artguy360 1,843 Posted May 24, 2018 Share Posted May 24, 2018 Yeah I'm listening to it now and I'm gonna say JW's memory is faulty in this case. The clearer association seems to be with the rebels. But what if he has always felt that it was the Falcon theme which would.again make Follow Me and The Falcon much more specific and not just "here's some SW musical nostalgia" for the fun of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,949 Posted May 24, 2018 Share Posted May 24, 2018 In fact, in the liner notes Williams calls it the "Rebel spaceship fanfare" in reference specifically to that ship, although he does use it later in the film as well. It is used a bit with the Millennium Falcon - once when it enters the Death Star, and again as it leaves it. More than scoring the Falcon, I believe Williams wanted to: Not make the boarding of the Death Star too forboding by preceding it with triumphant music. Book-ending the sequence, the results of which would come to serve the Rebellion. By the time Empire Strikes Back came around, the term "Rebel Fanfare" stuck, and it is used quite consistently with the rebellion. The most uncharacteristic uses come from Sailbarge assault and the attack on the second Death Star in Return of the Jedi, where it is less a result of an intentional thematic reference and more the result of Williams lifting wholesale pieces of earlier compositions. This is also why, again uncharacteristically, the underlying accompaniment figure occurs in those places separately to the actual fanfare (this is the so-called "action ostinato"). Outside of the end-credits, its not really used the prequels except an odd statement that R2D2 merits. So yes, I would say the choice to often (but not always) apply it to the Falcon in the sequel scores is incongorous with the rest of the series, but not completely out-of-character, both in terms of previous applications of this motif and in Williams general approach to using leitmotives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,355 Posted May 24, 2018 Share Posted May 24, 2018 8 hours ago, artguy360 said: I don't recall any major uses of it in ESB and I'm curious to revisit ROTJ later. It plays in counterpoint with Lando's theme in "Lando's Palace" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,347 Posted May 24, 2018 Author Share Posted May 24, 2018 And the destruction of the Imperial Walker! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tallguy 3,386 Posted May 24, 2018 Share Posted May 24, 2018 I hope I haven't mentioned this before. I was thrilled when Giacchino used the original Star Wars ending for the end of Rogue One rather than the concert version / Return of the Jedi version. At some point I realized that both endings are the Throne Room (as Fal noted). One is just more upbeat and (I think) more explicit a reference (the Jedi one). I'm on JWfan. You all know this. Then last summer I realized that what Fal calls the Throne Room Fanfare (development) is actually the first eight notes of the Main Title! So it bookends Star Wars! Does anyone else agree with me on this? (I saw a concert a couple of years ago where they played both the concert versions of the Main Title and The Throne Room. Both of them used the Jedi ending. I was bummed. I would have hoped with the same finale to both pieces they could have used Star Wars for one and Jedi for the other. Le sigh.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,347 Posted May 24, 2018 Author Share Posted May 24, 2018 1 minute ago, Tallguy said: Then last summer I realized that what Fal calls the Throne Room Fanfare (development) is actually the first eight notes of the Main Title! Hmmm, I called it that, because it seemed to be the same as the fanfare that opens The Throne Room, it could be the Main Title. Are you referring to the opening brass after the big crash? 