MedigoScan 324 Posted July 21, 2016 Share Posted July 21, 2016 I dont know about you, but I really enjoy his action material stuff for the 5th and 6th tracks knowing the context helps Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jay 37,337 Posted July 21, 2016 Author Popular Post Share Posted July 21, 2016 This is definitely the best of the three Star Trek scores by Giacchino! I love that choir has returned in a big way, after being practically relegated to just one sequence in STID. Its use throughout is great - the big operatic moments and the quieter ones. I love that the main theme is given a new choral rendition. In fact the main theme goes through quite a lot of new variations, which is really great. Reminds me a bit of what Chad Seiter did with the theme in his game score. Some of these new variations are easily the best yet for the theme. And also all aspects of the theme are used - the main part, the b section, the ostinatio, the action ostinato, the Enterprise theme... and all sound great. He kind of introduces us to the familiar theme to start the score, then deconstructs it to its core, then slowly builds it back up throughout the score. Really cool. The action cues are a huge step up from before. Giacchino has been using a very similar style in his action music for a while, but here the action material is quite new and fresh. "Crash Decisions" is the best action cue of the trilogy! The only return to the old-style action writing is in the two Jaylah cues. Honestly he should have taken those off the OST program and put in something else. I heard Spock's Theme 3 times on the OST, once using the action variant from the end of STID, the other two more subtle and deconstructed kind of like the main theme. There's some villanous music but I'm not sure what specifically constitutes Krall's theme. The lengthy new theme in the Yorktown track is really nice. Overall, This is an evolution of not just his Star Trek sound, but his overall sound too. It definitely has a Jupiter Ascending influence, but evolves even from that. Overall the score is much more melodic, much more densely orchestrated, much more interesting. The final track is kind of a waste, it might have been better if he left that off and included another film cue instead. I wonder how much unreleased music there is? Cerebral Cortex, Will, JacksonElmore and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,345 Posted July 21, 2016 Share Posted July 21, 2016 There was choir in warp core values... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted July 21, 2016 Share Posted July 21, 2016 Good score! JacksonElmore 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MedigoScan 324 Posted July 21, 2016 Share Posted July 21, 2016 off the top of my head - the music for Kirks 'comedy scene' with the aliens -some dialogue music like when Kirk and Bones drink Chekovs booze -maybe some stuff in Yorktown, when the alien lady shows up - maybe some stuff in the battle of the Enterprise, that sequence was very long, but the soundtrack does give it 8 minutes of attention - a LOT of stuff in the middle up until the gang reunites, mostly involving Krall and the action sequence in the destroyed enterprise. Pity I liked that part - the battle scenes at yorktown with the swarm, before they destroy most of the swarm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,337 Posted July 21, 2016 Author Share Posted July 21, 2016 I just can't get over how good Crash Decisions is! Action cue of the year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MedigoScan 324 Posted July 21, 2016 Share Posted July 21, 2016 it was the musical climax of the movie for me certainly (well second one) I like the recurring theme in it, which i think was for the Franklin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JacksonElmore 69 Posted July 21, 2016 Share Posted July 21, 2016 a lot of harp in this score Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted July 21, 2016 Share Posted July 21, 2016 The application of his pre-existing themes is done a bit clumsy at times, to the point that it rather distracted me during the film. But there's some really effective stuff there too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,337 Posted July 21, 2016 Author Share Posted July 21, 2016 7 minutes ago, JacksonElmore said: a lot of harp in this score Anti-harpist! JacksonElmore 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MedigoScan 324 Posted July 21, 2016 Share Posted July 21, 2016 Kralls theme is best heard at the end of Cater-Krall in Zero G, around the 1minute mark of Mocking Jaylah, and 2:05 in Crash Decisions Jay 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan 689 Posted July 21, 2016 Share Posted July 21, 2016 So that's definitely Ilia's Theme at the end of Crash Decisions, yeah?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeallen01 2,135 Posted July 22, 2016 Share Posted July 22, 2016 How can you hear the score when it isn't released for another week? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Offline 29 Posted July 22, 2016 Share Posted July 22, 2016 36 minutes ago, leeallen01 said: How can you hear the score when it isn't released for another week? Also it releases digitally tomorrow. Physically next week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,337 Posted July 22, 2016 Author Share Posted July 22, 2016 52 minutes ago, leeallen01 said: How can you hear the score when it isn't released for another week? 5 hours ago, Jay said: Up for sale now on iTunes in some countries! https://itunes.apple.com/nz/album/id1133123160https://itunes.apple.com/au/album/id1133123160https://itunes.apple.com/cn/album/id1133123160https://itunes.apple.com/jp/album/id1133123160https://itunes.apple.com/in/album/id1133123160 Etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,337 Posted July 22, 2016 Author Share Posted July 22, 2016 Krall's theme is indeed obvious now that I've seen the film. I had noticed that theme when listening, but