BloodBoal 7,538 Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerebral Cortex 3,357 Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 8 hours ago, crumbs said: He never seems particularly interested in reusing existing themes when he has a chance to write new ones, unless specifically asked to. I feel like Rey's Theme will follow a pattern similar to the Force theme in that it won't experience a specific pattern of growth or evolution per se, because, as you noted, that's not in keeping with Williams' style, but given how enamored he seems to be with Daisy, Rey, and Rey's theme, I can see the theme expanded upon through statements that coincide with important Rey-centric moments in the story. Again, much like the Force theme serves as the emotional backbone and is the pulse of these films, I think Williams will go against the usual and indulge in continuing to explore Rey's theme for this trilogy and use it as the backbone to Rey's arc, even if the theme itself doesn't adhere strictly to a similar arc. This isn't really based on any fact, just a hunch. Hopefully that makes sense. I'm rambling. 8 hours ago, crumbs said: So... who thinks JW will top Rey's Theme in TLJ? My reflexive response is to say no, but given that: A) I feel like TLJ will be a film that will provide Williams with more musical inspiration, and... B) Will most likely be a film that sees the characters going through more highs and lows than their fairly straightforward journeys in TFA... I think there will be more meat musically for Williams to bite into, and I can see him being able to possibly top Rey's theme in TLJ. Given how TFA exceeded my expectations, it goes to show that Williams is still full of surprises. crumbs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted February 22, 2017 Share Posted February 22, 2017 I wonder which recording style this score will utilize. Will it continue the dryer, brassier sound of TFA or the rounder, more reverb heavy sound of the prequels? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,037 Posted February 22, 2017 Share Posted February 22, 2017 I'm sure it'll continue more or less in the vein of TFA's sound, which I'm not overjoyed about, but I'm expecting the music itself to be pretty fantastic. Considering Williams' fondness for Rey, I'll be very surprised if he abandons her theme altogether, but I would imagine some new thematic material will be prominent, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted February 22, 2017 Share Posted February 22, 2017 TFA sounds fantastic! Reference quality recording and performance! Not Mr. Big and artguy360 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 2,833 Posted February 22, 2017 Share Posted February 22, 2017 I'm hoping for extended treatment of Finn/Poe's theme. I wonder if characters like Hux/Maz will have more prominent roles in TLJ and therefore require some thematic material. Arpy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 A development of Rey's Theme and an 'Imperial March-like' development or new theme for Kylo Ren. Finn/Poe Theme with more xylophone too! Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 Finn/Poe theme on Marimba Arpy and Will 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,480 Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 Vulva-what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 13 minutes ago, Bespin said: Vulva-what? Where was Kanadia during the 2010 World Cup? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 I'm expecting an enjoyable score, albeit a brief distraction. As with TFA, we'll soon discover that we've heard most of the music before and that Williams has pulled a Horner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted February 23, 2017 Author Share Posted February 23, 2017 "People will look up Horner in the dictionary and there'll be a picture of me!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,233 Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 I expect this score to cause Trump's impeachment. Hillary will be president. Will and Taikomochi 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,272 Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 This score will be the reason these boards exist. The dawn of TLJFan is upon us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Docteur Qui 1,544 Posted February 23, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted February 23, 2017 I've long since learned not to have any kind of expectation of content other than high quality. And that's a 100% guarantee with JW. As far as themes go, the less I hope for specifically, the better. That's not a criticism at all, but if I'm sitting there expecting a developed version of Poe's theme or a balls-to-the-wall villain theme in the style of The Imperial March then I'll be disappointed because it's almost certainly not going to happen. JW rarely does the expected in his scores these days, and it's only in retrospect that it all seems to be perfectly in line with his instincts and style. Pieter Boelen, Cerebral Cortex, DominicCobb and 5 others 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 4,640 Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 5 minutes ago, Docteur Qui said: I've long since learned not to have any kind of expectation of content other than high quality. And that's a 100% guarantee with JW. As far as themes go, the less I hope for specifically, the better. That's not a criticism at all, but if I'm