2 minutes ago, Tallguy said: Both of them used the Jedi ending. I was bummed. I would have hoped with the same finale to both pieces they could have used Star Wars for one and Jedi for the other. Le sigh.) Well, the Jedi ending is actually from the 1978 concert arrangement, so of course they used it, Unfortunate as it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tallguy 3,386 Posted May 24, 2018 Share Posted May 24, 2018 20 minutes ago, Fal said: Hmmm, I called it that, because it seemed to be the same as the fanfare that opens The Throne Room, it could be the Main Title. Are you referring to the opening brass after the big crash? Well, the Jedi ending is actually from the 1978 concert arrangement, so of course they used it, Unfortunate as it is. Throne Room Fanfare is certainly more descriptive, I think. I think I'm including the "crash" as the first note. If you listen to take 20 of the main title it's a little more noticeable. I wish I had a better musical vocabulary for this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filmmusic 1,827 Posted May 24, 2018 Share Posted May 24, 2018 16 hours ago, artguy360 said: Interestingly, John Powell states in an interview that JW told him that he always intended the Rebel Fanfare to be a theme for the Falcon itself and that's how he approached using it. Suddenly, Follow Me and The Falcon from TFA make a lot more sense. Source? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artguy360 1,843 Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 5 hours ago, filmmusic said: Source? From this interview: http://www.filmmusicmag.com/?p=18764 filmmusic 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 I disagree entirely but whatever. They're popcorn space movies for adolescents anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demodex 557 Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 So now that Solo is out,can anyone point out the new themes on the soundtrack album? Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Falstaft 2,132 Posted May 28, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted May 28, 2018 20 hours ago, Demodex said: So now that Solo is out,can anyone point out the new themes on the soundtrack album? Thanks. Hi Demodex, I've updated my own little thematic catalog to include notation and links for the main themes from Solo, as well as Rogue One finally. With the exception of #8, all of these new themes get *real* workouts in terms of development in this film -- more, I'd wager than most of the new stuff in TLJ! Not sure of timings yet, and some of my metrical interpretations may be off, but it's a start... 1. Young Han Solo (Heroic) 2. Young Han Solo (Searching) 3. Secrets/Crimson Dawn (Definitely derived from the "Searching" motif but treated pretty independently in terms of rhythm, orchestration, affect throughout Solo) 4. Han & Q'ira 5. Han & Chewie 6. Beckett's Gang 7 .Enfys Nest 8. L-8/Droid Uprising There's some new incidental motifs in this movie too, plus plenty of references to previously established thematic materials (my favorite is the Imperial Troops reference in "Train Heist", and the obvious one that shows up during the surprise cameo at the end...) *Edited w/ change of name for #3 to reflect what Powell apparently called it. Leitmotif Catalogue -- Frank Lehman, 2018.pdf The Illustrious Jerry, Chen G. and Demodex 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demodex 557 Posted May 28, 2018 Share Posted May 28, 2018 Awesome! Thanks! Falstaft 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Falstaft 2,132 Posted August 28, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted August 28, 2018 Hi all, Just thought to let you know I've made a pretty major update to my leitmotif catalog, with improved formatting, a ton more links, and a whole new section on associative harmonic progressions. Enjoy! Star Wars Leitmotif Catalogue.pdf The Illustrious Jerry, Chen G., Bayesian and 5 others 4 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJA 19 Posted October 19, 2018 Share Posted October 19, 2018 Do you think that the part after 06:14 in 'The Battle Of Endor II' might be another appearance of the Dies Irae / Fate Motif? Could be a random coincidence, but it does make for interesting musical architecture if intentional. Regarding the Dies Irae appearances in AOTC and ROTS, aren't these pretty much all variants of the Across The Stars section first occurring after 2:26 in the concert track? Sort of an Anakin's fall motif embedded within the love theme, what with that love affair