nightscape94 965 Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 1 hour ago, TheGreyPilgrim said: But what is art? What do you call a man with no arms and no legs hanging on a wall.... Tough crowd....I'll be here all week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted February 6, 2016 Share Posted February 6, 2016 18 hours ago, Thor said: What is love? A classic! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted February 7, 2016 Share Posted February 7, 2016 On 2/4/2016 at 6:46 PM, hornist said: Nooooooo!!!!! The Book Thief is one of his best scores, but that you knew ij4 They all can't be among his best scores. that makes the word best meaningless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joni Wiljami 1,206 Posted February 7, 2016 Share Posted February 7, 2016 But this one is a top 10 score. Not all but this one. Mistakes can happen, for a foreigner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted February 7, 2016 Share Posted February 7, 2016 It is not one of John's ten best scores The film is awful . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joni Wiljami 1,206 Posted February 7, 2016 Share Posted February 7, 2016 The film is not the best one. The music is awesome. The visitor at Himmel Street is the best track with Rey's theme in last !0 years. Period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 2,833 Posted February 7, 2016 Author Share Posted February 7, 2016 "The Book Thief" is a functional score and that's about it, although the film didn't really allow Williams to unleash glorious flowing themes and stunningly complex action cues. I do enjoy the suite though. That's why I'm really looking forward to "The BFG". Something that isn't Star Wars (I did love TFA though) or a historical drama. Not Mr. Big 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted February 7, 2016 Share Posted February 7, 2016 The Book Thief is white-bread Williams. Everything in that score had been done before and better by the composer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,233 Posted February 7, 2016 Share Posted February 7, 2016 I agree that it isn't necessarily anything special, but I'd love to hear hornist tell us what he sees in it, since obviously he feels quite strongly, and as a musician must have good reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted February 7, 2016 Share Posted February 7, 2016 Yeah, right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,477 Posted February 7, 2016 Share Posted February 7, 2016 I agree regarding THE BOOK THIEF. The film is maudlin Oscar-bait (didn't receive any, though, did it?), and Williams' score is functional. Which is weird, since it was HE who wanted to do it, based on his love for the book. One would think there was a deeper well of inspiration there. But hey -- even functional Williams is better than a LOT of stuff out there. It's a pleasant album, when all is said and done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted February 7, 2016 Share Posted February 7, 2016 He may have not seen the film before signing on to it. Also, there have been a fair share of these smaller scores ('Accidental Tourist', 'Stanley and Iris', 'Stepmom', 'Presumed Innocent' for instance) that had pretty themes but weren't exactly setting the world on fire as a whole so maybe expectations defied us here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,477 Posted February 7, 2016 Share Posted February 7, 2016 1 minute ago, publicist said: He may have not seen the film before signing on to it. Also, there have been a fair share of these smaller scores ('Accidental Tourist', 'Stanley and Iris', 'Stepmom', 'Presumed Innocent' for instance) that had pretty themes but weren't exactly setting the world on fire as a whole so maybe expectations defied us here. Maybe. But I adore all of those "smaller" scores you mention (PRESUMED INNOCENT less so, but still with a more pronounced presence and identity -- maybe due to the many variations of the main theme) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted February 7, 2016 Share Posted February 7, 2016 Nobody forces you to un-adore them. But with their often endlessly stretched piano lines and general boring pleasantness they don't exactly make a case for the maestro's biggest talent (which is the big symphony orchestra). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,477 Posted February 7, 2016 Share Posted February 7, 2016 I think Williams' talents stretch way beyond the big symphony orchestra, although that is one of his major strengths. In fact, one could argue that his jazz talents, for example, are on the same level as his symphonic writing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted February 7, 2016 Share Posted February 7, 2016 They are but i was talking about his approach to chamber-sized film scoring. I highly doubt that Williams would dare to expose, say, a concertgoer to a piece as monotonous and variation-less as 'Accidental Tourist' (hence the satisfying 5-minute suite). Colleague Elmer Bernstein was much more interesting to listen to in his many chamber-sized scores around the same time (though fired from the movies half of the time!). After 1994, he did few