sitting there expecting a developed version of Poe's theme or a balls-to-the-wall villain theme in the style of The Imperial March then I'll be disappointed because it's almost certainly not going to happen. JW rarely does the expected in his scores these days, and it's only in retrospect that it all seems to be perfectly in line with his instincts and style. There is a lot of wisdom in this post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthDementous 1,059 Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 can we merge this thread with the 'John Williams begins recording Episode VII in Los Angeles' one, since it seems like the comments and overall constraints of the discussion are the same - would just make it easier to follow when news actually does come out. crumbs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,323 Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 The line must be drawn here! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will 2,215 Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 The new First Order theme has leaked. Listen here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DominicCobb 194 Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 What are the chances JW abandons all the new themes from TFA save Rey's and maybe March of the Resistance? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 I'd say they're high! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthDementous 1,059 Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 5 hours ago, Jay said: No. why? what's different between this thread and the other one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,272 Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 @DominicCobb Probably your guess is as good as anybody's, really. It's gonna be interesting to see what happens with TFA's material. To me I think Rey's Theme is the only thing that will surely have at least one prominent statement - be it action-driven, broadly emotional, or otherwise - along with probably a few other references in the underscore. Other than that, who knows, I feel like everything else is potentially on the chopping block. I could see the Resistance March merely showing up once for the first scene on the base, or it could wind up with several big action renditions in the climax! Kylo's motifs could continue to define his character throughout, or they could get buried. If Poe gets a big hero moment, maybe his theme returns in glorious fashion....or maybe not. Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artguy360 1,843 Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 Were there complaints early on that the orchestrations in TFA were boring? I seem to recall something like that. If there were, those people are nuts. The orchestrations in TFA are great. Similar to the OT and very bright and crisp. I hope JW sticks with the same general style for TLJ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted February 24, 2017 Author Share Posted February 24, 2017 The LA musicians are better than the LSO at film scoring anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,305 Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 3 hours ago, artguy360 said: Were there complaints early on that the orchestrations in TFA were boring? I seem to recall something like that. If there were, those people are nuts. The orchestrations in TFA are great. Similar to the OT and very bright and crisp. I hope JW sticks with the same general style for TLJ. It was definitely a conscious departure from his modern style (The BFG couldn't sound any more different, and he wrote it mere months after TFA), but that was also by JJ's request. He's never shown much fondness for revisiting his older works outside of concert performances; a common trait in artists actually. Spielberg's made similar comments when revisiting his older films. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted February 24, 2017 Author Share Posted February 24, 2017 Yeah Spielberg doesn't really make movies about suburbia anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,305 Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 Probably a reflection of his own life and how it changed in the 80s, though he still has daddy issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Docteur Qui 1,544 Posted February 25, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted February 25, 2017 21 hours ago, artguy360 said: Were there complaints early on that the orchestrations in TFA were boring? I seem to recall something like that. If there were, those people are nuts. The orchestrations in TFA are great. Similar to the OT and very bright and crisp. I hope JW sticks with the same general style for TLJ. I think a lot of people were expecting more percussion in general, which does affect the sound of the orchestration quite a bit. As it is, there was hardly any snare drum or pitched percussion in the score (both of which featured very heavily in the prequel and OT scores), at least not in a prominent position in the mix. That threw a few people off. There's so many subtle colours going on in TFA that repeat listens illuminate; a lot of brass and string combinations, blended woodwinds etc. At first listen it doesn't sound like a very wide palette of orchestrations but when you listen closer there's so much going on. Cerebral Cortex, Loert and Taikomochi 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,305 Posted February 25, 2017 Share