being one of his main catalysts for falling? It might be intentionally linked to the OT Dies Irae motif, indeed. If the above mentioned ROTJ appearance is indeed this destiny motif, the music in that scene basically describes Luke coming to see that he almost chose the "fate" of his father by giving into his anger during the duel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falstaft 2,132 Posted October 19, 2018 Share Posted October 19, 2018 2 hours ago, JJA said: Do you think that the part after 06:14 in 'The Battle Of Endor II' might be another appearance of the Dies Irae / Fate Motif? Could be a random coincidence, but it does make for interesting musical architecture if intentional. My feeling is probably not; sounds to me to be just an oscillating semitone, not enough to it to be even an accidental ref. to the Dies Irae. However, there are some pretty indisputable allusions in the Battle of Endor I (e.g. 7:23, 9:21). Quote Regarding the Dies Irae appearances in AOTC and ROTS, aren't these pretty much all variants of the Across The Stars section first occurring after 2:26 in the concert track? Sort of an Anakin's fall motif embedded within the love theme, what with that love affair being one of his main catalysts for falling? It might be intentionally linked to the OT Dies Irae motif, indeed. If the above mentioned ROTJ appearance is indeed this destiny motif, the music in that scene basically describes Luke coming to see that he almost chose the "fate" of his father by giving into his anger during the duel. I'm of the opinion that drawing motivic linkages between the middle section of Across the Stars and other parts of the score, particularly the Anakin's Descent stuff, is kind of overrated. Expressively, sure, it's dark, brooding, minor music, very much the same musical topic as what's heard during Anakin's confession. And there is an embedded 3-2-3-1 motion in the primary ATS theme (and developed prominently in that turbulent episode) -- that's a little whiff of the Dies Irae to be sure. But as far as the specific cue for the confession (and later Ep 3's lament), that sounds to me much more like a happy accident than a crafty allusion to ATS. I hesitate to call any of these Dies Irae-like moments leitmotivic, seeing as how Williams just seems to be fond of the melodic motion and inserts into lots and lots of his scores (CE3K, Presumed Innocent, Jurassic Park, Nixon, Sleepers, many, many more). That it crops up repeatedly in Star Wars is not dramatically insignificant, but I doubt it's part of some master compositional plan on JW's part. But who knows -- as far as I can tell, no interviewer has ever asked Williams about his fondness for that motif! Not Mr. Big 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Parker 3,040 Posted October 19, 2018 Share Posted October 19, 2018 6 minutes ago, Falstaft said: I'm of the opinion that drawing motivic linkages between the middle section of Across the Stars and other parts of the score, particularly the Anakin's Descent stuff, is kind of overrated. Expressively, sure, it's dark, brooding, minor music, very much the same musical topic as what's heard during Anakin's confession. And there is an embedded 3-2-3-1 motion in the primary ATS theme (and developed prominently in that turbulent episode) -- that's a little whiff of the Dies Irae to be sure. But as far as the specific cue for the confession (and later Ep 3's lament), that sounds to me much more like a happy accident than a crafty allusion to ATS. I hesitate to call any of these Dies Irae-like moments leitmotivic, seeing as how Williams just seems to be fond of the melodic motion and inserts into lots and lots of his scores (CE3K, Presumed Innocent, Jurassic Park, Nixon, Sleepers, many, many more). That it crops up repeatedly in Star Wars is not dramatically insignificant, but I doubt it's part of some master compositional plan on JW's part. But who knows -- as far as I can tell, no interviewer has ever asked Williams about his fondness for that motif! Dude you're my soulmate right now; I've made both cases on separate occasions over the past month! Falstaft 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJA 19 Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 Another observation: Isn't the "Leaving Mustafar" motif in The Immolation Scene merely a distorted version of the Force Theme? At least I never thought otherwise... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demodex 557 Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 I thought that motif was the Force theme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,313 Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 That's definitely just a deconstructed/incomplete rendition of the Force Theme, fittingly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,949 Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 On 10/20/2018 at 2:52 AM, Falstaft said: I hesitate to call any of these Dies Irae-like moments leitmotivic, seeing as how Williams just seems to be fond of the melodic motion and inserts into lots and lots of his scores (CE3K, Presumed Innocent, Jurassic Park, Nixon, Sleepers, many, many more). That it crops up repeatedly in Star Wars is not dramatically insignificant, but I doubt it's part of some master compositional plan on JW's part. But who knows -- as far as I can tell, no interviewer has ever asked Williams about his fondness for that motif! Exactly: it’s more part of Williams compositional style than it is a thematic device. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Parker 3,040 Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 7 minutes ago, Chen G. said: Exactly: it’s more part of Williams compositional style than it is a thematic device. Wait what? I thought you were saying just a day ago that this was a deliberate thematic device on Williams' part. Am I misunderstanding? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,949 Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 I’m talking about the Dies Irae gesture in these scores in general. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Popular Post artguy360 1,843 Posted October 25, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted October 25, 2018 I disagree with the thought that the March of the Resistance, played mournfully, should be considered Holdo's theme. To me it is simply the March of the Resistance played mournfully because that matches the emotional content of the scene it scores. I do agree that there is a rhythmic structure that is repeated in a couple places before Holdo's Sacrifice that kind of previews the big, climatic music accompanying Holdo's big moment. Holko, Bofur01, Nick Parker and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post The Illustrious Jerry 3,356 Posted October 27, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted October 27, 2018 Hello all, I've spent nearly all of this morning working on it, but here it is. Jerry decided to give a crack at a thematic breakdown for John Powell's Solo: A Star Wars Story. Bear with me, the timestamps may be a half-second to a second off, but the idea is there. I also penned some themes as variations. Technically they are all variations, but I refer to it as more of a "not-the-way-it-is-normally-presented" or "harder to recognize as to what it is" theme. I also have incomplete beside some themes, indicating that only part of the theme is used briefly. Again, bear with me. I gave it a shot. Just to clarify these are the new themes and the names I've given them: Major Themes Heroic Theme (Han's A Theme) Searching (Han's B Theme) Gang Theme Secrets/Crimson Dawn Theme (thanks @Falstaft) Chewie's Theme Enfys Nest (A & B Themes) L3's Theme Love Theme Minor Leitmotifs and Melodic Reoccurrences Droid Rebellion Motif (L3's B Theme) Rising/Falling Death Motif Crait Hurried Strings Returning Themes Rebel Fanfare/Millennium Falcon Main Star Wars Theme/Luke's Theme Imperial Fanfare/Death Star Motif Imperial Stormtrooper Motif Several Non-Thematic Original Trilogy Callbacks Solo: A Star Wars Story (OST) Music Composed by John Powell With a Theme and Original Star Wars Music by John Williams Additional Music by Batu Sener, James Gaither, Anthony Willis and Paul Mousney 1. The Adventures of Han (John Williams) (3:49) 0:15 Heroic Theme 0:37 Searching Theme 1:14 Crait Hurried Strings 1:40 Heroic Theme 2:25 Searching Theme 2:49 Heroic