Damien F 1,742 Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 It's not bad, but it feels redundant after the earlier action cues.Well that makes sense because that whole scene is redundant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 Indeed, which is why I defend Williams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,312 Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 An easy way for the OST to be better would be if he dropped The Rathtars (since its similar enough to Follow Me and The Falcon) and instead included the cue for the Resistance arriving on Maz's planet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lockdown 238 Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 Wouldn't Scherzo for X-Wings be another concert suite?http://www.jwfan.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=25881&p=1202870I felt that the cue name would give it away as being some sort of suite..The definition of scherzo: a vigorous, light, or playful composition, typically comprising a movement in a symphony or sonata.I believe the End Credits in the film was very different than Finale on the OST. It should be pretty feasible to rip it from the film when the time comes, even The Jedi Steps. Would be nice to have the film version. Been checking Disney's FYC site every hour to see when they update their music page for The Force Awakens. Can't wait. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 An easy way for the OST to be better would be if he dropped The Rathtars (since its similar enough to Follow Me and The Falcon) and instead included the cue for the Resistance arriving on Maz's planetOr just edited a new version that combined them into an awesome album suite. The OST doesn't have any of those, does it? It seems like all the recordings are intact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,312 Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 Yes I know, it is indeed definitely a concert arrangement, but the first minute or so is similar to the film cue. Hence why Williams placed it there on the OST. But yes, technically, its a concert arrangement, just based on a film cue, kinda like The Forest Battle. Anwyays, "Scherzo for Motorcycle and Orchestra" is a film cue. Album names in and of themselves don't tell you anything, especially by Williams. An easy way for the OST to be better would be if he dropped The Rathtars (since its similar enough to Follow Me and The Falcon) and instead included the cue for the Resistance arriving on Maz's planet Or just edited a new version that combined them into an awesome album suite. The OST doesn't have any of those, does it? It seems like all the recordings are intact. Several album tracks contain 2 different cues in them, but they seem to always be 2 cues that play back to back in the film anyway (see The Scavenger and Han and Leia). I guess he chose to put the March of the Resistance concert arrangement on there instead of a suite of film cues that use that theme Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lockdown 238 Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 True, I guess so, I am not a very active listener of Williams' music. Sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damien F 1,742 Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 An easy way for the OST to be better would be if he dropped The Rathtars (since its similar enough to Follow Me and The Falcon) and instead included the cue for the Resistance arriving on Maz's planetOr just edited a new version that combined them into an awesome album suite. The OST doesn't have any of those, does it? It seems like all the recordings are intact.Poe and his X-Wings arriving at Maz's place combined with the Falcon crash landing on the snowy cliff could have made for a great combined action cue containing the march, Poe's theme and the Rebel (Falcon) fanfare. It would have been about 2 minutes, although it wouldn't have been chronological. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,312 Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 I guess the point is its hard to have an authoritative breakdown of the music the very next day after the album and film have been released. Give it time.An easy way for the OST to be better would be if he dropped The Rathtars (since its similar enough to Follow Me and The Falcon) and instead included the cue for the Resistance arriving on Maz's planet Or just edited a new version that combined them into an awesome album suite. The OST doesn't have any of those, does it? It seems like all the recordings are intact. Poe and his X-Wings arriving at Maz's place combined with the Falcon crash landing on the snowy cliff could have made for a great combined action cue containing the march, Poe's theme and the Rebel (Falcon) fanfare. It would have been about 2 minutes, although it wouldn't have been chronological.Yea, exactly. That would have been cool if he did that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damien F 1,742 Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 I still think it is extraordinary that a Star Wars OST has only a two or three minutes of highlights from the movie missing. I definitely wouldn't have predicted that given our experiences with the prequels.Now there are probably some gems hidden away in the hour or so of recorded music not used in either album or movie, but not having those isn't as painful as hearing great music in the movie that isn't on the OST. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,312 Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 Oh I think it IS more "paintful" (not the word I would use) At least we'll get what we'll hear in the film via BD rips, if not an FYC release We don't even KNOW what's in that hour of unheard score! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,626 Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 RotS has soooo much great unreleased music Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 Well, the original Star Wars was a perfect OST. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,626 Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 Almost no unreleased music Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 Well, the original Star Wars was a perfect OST.So was TPM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 So is TFA, really. A. A. Ron 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,626 Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 Well, the original Star Wars was a perfect OST.So was TPM. I hated the TPM OST the first time I saw the film...which led me to the original JWfan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chinaismine 64 Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 So, what's the chronological order? And could anyone tell the cue titles of 1m1A in the 60 minutes featurette on YouTube?It's hard to tell due to the low resolution, but the best I can make out is "Opening | Starry Night". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 What about before you saw it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,626 Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 I "felt" half the score was missing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taikomochi 1,136 Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 Can anyone comment if there seems to be any thematic content in the opening, soft-stringed part of "Torn Apart," specifically the first two minutes? That seemed like an excellent opportunity to do variations on some of the themes, but it seems to be athematic. Perhaps I am mistaken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damien F 1,742 Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 I "felt" half the score was missingSearch your feelings. You know it to be true! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 I don't think we need an expansion of TFA. We essentially have the complete listenable score on CD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,626 Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 I still have to make a more complete assessment of that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 You've already basically disowned the score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,626 Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 not yet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damien F 1,742 Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 If the album had Poe and his X-Wings arriving at Maz's place and the Falcon crash landing, I'd be 100% satisfied with it as a representation of what is heard in the film. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,626 Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 hopefully those are on the FYC album Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 Track 7 sounds like something from TOD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 Yeah and the performance/recording reminds me a lot of TOD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 T-Rex Rescue and Finale is basically an entire action track build around the carnivore motif.Sure, but there's a heck of a lot more than the raptors motif going on in that cue. An unchanging discordant 4 note phrase repeated sporadically for 7 minutes doesn't put T-Rex Rescue and Finale in anywhere near the same ballpark as something like Abandoned and Pursued, The Hunt, or The Asteroid Field - cues which have a strong overarching harmonic narrative. Simply put: T-Rex Rescue and Finale NEVER sounds like a concert arrangement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,233 Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 I agree Steef, though I might be one of the few here who liked some of the eclectic elements of the prequels.It's a very bare-bones SW score, but a fully functional one nonetheless, much like the later Goldsmith output, as Chaac mentioned.It's sparse but not quite late Goldsmith sparse. There's an unusual (for Williams) sonic "patina" to this music. The string/brass predominance is definite and gives the whole thing a unique sort of atmosphere. 21st century baroque? And yet there's a lot of isolated color, very subtle stuff. Orchestrated in many ways differently than you would expect from him. There's real freshness in that aspect at least, even if compositionally there's nothing that out of the ordinary.Today it really hit home how well performed the score is. So many wonderful little moments that are played to perfection.It doesnt sound like the LSO, but it doesnt have to. This is just marvellously played.Well duh! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muad'Dib 1,801 Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 Can anyone comment if there seems to be any thematic content in the opening, soft-stringed part of "Torn Apart," specifically the first two minutes? That seemed like an excellent opportunity to do variations on some of the themes, but it seems to be athematic. Perhaps I am mistaken.I wanna know this too. Don't you die on me, Taiko! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeallen01 2,133 Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 Me too and the descending section from 2:12, which also appears in 'The Starkiller' too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewy 2,381 Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 I just noticed that there is something very similar between "Torn Apart" 1:28 and "Anakin Dark Deeds" (from ROTS) 3:47 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,674 Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 hopefully those are on the FYC albumWhen has a Williams FYC ever contained unreleased cues? (not counting A.I., which I believe I read was a manufacturing error)Best we can hope for is a War Horse situation, where we get film takes of each cue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,312 Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 The last four Williams FYCs in a row all contained unreleased cues.Tintin, War Horse, Lincoln, and Book Thief. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 BOOM!Powned! crumbs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,312 Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 I am hopeful that the TFA FYC will follow the same pattern. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 Loving the fugue part of The Resistance March right now! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pro-arte 22 Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 The Resistance March reminds me the fugue part of Walton's "Spitfire prelude and fugue" and a bit of the german motif on IJTLC, anyway, I finally enjoy the CD, I am awaiting the expended/complete release Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 It has a definite WWII "music for killing Nazi's vibe to it"That melody in 1:46 - 1:55 is wonderfully heroic! In many other scores that would be a main theme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 In a Giacchino score that melody would be halved in development and used to carry the entire movie.And people on here would create threads about how fantastic it is, and how he's great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 Urgh.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 Has anyone programmed the 20th Century Fox Fanfare at the beginning of their TFA playlist? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damien F 1,742 Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 From Torn Apart to the end is absolute gold. crumbs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 Has anyone programmed the 20th Century Fox Fanfare at the beginning of their TFA playlist?No. They didn't produce the film. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,301 Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 Can't. Stop. Listening. Joni Wiljami and Taikomochi 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 Mad Max: Fury Road the film, The Force Awakens the score.2015 FUCK YEAH! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 From Torn Apart to the end is absolute gold.The whole track is brilliant! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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