Posted February 25, 2017 Well said, @Docteur Qui. That said, I'd really love a resurgence of percussion in TLJ. I really missed the snare drums in TFA... can't even think of a cue that features them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted February 25, 2017 Share Posted February 25, 2017 YouTube just recommended this to me, I haven't watched it yet so not sure if it tells you anything you didn't already know: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muad'Dib 1,801 Posted February 25, 2017 Share Posted February 25, 2017 3 hours ago, crumbs said: Well said, @Docteur Qui. That said, I'd really love a resurgence of percussion in TLJ. I really missed the snare drums in TFA... can't even think of a cue that features them. artguy360 and Taikomochi 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted February 25, 2017 Share Posted February 25, 2017 3 hours ago, crumbs said: Well said, @Docteur Qui. That said, I'd really love a resurgence of percussion in TLJ. I really missed the snare drums in TFA... can't even think of a cue that features them. It's my dream before I die to hear alternate Resistance March with snares and cymbal crashes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted February 25, 2017 Share Posted February 25, 2017 That's cheesy! The Resistance March is lean as fuck! Like a bullet! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 4,640 Posted February 25, 2017 Share Posted February 25, 2017 4 hours ago, Quintus said: YouTube just recommended this to me, I haven't watched it yet so not sure if it tells you anything you didn't already know: Its okay. The guy assumes from the tweet mentioning Johnson is editing to Williams's music was fact. Given that it now looks like the tweet was nothing but pure speculation, I am not sure of the point of the video. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerebral Cortex 3,357 Posted February 25, 2017 Share Posted February 25, 2017 Q: How is John Williams scoring The Last Jedi? A: Chances are, very well. Disco Stu 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted February 25, 2017 Share Posted February 25, 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loert 2,510 Posted February 25, 2017 Share Posted February 25, 2017 Q: How is John Williams scoring The Last Jedi? A: He's "doing the best he can." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,508 Posted February 26, 2017 Share Posted February 26, 2017 The question that I have (please forgive, if it's been asked, already) is...why is he scoring it a full ten months in advance, how will the score change in p-p, and will he be able to rescore, if necessary? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,305 Posted February 26, 2017 Share Posted February 26, 2017 Well, presumably: The Last Jedi: Sessions until April/May Kidnapping of Edgardo Mortara: Writing and recording between May - Aug The Last Jedi: Pick-ups in Sept/Oct Ready Player One: Writing and recording between Nov '17 - Feb '18 Followed by a well-earned break for most of 2018 (before Indy 5). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,508 Posted February 26, 2017 Share Posted February 26, 2017 He's done a mans job, sir. Indy 5. Forgive me if I don't put out the bunting Isn't there a rumour going around Hollywood, that he's taking over from Thomas Newman, for Sirocco, which is due for release in October, '18? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 4,640 Posted February 26, 2017 Share Posted February 26, 2017 2 hours ago, Richard said: The question that I have (please forgive, if it's been asked, already) is...why is he scoring it a full ten months in advance, how will the score change in p-p, and will he be able to rescore, if necessary? All of us are just wildly speculating, but here is another wild speculation. Johnson began editing the film in August. There is a good chance Williams is scoring a near-final edit. Any other film would require no more than 3 months of editing and be locked. It is just that SW has a weird release date that there is more time between post-production and release. Accustomed to Lucas's and JJ's indecisiveness, people here are assuming any director would keep making substantial edits over that period, which would affect the score. Maybe Johnson is not Lucas or JJ (or maybe he is, again, just speculating). toothless 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,305 Posted February 26, 2017 Share Posted February 26, 2017 Everything I've read about Johnson and editing indicates that he doesn't subscribe to the JJ school of endless tinkering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted February 26, 2017 Share Posted February 26, 2017 But what if Disney orders reshoots? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,305 Posted February 26, 2017 Share Posted February 26, 2017 There will almost certainly be pick-ups in October. It's probably already penciled in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muad'Dib 1,801 Posted February 26, 2017 Share Posted February 26, 2017 3 hours ago, Richard said: Isn't there a rumour going around Hollywood, that he's taking over from Thomas Newman, for Sirocco, which is due for release in October, '18? Joke? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,508 Posted February 26, 2017 Share Posted February 26, 2017 Joke? A story with a humorous climax. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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