Theme 3:07 Searching Theme (variation) 2. Meet Han (2:20) 0:00 Secrets/Crimson Dawn Theme 0:12 Heroic Theme 0:48 Searching Theme 1:26 Searching Theme 1:37 Heroic Theme 1:50 Searching Theme (incomplete) 3. Corellia Chase (3:34) 0:05 Heroic Theme 0:27 Heroic Theme 0:48 Searching Theme (variation) 1:34 Heroic Theme 1:58 Searching Theme (variation) 2:44 Searching Theme (variation) (incomplete) 3:22 Searching Theme (variation) (incomplete) 4. Spaceport (4:07) 0:06 Searching Theme (variation) 0:14 Searching Theme 0:26 Searching Theme 0:47 Heroic Theme 1:57 Love Theme 2:43 Love Theme 3:17 Searching Theme 3:40 Secrets/Crimson Dawn Theme 5. Flying With Chewie (3:30) 0:40 Gang Theme 0:50 Imperial Stormtrooper Motif (incomplete) 0:58 Gang Theme 1:10 Chewie's Theme (incomplete) 1:22 Searching Theme (incomplete) 1:35 Heroic Theme 2:03 Chewie's Theme (incomplete) 2:15 Chewie's Theme 2:40 Chewie's Theme 6. Train Heist (4:48) 0:17 Heroic Theme (variation) 0:46 Heroic Theme (variation) 1:47 Gang Theme 1:55 Gang Theme 2:01 Gang Theme 2:09 Gang Theme 2:31 Gang Theme (variation) 2:54 Gang Theme 3:34 Imperial Stormtrooper Motif 3:55 Gang Theme 4:04 Imperial Stormtrooper Motif 4:11 Heroic Theme 4:24 Gang Theme 7. Marauders Arrive (5:15) 0:00 Enfys Nest A Theme 0:09 Enfys Nest A Theme 0:24 Enfys Nest B Theme 0:35 Enfys Nest B Theme 0:47 Enfys Nest A Theme 0:58 Enfys Nest A Theme 1:28 Heroic Theme 1:58 Heroic Theme 2:17 Enfys Nest B Theme 2:36 Enfys Nest A Theme (variation) 3:13 Gang Theme (variation) 3:27 Gang Theme (variation) 3:39 Rising/Falling Death Motif 4:08 Gang Theme 4:31 Gang Theme (incomplete) 4:34 Enfys Nest A Theme 8. Chicken in the Pot (2:09) No thematic material 9. Is This Seat Taken? (2:36) 0:11 Heroic Theme (incomplete) 0:27 Heroic Theme (incomplete) 0:36 Gang Theme 0:45 Enfys Nest A Theme 1:21 Heroic Theme (variation) 1:46 Heroic Theme (incomplete) 2:00 Rebel Fanfare/Millennium Falcon (incomplete variation) 10. L3 & Millennium Falcon (3:17) 0:04 L3 Theme 0:26 L3 Theme 1:39 Main Star Wars Theme/Luke's Theme (variation) 2:00 Rebel Fanfare/Millennium Falcon (variation) 2:27 Gang Theme (incomplete) 2:46 Enfys Nest A Theme 11. Lando's Closet (2:13) 0:19 Love Theme 0:54 Love Theme 1:05 Secrets/Crimson Dawn Theme 1:27 Love Theme 12. Mine Mission (4:11) 0:00 L3 Theme 0:25 L3 Theme 0:45 L3 Theme 0:50 Droid Rebellion/L3 B Theme 1:18 L3 Theme 1:30 Droid Rebellion/L3 B Theme 1:58 L3 Theme 2:04 Love Theme 2:17 Love Theme 2:27 Heroic Theme (incomplete) 2:32 L3 Theme 2:38 Droid Rebellion/L3 B Theme 2:57 L3 Theme (incomplete) 3:15 Droid Rebellion/L3 B Theme 3:22 Heroic Theme (incomplete) 13. Break Out (6:15) 0:12 L3 Theme (variation) 0:25 L3 Theme (incomplete) 0:31 Heroic Theme 0:44 Chewie's Theme 1:24 Heroic Theme 1:52 Heroic Theme 2:03 L3 Theme (variation) 2:12 Searching Theme 2:32 Gang Theme (variation) 2:47 Rising/Falling Death Motif 3:14 Heroic Theme (variation) 3:50 Gang Theme 4:11 L3 Theme 4:22 Rebel Fanfare/Millennium Falcon 4:35 Heroic Theme (incomplete) 4:38 Rebel Fanfare/Millennium Falcon 4:45 Heroic Theme (incomplete) 4:55 L3 Theme (variation) 5:28 Droid Rebellion/L3 B Theme (variation0 14. The Good Guy (5:25) 0:22 Love Theme 0:47 Secrets/Crimson Dawn Theme 1:12 Love Theme (variation) 1:38 Love Theme (variation) 1:51 Gang Theme 2:43 Heroic Theme 3:00 Secrets/Crimson Dawn Theme 3:20 Secrets/Crimson Dawn Theme 3:22 Love Theme 4:00 Secrets/Crimson Dawn Theme 4:55 Enfys Nest B Theme 15. Reminiscence Therapy (6:13) 0:02 Imperial Fanfare/Death Star Motif 0:07 Imperial Cruiser Pursuit Callback (ANH/SW'77) 0:27 Attacking a Star Destroyer Callback (ESB) 0:35 Heroic Theme 0:49 Rebel Fanfare/Millennium Falcon 1:11 L3 Theme 1:29 Rebel Fanfare/Millennium Falcon 1:42 Here They Come! Callback (ANH/SW'77) 1:56 Rebel Fanfare/Millennium Falcon 2:03 Here They Come! Callback (ANH/SW'77) cont'd 2:09 Rebel Fanfare/Millennium Falcon 2:16 Here They Come! Callback (ANH/SW'77) cont'd 2:29 The Asteroid Field Callback (ESB) 2:54 Chewie's Theme 3:15 Main Star Wars Theme/Luke's Theme 3:20 Rebel Fanfare/Millennium Falcon 3:24 The Asteroid Field Callback (ESB) cont'd 3:55 Heroic Theme 4:13 Heroic Theme 4:26 Crait Hurried Strings 4:35 Rebel Fanfare/Millennium Falcon 4:44 Main Star Wars