indy4 155 Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 While numerous aspects of the prequel trilogy were poorly executed, I've always thought the ideas behind the films were interesting, and in particular the political struggles. Both the political commentary (IE Chancellor Palpatine being granted emergency powers in the face of war), but also the glimpse into the bureacracy of the Galactic Senate (IE Chancellor Valorum's inability to cut through the bureacracy and resolve the Trade Federations' conflict with Naboo). I recognize that these political debates are not really very OT-ish, but I still find them interesting (perhaps because I'm a political junkie). Anybody else with me? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muad'Dib 1,802 Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 I knew one bloke at uni who loved the prequels because of their convoluted politics! He probably hates TFA because it wasn't like the prequels enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 I appreciate that the prequels did portray a different story as opposed to TFA, where the exact same shit is happening all over again 30 years later. Brónach 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scarpia 132 Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 I'd have preferred a clearer political framework. I was confused the first time I watched the movie, but the second time I realized there is enough information (main title crawl, some dialogue and General Hux's Hitlerian speech) to know basically what is going on. The destruction of Hosnian Prime and the other planets of that system is the part that needed a little bit of elaboration, in my opinion. Looking so much like Coruscant, I really thought they could have managed to name at least once what planet it really was. And the movie was done with it pretty quickly, and doesn't give us the chance to realise that the legitimate government that supports the Resistance, with the senate and central planets of the Republic, is completely wiped away, and the general inestability that would bring.. A. A. Ron 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 No. I have no desire for politics in escapist science-fiction blockbusters. Koray Savas and BLUMENKOHL 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick1Ø66 4,714 Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 I had no objection, in concept, to the politics in the prequels and learning more about the Republic, Senate, their relationship with the Jedi Council etc. In some ways the story (at least the one Lucas wanted to tell) demanded it. My issue is with the ham fisted, clunky and vapid way it was all handled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,795 Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 One thing i noted while cringing about the 'personal' way the opening crawl is written (i think it was the words 'finding Luke' instead of 'finding the lost Jedi master/lost Jedi', 'Finding Skywalker' which stood out the most, I noticed that the prequels AND the original film crawls were more politics-war driven, that describe what is happening in the galaxy. (and for that much more insightful). ESB, ROTJ and TFA became more personal and less galactic wide in their contents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,333 Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 Like I said, it became more soapy. Gruesome Son of a Bitch 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melange 446 Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 I haven't seen the new Star Wars movie, so I can't compare. Does it happen to have twirking in it, for wider appeal? I did hear that it has an almost invincible woman in it, easily taking out highly trained men, for wider appeal. I didn't mind the politics of the prequels, though I agree with NIck66 that the 'way' in which it was handled was a bit mismanaged. For example, pushing what looks like a U.N Resolution onto the audience during the opening roll was a bit silly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 I still feel the political aspects of Revenge of the Sith were handled well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry B 50 Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 The worst part of the prequel politics was the barely-veiled criticism of a certain president in Revenge of the Sith. Not saying I agree or disagree with what was implied - I know, I'm not allowed - just saying that the execution came across as incredibly conceited and broke the fourth wall for me. Lucas isn't as smart as he thinks he is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 I would say the worst part was everything that occurred in the first two prequels, which no one understood or cared about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muad'Dib 1,802 Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 The problem with the prequels politics is that Lucas vision of it, esentially, is the one of a really wealthy man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy4 155 Posted December 27, 2015 Author Share Posted December 27, 2015 19 minutes ago, Michael said: The problem with the prequels politics is that Lucas vision of it, esentially, is the one of a really wealthy man. Hmmm interesting. Care to elaborate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 14 hours ago, indy4 said: While numerous aspects of the prequel trilogy were poorly executed, I've always thought the ideas behind the films were interesting, and in particular the political struggles. Both the political commentary (IE Chancellor Palpatine being granted emergency powers in the face of war), but also the glimpse into the bureacracy of the Galactic Senate (IE Chancellor Valorum's inability to cut through the bureacracy and resolve the Trade Federations' conflict with Naboo). I recognize that these political debates are not really very OT-ish, but I still find them interesting (perhaps because I'm a political junkie). Anybody else with me? Nope, who cares. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightscape94 965 Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 I would like the politics better if they made more sense. The transition from a Republic to an Empire in the third movie is so incredibly clunky and ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 Not another lecture, Master. Not on the economics of politics... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 We live in a real world. Come back to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 No, no! I'd be much too frightened to tease a senator! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muad'Dib 1,802 Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 7 hours ago, indy4 said: Hmmm interesting. Care to elaborate? I mean that Lucas' been out of the real world for so long, that he completely forgot how politics work. He views politics as rich guys do, in terms of people talking endlessly, not so much in terms of people taking action and starting up a revolution or something of the sort. That might have been more interesting for what's still an escapist movie. I don't know what was Lucas thinking, honestly. Brónach 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post #SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 28, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted December 28, 2015 But that's actually how politics work! People talking and lobbying endlessly trying to gain an upper hand over the "other side". Politics isn't about taking action, it's about hedging bets, spinning webs. Revolution is usually the antithesis of politics. Lucas got that very richt actually. He just didn't make it very interesting. Jacck, jwalk713 and indy4 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muad'Dib 1,802 Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 That's what I'm saying, it doesn't make for an interesting movie. And sure, that's how politics *should* work -and it's probably how they work in first world countries, but here and in a lot of third-world countries it's much more violent than sitting down and talking things out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,302 Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 What politics is changes a lot depending on who you are and where you are. In The Phantom Menace we have rich people talking about politics. They mostly talk, about their own power and about... an invasion... and people dying... somewhere... Muad'Dib 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post publicist 4,643 Posted December 28, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted December 28, 2015 Even CLEOPATRA does a lot of political intrigue in more cinematic terms, and that's not exactly a high watermark. But the one thing that may have been politically risqué after 2001 and today even more so is the blunt statement that galaxy-spanning shadow governments instruct terrorist attacks as negotiating quantity. It betrays Lucas relative cynism that curiously bears little cinematic fruit, so to speak, but if you think about it's pretty bold for the daffy storyline you'd expect form this series. Brónach, jwalk713, crocodile and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,302 Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 The New Republic funding the Resistance guerrilla is kind of like the real thing, except the Resistance is presented as good. Although presenting those as good has happened too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 That may be a half-sentence in the opening crawl but the last thing TFA does or wants is to engage political discussion. It does not present anything except opposing forces that are made clearly distinguishable by look and design. No ambivalence at all. indy4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,302 Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 Yup. I did miss a little more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 Watching the film it dawned on me that the First Order might have been based on the Nazis. But i might have been wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 It's based on what pop art made nazis to be. Brónach 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 Hogans Heroes and Allo Allo Nazis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 If only Klink would have had a vast tribune like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 Can't wait to see how that scene plays in the German dub! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 As lame as you would expect. They don't have voice talents like the fuehrer anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUMENKOHL 1,068 Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 You watched a dubbed film? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 He might have had no choice! We should not judge him before having the facts. Explain yourself! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,302 Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 I was lucky to catch it in English. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 2D=german dub. I made my choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUMENKOHL 1,068 Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 You are dead to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 I watch heaps of Godzilla movies in English dubs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 50 minutes ago, Lhokne Mulb said: You are dead to me. No more chilly stalking then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUMENKOHL 1,068 Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 Just now, publicist said: No more chilly stalking then? Never again! Dubbed! Pah! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 Maybe the nearest English version was too far for him? Maybe he loved Star Wars soooo much that he could not wait to see it! There must be a logical explanation! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 I will reveal here exclusively that i didn't give a shit and 3D hugely annoys me and the mates. In fact, for germans there always will be only Harrison Ford's dubbing voice. ( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 Damn you! Damn you to hell! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 I was actually glad the film left the political situation alone beyond naming the opposing camps and their affiliations in regards of the Republic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 TFA needed to make clear that the Republic started to fracture during debates about quantitative easing. And that proposed defense cut-backs led the First Order to separate themselves from Republic control. indy4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gnome in Plaid 219 Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 Actually, yes. The political stuff was one of the only things I liked about the prequels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted December 29, 2015 Share Posted December 29, 2015 I love the scene where Palpatine becomes the Emperor. It was certainly helped not only by Williams' score, but also McDiarmid's awesomely over the top acting, a breath of fresh air after two movies of boring monotone performances. See, there, the politics weren't really complicated. It was a supervillain running amok with power and just having a fucking field day. Scarpia and Brónach 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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