thought it was another deconstructed variant of the main theme. It's 5 notes and reminds me a bit of the first 5 notes of the main theme. So the new themes are the Five Year Mission Theme, Krall's Theme, Jaylah's Theme, the Franklin Theme... and another one I noticed that seemed to maybe just be an action theme? Any others? I noticed some important unreleased cues When Spock talks to Bones about Spock Prime, a really nice new variant of Spock's Theme is used. It's great! It's also more clearly Spock's Theme than the really altered variants that appear on the OST. Krall's Theme had more appearances in the film than the few on the OST I remember at least one action cue with a cool rhythm I didn't remember from the OST. I believe there was a cool version of the Five Year Mission theme at the end of the movie that wasn't on the OST... I could be wrong about that though In general a lot of music from the middle of the film seems to be missing from the OST Overall its a good OST that covers most of the highlights, certainly covers all the new material very well. The end credits in the final film was the same opening as always, be re-orchestrated, then Rihanna song, then the Yorktown cue, then the Courage fanfare ending like the first film's final moment I believe. The final track on the OST isn't used. I wonder if he wrote an unused middle end credits cue like on STID. I love how ST09's end credits sutie integrated the villain's theme into it, which is rare for end credits suites. Would be cool if he did that here, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,337 Posted July 22, 2016 Author Share Posted July 22, 2016 5 hours ago, alan1984 said: So that's definitely Ilia's Theme at the end of Crash Decisions, yeah?! That's Spock's Theme. ~ Up for sale now in the US; You can also check these out to hear samples if you are waiting for the physical CD before listening to the whole thing https://play.google.com/store/music/album?id=Bab3m7gaxwst2cvtnbf4xso7g44 https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01IC9VE1E https://itunes.apple.com/in/album/id1133123160 ~ Varese has uploaded some kind of video with some music too Sheet music I see: 1m2 We Come In Pieces 1m5-6 To Thine Own Death Be True 1m7 We Make A Good Team 2m7 Dance Of The Nebula 2m8D Hitting The Saucer Hard And we already knew 1m3 is Thank Your Lucky Stardate from the iggy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted July 22, 2016 Share Posted July 22, 2016 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeallen01 2,135 Posted July 22, 2016 Share Posted July 22, 2016 I've just started listening to it. It's wonderful. I'm only up to 'Night on the Yorktown,' and it already feels like one of his best scores. That 5 year mission theme is gorgeous and he's already done lots of new things with his main theme in just the first few pieces. Great stuff. As I'm only up to 'Night on the Yorktown,' does anyone know what that lovely moment is at 3:20 - 3:55 in that piece? Edit: still making my way through and holy crap his action material is brilliant. 'Hitting the Saucer a Little Hard' just wow. What he does with the B Theme of his Main Theme is stunning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damien F 1,742 Posted July 22, 2016 Share Posted July 22, 2016 I love how he incorporates the various elements of the main theme in the action music. It sounds great! Still getting to grips with the different themes - what is the 5 years mission theme? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,337 Posted July 22, 2016 Author Share Posted July 22, 2016 The one from Thank Your Lucky Stardate (1:35) and Night On The Yorktown, etc Damien F 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeallen01 2,135 Posted July 22, 2016 Share Posted July 22, 2016 1:52 in 'Mocking Jaylah.' Is that a nod to Horner? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,337 Posted July 22, 2016 Author Share Posted July 22, 2016 What do you mean? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JacksonElmore 69 Posted July 22, 2016 Share Posted July 22, 2016 Always love finding coincidental similarities between scores. 0:39-0:42 0:29-0:32 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damien F 1,742 Posted July 22, 2016 Share Posted July 22, 2016 48 minutes ago, Jay said: The one from Thank Your Lucky Stardate (1:35) and Night On The Yorktown, etc I had a feeling that was it. It's a gorgeous theme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeallen01 2,135 Posted July 22, 2016 Share Posted July 22, 2016 3:03-3:10 in 'Motorcycles of Relief and 1:52-1:59 in 'Mocking Jaylah' Sounds like a nod to Horner's Wrath of Khan Main Theme. It feels similar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will 2,215 Posted July 22, 2016 Share Posted July 22, 2016 12 minutes ago, leeallen01 said: 3:03-3:10 in 'Motorcycles of Relief and 1:52-1:59 in 'Mocking Jaylah' Sounds like a nod to Horner's Wrath of Khan Main Theme. It feels similar. Haven't heard OST yet, but Giacchino said in that live stream that he had incorporated subtle musical nods that true fans might notice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeallen01 2,135 Posted July 22, 2016 Share Posted July 22, 2016 It definitely feels like it is intentional. Maybe he wanted to do it because of Horner's passing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted July 22, 2016 Share Posted July 22, 2016 If those are Horner nods they're too subtle for me. Could you point to specific sections of the WOK soundtrack that you think those moments reference? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeallen01 2,135 Posted July 22, 2016 Share Posted July 22, 2016 Just the main body of his theme. The moment in Mocking Jaylah that I pointed out, sounds like it could reference this part 0:51-0:55 in the below video. Probably me just being nostalgic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted July 22, 2016 Share Posted July 22, 2016 I can hear it a bit. But maybe I'm just looking for it because you say it's there! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeallen01 2,135 Posted July 22, 2016 Share Posted July 22, 2016 Yeah most likely. It just feels Hornerish, as does 3:03 in 'Motorcycles of Relief.' Just makes me smile. Does anyone know what 3:20 - 3:50 in 'Night on the Yorktown' is yet? I might be missing something, but is it any particular theme or just a lovely solo moment? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,337 Posted July 22, 2016 Author Share Posted July 22, 2016 1 hour ago, leeallen01 said: 3:03-3:10 in 'Motorcycles of Relief and 1:52-1:59 in 'Mocking Jaylah' Sounds like a nod to Horner's Wrath of Khan Main Theme. It feels similar. I do not hear even a remote resemblance! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted July 22, 2016 Share Posted July 22, 2016 Doesnt Leeallen often hear things that us mortals do not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,337 Posted July 22, 2016 Author Share Posted July 22, 2016 I have no idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted July 22, 2016 Share Posted July 22, 2016 Nor do i.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,337 Posted July 22, 2016 Author Share Posted July 22, 2016 Pictures from the recording sessions http://scoringsessions.com/2016/07/22/michael-giacchino-scores-star-trek-beyond/ http://scoringsessions.com/sessions/24545 Visible cue names and lengths 1m1 Trick Or Treaty 0:44 1m2 We Come In Pieces 1:07 1m3 Thank Your Lucky Star Date 2:24 1m3 Alt Ins 1 0:30 1m3 Alt Ins 2 0:54 1m4 Night On The Yorktown 5:?? 1m4 Ins 1m5-6 To Thine Own Death Be True 1m7 We Make A Good Team 2m7 The Dance of the Nebula 2m9 3m10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted July 22, 2016 Share Posted July 22, 2016 This is the best of Giacchino's Trek scores by a wide margin. And it's recorded in a very agreeable way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giftheck 916 Posted July 22, 2016 Share Posted July 22, 2016 I agree with both. I have a fondness for how Into Darkness was recorded - it definitely sounded a lot cleaner than 2009 - but the recording for this sounds better in quite a few cases. I'm actually a little torn as to which version of "Star Trek Main Theme" I prefer - the Into Darkness version or the Beyond version. It is intersting that Giacchino chose to slow down a passage of the theme though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damien F 1,742 Posted July 22, 2016 Share Posted July 22, 2016 Does the brassy theme in Crash Decisions (which also appears towards the end of A Lesson In Vulcan Mineralogy on flutes) represent something or is it just a minor action motif. Anyway, it is absolutely great and Crash Decisions is definitely one of the best cues of the year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted July 22, 2016 Share Posted July 22, 2016 Yeah "Crash Decisions" and "Night on the Yorktown" are definitely the two tracks going on the Best of 2016 list. Great score, still digesting it all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted July 22, 2016 Share Posted July 22, 2016 I definitely hear a lot of Horner homage, which is nice. Can't say I'm getting any "best action cue of the year" vibe from Crash Decisions though... not even best action cue of the score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted July 22, 2016 Share Posted July 22, 2016 Well most Gia fans do tend towards hyperbole when it comes to their hero. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted July 22, 2016 Share Posted July 22, 2016 I think the action music is the clear weak point of this score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted July 22, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted July 22, 2016 It's always been one of his weakest points, and as he improves, I think it's now the only big issue for him. There are bits in this score, though, that are more compelling than he's yet been. So he's heading in the right direction. Pieter Boelen, BLUMENKOHL and Will 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted July 22, 2016 Share Posted July 22, 2016 It's a shame he doesn't utilize the incredible big new theme more in the score. Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted July 22, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted July 22, 2016 Yes. I am prepared to say that Night On The Yorktown is, in fact, likely to be one of the best of the year. And it contains what has rapidly become my most-liked Giacchino theme. Cerebral Cortex, BLUMENKOHL and Pieter Boelen 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MedigoScan 324 Posted July 22, 2016 Share Posted July 22, 2016 1 hour ago, dfenton85 said: Does the brassy theme in Crash Decisions (which also appears towards the end of A Lesson In Vulcan Mineralogy on flutes) represent something or is it just a minor action motif. Anyway, it is absolutely great and Crash Decisions is definitely one of the best cues of the year. I thought it stood for the Franklin, the other major starfleet ship in the movie but I dont remember the context for the Vulcan Mineralogy segment also MC had some more decent action material that was left off from the OST, like the middle section with Kirk and Chekov Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeallen01 2,135 Posted July 22, 2016 Share Posted July 22, 2016 So does anyone have a basic knowledge of the new themes and their placements throughout the score? I'm still trying to figure out what 3:20 - 3:52 in 'Night on the Yorktown' is and whether it recurs elsewhere in the score. I'm seeing the film tomorrow, so I am yet to fully absorb all the material until I know its proper context. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,999 Posted July 22, 2016 Share Posted July 22, 2016 The mix of the score is a tad disappointing. But it works very well overall. Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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