Theme/Luke's Theme 4:47 The Asteroid Field Callback (ESB) cont'd 5:23 L3 Theme 16. Into the Maw (4:49) 1:07 Heroic Theme (incomplete) 1:17 Heroic Theme (incomplete) 1:21 L3 Theme 1:34 Rebel Fanfare/Millennium Falcon (incomplete) 1:38 Gang Theme 1:43 L3 Theme (incomplete) 1:53 Heroic Theme (incomplete) 2:14 Gang Theme 2:30 Chewie's Theme (incomplete variation) 2:57 Gang Theme (incomplete) 3:47 Main Star Wars Theme/Luke's Theme 3:53 Rebel Fanfare/Millennium Falcon 3:58 Heroic Theme 4:08 Main Star Wars Theme/Luke's Theme 4:20 Rebel Fanfare/Millennium Falcon 4:37 Rebel Fanfare/Millennium Falcon (variation) 17. Savareen Stand-Off (4:26) 0:33 Enfys Nest A Theme 0:54 Enfys Nest A Theme 1:21 Rebel Fanfare/Millennium Falcon (incomplete variation) 2:30 Enfys Nest A Theme 3:01 Enfys Nest A Theme 3:19 Secrets/Crimson Dawn Theme 3:34 Chewie's Theme (incomplete) 3:46 Love Theme (variation) 4:04 Heroic Theme (incomplete) 18. Good Thing You Were Listening (2:08) 0:53 Secrets/Crimson Dawn Theme 1:17 Love Theme 1:46 Chewie's Theme 19. Testing Allegiance (4:21) 0:21 Gang Theme 1:46 Heroic Theme 2:13 Love Theme 2:37 Love Theme 3:28 Love Theme (incomplete) 3:45 Secrets/Crimson Dawn Theme 3:53 Secrets/Crimson Dawn Theme 20. Dice & Roll (1:55) 0:57 Rebel Fanfare/Millennium Falcon (variation) 1:11 Rebel Fanfare/Millennium Falcon 1:19 Searching Theme (variation) 1:32 Heroic Theme 1:46 Rebel Fanfare/Millennium Falcon (variation) Again, bear with me on the timestamps and the indications, but here's my thematic breakdown. Feel free to quote and add corrections. -Jerry SteveMc, Falstaft, SingeMoisi and 6 others 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,480 Posted October 28, 2018 Share Posted October 28, 2018 Great work Jerry, honestly I’m totally unable to analyze music that way. And I’m a musician (well... I was in another life!) But for me music remains magic... I simply refuse to analyze it, but I appreciate people who can do it. It shows that behind the « magic « there is complex constructions, made of themes, variations, changes of keys, tones, intrumentations, tempo, etc. I have a more organic approach to music I think. The Illustrious Jerry 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Illustrious Jerry 3,356 Posted October 28, 2018 Share Posted October 28, 2018 1 minute ago, Bespin said: Great work Jerry, honestly I’m totally unable to analyze music that way. And I’m a musician (well... I was in another life!) But for me music remains magic... I simply refuse to analyze it, but I appreciate people who can do it. It shows that behind the « magic « there is a complex constructions, made of themes, variations, change of tone, tempo, etc. I have a more organic approach to music I think. Yes, I too have a more organic approach, simplistic, simply embracing the sound. But I also recognize the power of themes and motifs. What brought me to actually do a breakdown of this score was simply for others and because it was packed with thematic material, which is often confusing. Thanks for your appreciation. Bespin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelliwisethebrave 54 Posted October 28, 2018 Share Posted October 28, 2018 9 hours ago, The Illustrious Jerry said: .... 17. Savareen Stand-Off (4:26) 0:33 Enfys Nest A Theme 0:54 Enfys Nest A Theme 1:21 Rebel Fanfare/Millennium Falcon (incomplete variation) 2:30 Enfys Nest A Theme 3:01 Enfys Nest A Theme 3:19 Secrets/Crimson Dawn Theme 3:34 Chewie's Theme (incomplete) 3:46 Love Theme (variation) 4:04 Heroic Theme (incomplete) ..... I would add that at around 2:50 of Savareen Stand-Off the first few notes of the March of the Resistance are played. What do you think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demodex 557 Posted October 28, 2018 Share Posted October 28, 2018 What does Crait Hurried Strings mean/represent? I thought Crait was the planet in TLJ. Also, I forget which track but I know I've heard Gollum's theme near the end of one of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Illustrious Jerry 3,356 Posted October 28, 2018 Share Posted October 28, 2018 11 hours ago, Demodex said: What does Crait Hurried Strings mean/represent? I thought Crait was the planet in TLJ. Crait Hurried Strings is the name I gave to this segment of the Adventures of Han suite which is reminiscent of this from The Last Jedi Battle of Crait. 