Jilal 569 Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 Although I think it should go to another thread with "celebrities talking about Williams" or something similar I will post it here because it fits perfectly.What Conrad Pope thinks about the OST? Find out!https://www.facebook.com/conrad.pope/posts/10207505550589853?pnref=storyThe Pope seems to be slightly overreacting, these days, considering his seemingly endless praise for the likes of Williams and blatant dismissal of anyone not quite fitting into that category of composers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 Really enjoying the dramatic build up which starts 1:29 in Torn Apart. The phrasing of those tortured lines is superb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 6 hours ago, Alexander said: Although I think it should go to another thread with "celebrities talking about Williams" or something similar I will post it here because it fits perfectly. What Conrad Pope thinks about the OST? Find out! https://www.facebook.com/conrad.pope/posts/10207505550589853?pnref=story The Pope seems to be slightly overreacting, these days, considering his seemingly endless praise for the likes of Williams and blatant dismissal of anyone not quite fitting into that category of composers. Well, then he's no different than most JWFANers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 I completely agree with Pope! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 Me too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McAwesome 1 Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 I've seen quite a few people complaining about the recording sound being too dry as compared to the ones from the prequels, saying they prefer those recordings in terms of sound quality. Am I the only one who thinks otherwise? I prefer much more TFA in terms of mastering and sound quality. The prequels sound way too wet for my taste, especially when it comes to film music. I find TFA sound quality just superb, way better than the prequels, and also warmer and more organic. In my opinion Shawn Murphy took a step forward and not back in terms of sound engineering for this one. I'm referring to the CD album. I don't know about hi-res flac album. Just my thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,355 Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 I think the SOUND of the TFA OST is spectacular! It was recorded, mixed, and mastered very well. I can hear every instrument and nothing is ever muddled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 2 minutes ago, McAwesome said: I've seen quite a few people complaining about the recording sound being too dry as compared to the ones from the prequels, saying they prefer those recordings in terms of sound quality. Am I the only one who thinks otherwise? I prefer much more TFA in terms of mastering and sound quality. The prequels sound way too wet for my taste, especially when it comes to film music. I find TFA sound quality just superb, way better than the prequels, and also warmer and more organic. In my opinion Shawn Murphy took a step forward and not back in terms of sound engineering for this one. I'm speaking for the CD edition. I don't know about hi-res flac edition. Just my thought. People here seem to unanimously like it. It's one of the best sounding scores of recent years IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,355 Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 Between this OST and the Mission Impossible 5 OST, we've had a great come-back of well-recorded orchestral scores after a lot of muddled ones in recent years (Hobbit 3 and all the Wallin-Giacchino scores come to mind) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loert 2,511 Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 9 minutes ago, McAwesome said: I've seen quite a few people complaining about the recording sound being too dry as compared to the ones from the prequels, saying they prefer those recordings in terms of sound quality. Am I the only one who thinks otherwise? I like it much more how TFA sounds. The prequels sound way too wet for my taste, especially when it comes to film music. I find TFA sound quality just superb, way better than the prequels, and also warmer and more organic. In my opinion Shawn Murphy took a step forward and not back in terms of sound engineering for this one. I'm speaking for the CD edition. I don't know about hi-res flac edition. Just my thought. I was only slightly put off the Main Titles at the beginning, but now I think it's just as good as the Main Titles in the prequel recordings, just with a different mixing 'spin' put on it (in particular, the trumpets are quite brash here). As for the rest of the album, it's perfect. Not only is the sound quality and performance of the orchestra impeccable, but the album flows really well, almost as if it was one extended symphonic movement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McAwesome 1 Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 Yeah, many of the Giacchino scores are at odds with TFA sound quality-wise Spoiler and then some 7 minutes ago, loert423 said: I was only slightly put off the Main Titles at the beginning, but now I think it's just as good as the Main Titles in the prequel recordings, just with a different mixing 'spin' put on it (in particular, the trumpets are quite brash here). As for the rest of the album, it's perfect. Not only is the sound quality and performance of the orchestra impeccable, but the album flows really well, almost as if it was one extended symphonic movement. I totally concur. Didn't miss LSO for one second. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 8 hours ago, Alexander said: The Pope seems to be slightly overreacting, these days, considering his seemingly endless praise for the likes of Williams and blatant dismissal of anyone not quite fitting into that category of composers. When it comes to Williams or Desplat, Pope's enthusiasm is boundless, sometimes amusingly so. It's to be expected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,355 Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 Um, guys? I'm listening to the OST now for the first time since seeing the film, and I'm LOVING IT more than ever. There's such a grand, sweeping feel to stuff like "The Abduction" that I just love! And man, does that Force Theme statement in the beginning of "The Ways Of The Force" kick ass! I can't believe JJ thought it was better to re-use Burning Homestead instead of this music! March of the Resistance.... love that track more than ever. This is a classic Williams theme, and a classic Williams concert arrangement! The new versions of Rebel Fanfare all sound great, too. There's a lot to love in this score! mbrannon47 and Damien F 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will Tasker 21 Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 1 hour ago, McAwesome said: I've seen quite a few people complaining about the recording sound being too dry as compared to the ones from the prequels, saying they prefer those recordings in terms of sound quality. Am I the only one who thinks otherwise? I prefer much more TFA in terms of mastering and sound quality. The prequels sound way too wet for my taste, especially when it comes to film music. I find TFA sound quality just superb, way better than the prequels, and also warmer and more organic. In my opinion Shawn Murphy took a step forward and not back in terms of sound engineering for this one. I'm referring to the CD album. I don't know about hi-res flac album. Just my thought. While I prefer the performance of the LSO - personal tastes, mind you, the LA players are amazing and did an A+ job, theres simply a different style between the two and I prefer the other - I have to admit that this is the best sounding Star Wars score recorded by Johnny so far. The details are incredible. That reminds me: Does anyone here know the principal trumpet on this Episode VII score? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 53 minutes ago, Jay said: Um, guys? I'm listening to the OST now for the first time since seeing the film, and I'm LOVING IT more than ever. There's such a grand, sweeping feel to stuff like "The Abduction" that I just love! And man, does that Force Theme statement in the beginning of "The Ways Of The Force" kick ass! I can't believe JJ thought it was better to re-use Burning Homestead instead of this music! March of the Resistance.... love that track more than ever. This is a classic Williams theme, and a classic Williams concert arrangement! The new versions of Rebel Fanfare all sound great, too. There's a lot to love in this score! It is simply stunning! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taikomochi 1,136 Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 53 minutes ago, Jay said: Um, guys? I'm listening to the OST now for the first time since seeing the film, and I'm LOVING IT more than ever. There's such a grand, sweeping feel to stuff like "The Abduction" that I just love! And man, does that Force Theme statement in the beginning of "The Ways Of The Force" kick ass! I can't believe JJ thought it was better to re-use Burning Homestead instead of this music! March of the Resistance.... love that track more than ever. This is a classic Williams theme, and a classic Williams concert arrangement! The new versions of Rebel Fanfare all sound great, too. There's a lot to love in this score! After your "meh" reaction to the score in film the other day, this is reassuring. mbrannon47 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 He was younger then. Misguided! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,355 Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 My first viewing of the film, I was taking in the film itself - the plot, the characters, the atmosphere, everything. I was not sitting there intently listening to the music, because in doing so I wouldn't be focusing on what the film was doing. Of course, there are plenty of times when watching a film that you cannot help but notice the score. However, for me, the score in the film didn't offer any stand-out moments that made me really notice the score. It was much more "in the background" than the previous Star Wars scores. In fact, the times it did stand out were usually when something was "off"... for example, there was some really busy writing in a few spots early on, when not much was happening on the screen (like it was just showing some ships flying away, but the music was going a mile a minute), or like the Burning Homestead quote. Anyways, on album the music is great! TownerFan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 You will notice it a hell of a lot more on your next viewing. Really digging the fact that this album is mostly chronological! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 As of right now, I think this might have my favorite after-crawl cue. Taikomochi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romão 2,274 Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 I think so too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loert 2,511 Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 Those horns were EPIC!!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taikomochi 1,136 Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 23 minutes ago, Jay said: My first viewing of the film, I was taking in the film itself - the plot, the characters, the atmosphere, everything. I was not sitting there intently listening to the music, because in doing so I wouldn't be focusing on what the film was doing. Of course, there are plenty of times when watching a film that you cannot help but notice the score. However, for me, the score in the film didn't offer any stand-out moments that made me really notice the score. It was much more "in the background" than the previous Star Wars scores. In fact, the times it did stand out were usually when something was "off"... for example, there was some really busy writing in a few spots early on, when not much was happening on the screen (like it was just showing some ships flying away, but the music was going a mile a minute), or like the Burning Homestead quote. Anyways, on album the music is great! I was pretty surprised by how much the score stood out to me in first viewing, considering the comments of many here as well as those of Star Wars fans. Admittedly, I had heard the album quite a few times at that point, but it seemed one of the standout elements of the film, either way, even if it is perhaps the most conservative SW score. The moments featuring Rey's theme, the March, or Scherzo were all standout. Even my brother, who doesn't listen to film scores, occasionally nudged my elbow to indicate he was particularly digging the score. But my experience seems to be the minority... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damien F 1,742 Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 The almost fully chronological order of the album surprised me too but it really enhances the listening experience in regards to the development of Rey' theme, and I think JW knew this. Placing a cue like The Ways of The Force near the beginning of the album would have spoiled the journey her theme goes on. I can't think of any other score in recent memory, JW or otherwise, where so many people went from "meh" to "it is great!" (myself included). Not Mr. Big 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,355 Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 Yup, I can't recall a score that was such a "grower" like this one in quite a while Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeallen01 2,136 Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 43 minutes ago, Jay said: Yup, I can't recall a score that was such a "grower" like this one in quite a while Completely agree. A grower describes this score well. It grows in enjoyment and subtlety with each listen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 Never seem the word "grower" as much as this week. John Williams is a grower, not a shower! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taikomochi 1,136 Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 I have never seen a John Williams score so oft compared to genitalia. The word is changing for the better! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damien F 1,742 Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 Jon Broxton over at MovieMusicUK declared the score to be his favourite from 2015. He doesn't do star rating but I'd imagine he'd give it 5 if he did. Here is his review: http://moviemusicuk.us/2015/12/21/star-wars-the-force-awakens-john-williams/ Taikomochi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,286 Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 27 minutes ago, Taikomochi said: I have never seen a John Williams score so oft compared to genitalia. The word is changing for the better! John Williams rises. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick1Ø66 4,714 Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 I'm a little surprised at the relative lack of love this score seems to be getting. It's instantly connected with me in a way the Prequel scores, and The Hobbit scores, haven't. As someone who has spent a fair amount of time lurking this board, I think many of you are better than I am at separating the music from film itself. I've found that, no matter how much I may be able to appreciate a score on its own merits, there's a limit to how much I'll revisit the music if I haven't connected to the film on a certain level (as I have with this film). Is there any word on an expanded edition? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,355 Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 I think if you read this thread you'll find LOTS of members love this score - far more than that don't like it! Nick1Ø66 and Taikomochi 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 Indeed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,286 Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 It's definitely growing in esteem on here, but perhaps that's par for the course now that the first impressions are over with and we're actually digging into it. Maybe soon enough we'll uncover all it has to give and it'll fall off again within a year. I doubt it, but who knows. A lot of the stuff I'm reading online just compares it to the originals and especially the prequels, wishing there was more epic music and choir, wishing for a recording and performance that sounded more like those. Even on here, or maybe especially on here, people went to each track looking for something in particular. I did too. It's hard to be open-minded about a Star Wars soundtrack. "It sounds smaller" seems to be the prevailing criticism everywhere. People are underwhelmed. But it's kind of shocking how it's become such a common thread for people to say their thoughts are improving on it, and exponentially so. I don't mean to pick on Jay at all but it's amazing how March of the Resistance went from "Definitely one of my least favorite tracks on the album" to "This is a classic Williams theme, and a classic Williams concert arrangement!" in like, what, five days? I only mention that because I too thought it was a slight mess of a track at first with not much of a real tune going on there and not much fun to follow along. I thought I wouldn't care to listen to it much...but then I listened again, and then again, and suddenly it opened up. It was like I was hearing the melody for the first time. I found it weirdly inaccessible on the very first listen but now I think it's just fantastic. I dunno what's going on with that, if anything. I feel like there's something there to analyze. I do think Williams made some choices -- lighter propulsive action music, softer in emotion and thematic development, greater emphasis on rhythm than melody all-around -- that took some getting used to for us all who expect the highlights of a Star Wars soundtrack to be a certain way. But the themes are there, both anthemic and emotional. There are central and secondary motifs as well which we are all still organizing and that will only refine further after the film's home release. The energy is there. The careful integration of old material is there (though occasionally head-scratching...as usual!). Repetition, variety, the big moments, the old similarities. The control of his art is all there. It feels the same but different. He brought many new and unexpected colors, not merely in instrumentation but in the overall approach too. In some respects John Williams wrote a different kind of Star Wars score than we've heard previously. And I love him for it. Taikomochi and Loert 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,355 Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 I amazed by my turnaround on that track, too! Just shows how amazing Williams is, I guess! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,286 Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 There's something very tricky about it both melodically and rhythmically that I think is throwing people off. Throw in the fugal structure and it's like, ehh, what the hell is this? But once you figure it out it's like, holy shit this is so much fun. Damien F 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveMc 2,674 Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 Hey, I liked the March from the beginning. The score is different, but it is also distinctive. And the soundtrack album meshes together remarkably well. I hope John's "renewed vitality and energy" will be felt in upcoming scores and concert works. mrbellamy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 18 minutes ago, mrbellamy said: There's something very tricky about it both melodically and rhythmically that I think is throwing people off. Throw in the fugal structure and it's like, ehh, what the hell is this? But once you figure it out it's like, holy shit this is so much fun. I think Quintus was the first to appreciate it's qualities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Score 770 Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 It's a great score, guys. It caught many of us (including myself) by surprise from many points of view at the first listen, but it is now clear to me that it is a masterpiece. There is gold even in the FYC tracks that were not released on the CD. This has definitely been the most unusual JW experience for me. I am now entering the "enthusiast" phase. What do you think about the "Starkiller" cue? I think it's gorgeous and its central part with only middle and high - register strings, combined with the movie scene that it underscores, is one of the most moving combinations of movie and music that I have seen in the last decade. It's much better than the cue underscoring the destruction of Alderaan in Star Wars, and I find it much more effective than "Lament" from ROTS, to mention two cues which have a similar topic or mood. Joni Wiljami 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taikomochi 1,136 Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 This is a major work from Williams, it is becoming apparent. mrbellamy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McAwesome 1 Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 1 hour ago, mrbellamy said: He brought many new and unexpected colors, not merely in instrumentation but in the overall approach too. In some respects John Williams wrote a different kind of Star Wars score than we've heard previously. And I love him for it. Yeah me too. I was a bit tired of the prequels sound (not episode 1, which I musically love in its majority, but episode 2 and 3, apart from Across the stars and Battle of the Heroes). For me, the scores for episode 2 and 3 sound so....soulless, as if the Maestro had to write to a green screen... Oh, wait! The acting, the script... everything in the prequels is so lifeless, fake, cold, aseptic, charmless, uninspired... that I guess it was inevitable that part of that mess translated into the score. But now it's different. I knew episode VII would be all that the prequels weren't by just listening to TFA album for the first time, I can tell you that. It overflows soul, charisma and warmth as compared to the prequels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 58 minutes ago, mrbellamy said: He brought many new and unexpected colors, not merely in instrumentation but in the overall approach too. In some respects John Williams wrote a different kind of Star Wars score than we've heard previously. And I love him for it. He did the same for each of the prequels, though many JWFanners here seem keen on denying it. But the fact is he's been bringing a different spirit to each of the last couple of SW films. TFA is no exception. Just another reason to love him for it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lockdown 238 Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 The music that plays while Rey is walking up The Jedi Steps, is that a theme we know of previously, or is it brand new material? Where can I hear more of it? I love that part so much. mbrannon47 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 New material. That's the only statement of it in film and on album. mbrannon47 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lockdown 238 Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 Damn, I'd love more of it. Also, I liked The Force Awakens soundtrack before it was cool Do you think that it could be Luke and Rey's theme? Not sure, maybe it's not a theme at all, but I love it a lot. mbrannon47 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,286 Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 7 minutes ago, KK. said: He did the same for each of the prequels, though many JWFanners here seem keen on denying it. But the fact is he's been bringing a different spirit to each of the last couple of SW films. TFA is no exception. Just another reason to love him for it Yes, exactly! I think the difference is that the prequels still had those BIG moments of a full orchestra blasting out a huge new theme with spectacular imagery, especially related to a battle. In TFA, arguably THE standout musical moment is a solo flute accompanying a girl walking up some steps. I think a lot of fans don't know what to do with that. Damien F 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 Indeed, which reflects the interest of the composer I think. At this stage of his career, Williams is more interested in scoring the intimate rather than the sweeping and the big, and that can be heard all over in the layered pastoral approach to much of this score. It has a lot of heart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,286 Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 36 minutes ago, Taikomochi said: This is a major work from Williams, it is becoming apparent. I started to suspect this when ET&E went immediately head over heels for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 Filmtracks will probably spend 15 enormous paragraphs rambling on about how it offers nothing innovative, but it's fine if you want to revisit familiar territory in the composer's bag of tricks. And maybe four stars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 Ahh, here come the Clemmenson jokes... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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