movies in that idiom but there were several excellent parts for small instrumental group in i. e. ROSEWOOD or MEMOIRS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,477 Posted February 7, 2016 Share Posted February 7, 2016 Hard to speculate in such things. I would certainly welcome a concert treatment of those 'small' Williams scores. I think what I love so much about them could be easily transcribed to an interesting suite format of some kind (there's a potenial 'guitar suite/piece' in STEPMOM, for example). But I doubt it's ever going to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted February 7, 2016 Share Posted February 7, 2016 The Book Thief is to hornist what Always is to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,477 Posted February 7, 2016 Share Posted February 7, 2016 51 minutes ago, E.T. and Elliot said: The Book Thief is to hornist what Always is to me. I used to REALLY dislike ALWAYS, but it has grown considerably on me in later years (as my general music taste has changed), even that seemingly aimless "Heaven" track. Today, I would say I vastly prefer ALWAYS over THE BOOK THIEF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted February 7, 2016 Share Posted February 7, 2016 File it under 'endearing quirkiness'. I mean, 'Always' is just of so little consequence one wouldn't even think of sticking a strong label like 'dislike' on it. I quite like the one long cue but you know... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted February 7, 2016 Share Posted February 7, 2016 It's one of my favorite scores! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted February 7, 2016 Share Posted February 7, 2016 Repeating that every second thread doesn't exactly heighten its relevance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,477 Posted February 7, 2016 Share Posted February 7, 2016 I like E.T. and Elliot's enthusiasm for the score! I know all about championing scores and styles that aren't well-liked by a majority of film score fans. From his username, though, I would think E.T. was his favourite score? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artguy360 1,843 Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 Oh man, that's a lot of scores to rank. Although Book Thief is not one of JW's best modern scores, it does have some incredibly beautiful moments. When I have the soundtrack playing in the background, there are times I'm completely surprised by how beautiful and delicate the score is. justaguy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 In context of this thread i'd rather listen to the trumpet concerto. A marvellous piece and not hampered by lame movie conventions: http://site-323590.bcvp0rtal.com/detail/videos/living-composers/video/4717172146001/john-williams-trumpet-concerto?autoStart=true Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gnome in Plaid 219 Posted May 2, 2016 Share Posted May 2, 2016 Revenge of the Sith Lincoln Memoirs of a Geisha The Prisoner of Azkaban The Adventures of Tintin The Force Awakens The Patriot The Sorcerer's Stone Minority Report Munich Attack of the Clones The Kingdom of the Crystal Skull The Chamber of Secrets War Horse Catch Me If You Can The Book Thief I've never listened to War of the Worlds, AI, or The Terminal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted May 2, 2016 Share Posted May 2, 2016 1 minute ago, Gnome in Plaid said: I've never listened to War of the Worlds, AI, or The Terminal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightscape94 965 Posted May 3, 2016 Share Posted May 3, 2016 Not sure why those three have been singled out, but that needs to be rectified! Something worth hearing in all of them, although, admittedly, I have not listened to War of the Worlds in over 5 years, and it's obvious at this point that A.I. is something of an acquired taste (for the record, one of my favorites). The Terminal is great, and even for someone who may not like the score start to finish, there are still a handful of terrific tracks on there, especially the ones that involve the love theme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 2,833 Posted May 4, 2016 Author Share Posted May 4, 2016 "Dinner with Amelia" is a thoroughly enjoyable cue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artguy360 1,843 Posted May 4, 2016 Share Posted May 4, 2016 War of the Worlds is a very interesting score from JW. Some of the cues do carry an odd, creepy, alien soundscape while others are more like his typical 2000s era energetic action music. The little bit of thematic material is not particularly strong but I'm glad the score exists. We'll probably never get another score like it from JW and that's reason enough for me to find it a pretty interesting listen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bellosh 3,397 Posted May 6, 2016 Share Posted May 6, 2016 I'm really surprised that War Horse is not ranked that high on many of these lists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,477 Posted May 6, 2016 Share Posted May 6, 2016 2 hours ago, Bellosh said: I'm really surprised that War Horse is not ranked that high on many of these lists. Me too. By far his best work in the 2010s, and I doubt he's