13 hours ago, kelliwisethebrave said: I would add that at around 2:50 of Savareen Stand-Off the first few notes of the March of the Resistance are played. What do you think? I feel like that might be a little irrelevant, especially considering that L3's theme often evokes that sound. I'll take a look. 11 hours ago, Demodex said: Also, I forget which track but I know I've heard Gollum's theme near the end of one of them. That doesn't count! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demodex 557 Posted October 28, 2018 Share Posted October 28, 2018 1 hour ago, The Illustrious Jerry said: Crait Hurried Strings is the name I gave to this segment of the Adventures of Han suite which is reminiscent of this from The Last Jedi Battle of Crait. Damn, that is pretty similar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bofur01 245 Posted October 28, 2018 Share Posted October 28, 2018 3:15 in Corellia Chase is Luke's theme 4:08 in Marauders Arrive is Chewie's theme, right? And you're missing the Coaxium motif at 2:46 in Train Heist, 5:41 in Break Out, and 0:32 in Dice & Roll The Illustrious Jerry 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Illustrious Jerry 3,356 Posted October 28, 2018 Share Posted October 28, 2018 42 minutes ago, Bofur01 said: 3:15 in Corellia Chase is Luke's theme 4:08 in Marauders Arrive is Chewie's theme, right? And you're missing the Coaxium motif at 2:46 in Train Heist, 5:41 in Break Out, and 0:32 in Dice & Roll Will check. Stand by. I wasn't sure about a coaxium motif. 54 minutes ago, Demodex said: Damn, that is pretty similar. Yep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelliwisethebrave 54 Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 Quote I feel like that might be a little irrelevant, especially considering that L3's theme often evokes that sound. I'll take a look. Back when the movie first came out I saw people connecting Enfys Nest saying "until finally the people resisted..." (1:41:44 in the movie) with those notes from the March of the Resistance being played. If it's similar to L3's theme that could also make sense as she was the one who started the droid rebellion. I think either would make for an interesting hypothesis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bofur01 245 Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 I thought that could just be a couple of notes building to the Crimson Dawn motif Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJA 19 Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 Another observation: is the 0:24-0:37 section of "Return to Tatooine" in AOTC supposed to be a motif representing Anakin's childhood memories? In the film I clearly remember that section also playing when Anakin re-encounters Jar Jar at the start of the film (or at least, at some point during that whole scene). Or was that part tracked there from "Return to Tatooine"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demodex 557 Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 Is that the motif that plays at the beginning of the Padme packing suitcases scene? I think the same one plays at the beginning of their scene on the refugee transport ship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tallguy 3,386 Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 I don't recall if I've mentioned this here or not. I'm working on a kind of isolated score for the OT. (It's not an iso score per se because I'm making small videos that can be watched in a playlist rather than the entire film with dead air where there's no music.) I had the idea of adding captions that will identify the theme or motif that is being played. I might also add material from various liner notes. I'll see. It's a work in progress. Anyway, aside from my own knowledge I'll be leaning on this thread heavily. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,344 Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 Hope you guys are able to find any thematic material in these scores! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveMc 2,674 Posted November 9, 2018 Share Posted November 9, 2018 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,313 Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 Hey @Falstaft, do you believe there's a motivic connection between these two moments? The latter is especially prominent but it doesn't seem like an excerpt from an existing theme. EDIT: this was probably the wrong thread to post this in EDIT 2: Thanks @Jay, much better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,355 Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 Faleel calls the bit in your second video the Anakin/Schmi theme in the main post here Falstaft 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post crumbs 14,313 Posted June 4, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted June 4, 2020 On 10/28/2018 at 3:39 PM, kelliwisethebrave said: I would add that at around 2:50 of Savareen Stand-Off the first few notes of the March of the Resistance are played. What do you think? This was bugging me too, so I finally decided to check what that moment underscored. 100% not coincidental! The first few notes of the Resistance theme begin once Enfys Nest finishes saying, "they kept coming back, taking more, so finally the people resisted." Another easter egg from Powell, clever guy! BrotherSound, Falstaft, kelliwisethebrave and 1 other 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,355 Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 Heh, that's pretty cool! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,313 Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 0:22 here: jurassicjello · Enfys Nest Speech Looks like this one's already been noted in Frank's catalogue 26 minutes ago, Jay said: Faleel calls the bit in your second video the Anakin/Schmi theme in the main post here Certainly gives that motif/idea an unsettling context for the earlier appearance, considering it underscores Palpatine grooming Anakin. If I had to draw a connection, Palpatine becomes Anakin's father figure in his mother's absence (which is only solidified after her death). But where this music feels solemn and tender in the latter appearance, the trumpet version is cold and unsettling. Falstaft 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post crumbs 14,313 Posted July 3, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted July 3, 2020 Hey @Falstaft, has anyone identified that the Sith Dagger has its own motif that appears no less than 3 times in the film? We have one appearance on the FYC (0:13 of 5M03 Hallway Shooting): Turns out the same motif (prefaced with additional notes) appears twice more, in 3M07 Ochi and the Dagger and 5M05 Rey Sees Mother. Both are during instances where Rey picks up the Sith dagger. 0:48 in 3M07: jurassicjello · 3M07 Ochi And The Dagger 0:38 (and barely audible) in 5M05: jurassicjello · 5M05 Rey Sees Mother Note that the motif is actually longer in the other two cues than its appearance in Hallway Shooting. Here's a supercut of all 3 appearances: Chewy, Jay and Holko 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falstaft 2,132 Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 3 hours ago, crumbs said: Hey @Falstaft, has anyone identified that the Sith Dagger has its own motif that appears no less than 3 times in the film? Yep! And the footnote: "The Sith Artifact motif is more of a cluster of related themes than an autonomous motif. The first idea relates more to the Wayfinder artifact; the second idea to the Dagger. Both are marked by a polychordal oscillation of semitonally related minor triads. They share a family resemblance with TFA's Map motif." I debated whether to list the Wayfinder and Dagger motifs as seperate or not, and as you can see ultimately opted to split the difference and place them side-by-side. But an additional explanatory note is probably warranted, and I'll provide it in a future update. Fabulin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stravinsky 206 Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 Is the complete score of The Rise of Skywalker available on Soundcloud? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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