going to match it in the remaining 4 years of the decade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 2,833 Posted May 7, 2016 Author Share Posted May 7, 2016 6 hours ago, Thor said: Me too. By far his best work in the 2010s, and I doubt he's going to match it in the remaining 4 years of the decade. The more I listen to it, the more it grows on me. I still would argue that Tintin and TFA are superior, but all his post 2010 work has been pretty outstanding Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 4,640 Posted May 7, 2016 Share Posted May 7, 2016 7 hours ago, Thor said: Me too. By far his best work in the 2010s, and I doubt he's going to match it in the remaining 4 years of the decade. I think Warhorse is fantastic, but I have a hunch he is going to exceed it within two months time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted May 7, 2016 Share Posted May 7, 2016 Just now, Tom said: I think Warhorse is fantastic, but I have a hunch he is going to exceed it within two months time. He's already exceeded it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stempel 136 Posted May 9, 2016 Share Posted May 9, 2016 The Force Awakens Memoirs of a Geisha The Sorcerer's Stone The Adventures of Tintin The Kingdom of the Crystal Skull The Terminal The Chamber of Secrets The Prisoner of Azkaban A. I. Catch Me If You Can Revenge of the Sith Attack of the Clones War Of The Worlds The Patriot Lincoln Minority Report Munich War Horse The Book Thief Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 4,640 Posted May 9, 2016 Share Posted May 9, 2016 On 5/7/2016 at 8:24 PM, Mr. Big said: He's already exceeded it I agree. I guess I was speaking to the pastoral scores. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted May 9, 2016 Share Posted May 9, 2016 Just now, Tom said: I agree. I guess I was speaking to the pastoral scores. Ah, ok. Are we sure The BFG will be pastoral though? I'd like it to be pastoral but I'm getting more of a "Harry Potter" vibe from the trailers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 4,640 Posted May 9, 2016 Share Posted May 9, 2016 Probably not pastoral through and through, but the flute has me thinking magic/pastoral mix for the Sophie moments. But, I could be way off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,504 Posted May 16, 2016 Share Posted May 16, 2016 1: "Prisoner Of Azkaban". 2: "Minority Report". The rest is noise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted May 16, 2016 Share Posted May 16, 2016 Your mum! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joni Wiljami 1,206 Posted May 16, 2016 Share Posted May 16, 2016 edited With that logic, lets say The Book Thief, Lincoln are the most beautiful noise I ever heard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,504 Posted May 17, 2016 Share Posted May 17, 2016 On 16 May 2016 at 0:41 PM, hornist said: With that logic, lets say The Book Thief, Lincoln and BFG are the most beautiful noise I ever heard. That's kinda what I meant, Horny. JW at his worst is better than some composers at their very best. Any JW is better than no JW at all, but those two listed by me are the acme of his 2000 and beyond output. Just a cotton-pickin' moment (cough, splutter) You've heard "BFG"?????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joni Wiljami 1,206 Posted May 17, 2016 Share Posted May 17, 2016 Fixed! Of course I haven't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted May 17, 2016 Share Posted May 17, 2016 Horny? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joni Wiljami 1,206 Posted May 17, 2016 Share Posted May 17, 2016 All the time... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColonelVogel 6 Posted May 18, 2016 Share Posted May 18, 2016 It's a very tough choice. For me, the tracks I like are more important to my liking of the soundtrack than the soundtrack itself. The whole soundtrack being terrific is an added bonus. My favorite tracks, in no particular order, are: -hedwig's theme -the face of voldemort -leaving hogwarts -harry's wondrous world -across the stars -fawkes the phoenix -buckbeak's flight -aunt marge's waltz -rey's theme -kylo ren's motif (not really a full track) -jedi steps & finale Yes, I haven't listened to all of the soundtracks from the 2000s, so my choices are a little limited. What soundtracks or tracks does anyone think I would like based on these tracks? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,312 Posted May 18, 2016 Share Posted May 18, 2016 Looks like you've heard Harry Potter 1-3 & TFA already, so I would suggest Tintin and Memoirs of a Geisha next Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,504 Posted May 19, 2016 Share Posted May 19, 2016 Don't listen to this lightweight! Save your money, go straight to "Minority Report", and stick on "Everybody Runs", and "Anderton's Great Escape". Breathtaking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 2,833 Posted May 19, 2016 Author Share Posted May 19, 2016 "The Mecha World" from AI is an absolutely outstanding cue. In fact the whole of AI is a hidden gem from JW's post 2000 work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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