What to expect from Episode VIII's Score?

[Jay 37,287]

7 minutes ago, BloodBoal said:

 

Wasn't he (Joseph) credited for the source cues somewhere (apart from the Wiki page I just linked to), though? I'm not saying it's true, just that I remember reading that somewhere else... Maybe it was actually here, at JWFAN. A member spreading lies... Stiff?

 

His official PDF at Gorfaine Schwartz (which seems to be down at the moment) had an error on it that lists his AOTC cue ("Cafe sequence") twice, once under AOTC and once under TPM.  You may be thinking of that.

 

John definitely wrote the TPM source music.

[BloodBoal 7,538]

6 minutes ago, Jay said:

His official PDF at Gorfaine Schwartz (which seems to be down at the moment) had an error on it that lists his AOTC cue ("Cafe sequence") twice, once under AOTC and once under TPM.  You may be thinking of that.

 

Maybe, yes.

[crumbs 14,301]

Exciting news! Female singer listed under the music department for TLJ, as part of an ensemble!

http://m.imdb.com/name/nm8849878/filmotype/music_department?ref_=m_nmfm_1

 

Also performed on Rogue One, La La Land and many other films but no previous collaborations with Williams. Her credits are quite specific regarding contributions to each film (ensemble, soprano, trio, soloist, etc.) so this is an exciting development if accurate.

 

Wonder if she had anything to do the choir on Spielberg/Williams Vol 3?

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

10 minutes ago, crumbs said:

 

Also performed on Rogue One, La La Land and many other films but no previous collaborations with Williams. Her credits are quite specific regarding contributions to each film (ensemble, soprano, trio, soloist, etc.) so this is an exciting development if accurate.

 

100% confirmed! Michael Giacchino to replace Williams on The Last Jedi!

[crumbs 14,301]

Has he already taken over and Disney just haven't gotten around to writing the press release?

 

Someone should tweet this singer and ask! Also, if she performed a choir rendition of Rey's Theme with solo cello!

[BloodBoal 7,538]

31 minutes ago, crumbs said:

Exciting news! Female singer listed under the music department for TLJ, as part of an ensemble!

http://m.imdb.com/name/nm8849878/filmotype/music_department?ref_=m_nmfm_1

 

Also performed on Rogue One, La La Land

 

So, Another Rey Of Sun?

[Alex 2,833]

City of Clouds, are you floating just for me? 🎵

[John 2,032]

It's another day of sun!

[Not Mr. Big 4,639]

http://boards.theforce.net/threads/john-williams-to-score-star-wars-episode-viii.50041407/page-12#post-54356645

 

[Cerebral Cortex 3,357]

Good. Those horns on the opening notes of TFA were hilariously weak. 

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

I must be the only one who thought it was fine

[Will 2,215]

I didn't have any issue with it either. But I'm still really happy to get a new recording, of course. 

[Disco Stu 15,495]

Good news.  I'd much rather each film have its own main title recording.  Gives each score a greater sense of separate character.

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

I'll never understand why they didn't redo them for the latter 2 prequels. 

[Disco Stu 15,495]

I mean, they were made during one of the most prolific periods of Williams' career.  He was stretched so thinly from 2001-2005.  But it doesn't seem like it would have added all that much in terms of cost or time to just record again each time.

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

It's 90 seconds of music, come on!

[artguy360 1,843]

I think the re-using of the main title from Ep1 was less a JW decision and more a money-saving GL decision. 

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

Oh I'm sure. Only an emotional autist would decide to do that though.

[Disco Stu 15,495]

That's the assumption.  Just such a weird random thing to skimp on

[John 2,032]

I'm always wondering; is that a harmonica at the end of the main titles on the TPM and AOTC OSTs?

[BloodBoal 7,538]

1 hour ago, Cerebral Cortex said:

Good. Those horns on the opening notes of TFA were hilariously weak. 

 

[Cerebral Cortex 3,357]

Jesus Christ. 

[Alex 2,833]

2 hours ago, BloodBoal said:

 

 

I love this website

[Disco Stu 15,495]

Who is that?  They have to be a JWFan member.

[Cerebral Cortex 3,357]

It's Old Man Bloodboal, up once again to his clever Photoshop tricks!

[Disco Stu 15,495]

Not a bad idea though!  Pretty limited appeal for a parody Twitter account but those are my favorite kind!

[Alex 2,833]

There's a Hans Zimmer parody account but all the tweets are by Lorne Balfe and Geoff Zanelli 

[Disco Stu 15,495]

1 minute ago, Alex said:

There's a Hans Zimmer parody account but all the tweets are by Lorne Balfe and Geoff Zanelli 

 

Link?

[Alex 2,833]

6 minutes ago, Disco Stu said:

 

Link?

 

It was a Hans Zimmer/ghostwriter joke, but clearly not a very good one haha 🙈

[Dixon Hill 4,233]

Hans Zimmer does not employ ghostwriters.

[Disco Stu 15,495]

Clearly the joke was off the widespread misconception that he does.  Only an idiot thinks Zimmer doesn't credit where credit is due.

[mrbellamy 6,272]

1 hour ago, TheGreyPilgrim said:

Hans Zimmer does not employ ghostwriters.

 

[crumbs 14,301]

I'm surprised Rian answered that question about the Main Titles (given it was one of the lingering questions we all had about VIII's score) but glad to hear Williams did a new recording. I've a feeling that opening note will sound quite different this time.

 

Hopefully they adjusted the recording setup and JW conducted it this time. I much prefer each film having their own recording; gives each score a different character.

[Drew 590]

5 hours ago, JohnSolo said:

I'm always wondering; is that a harmonica at the end of the main titles on the TPM and AOTC OSTs?

 

More likely it's some combination of woodwinds.

[Manakin Skywalker 4,891]

2 minutes ago, Drew said:

 

More likely it's some combination of woodwinds.

That's actually a set of trumpets.

[Dixon Hill 4,233]

The classic gesture that always concludes the opening titles?  Muted trumpets, clarinets, oboes, flutes an octave up....

[Drew 590]

I'm glad they're recording a new one. As said before, it makes each film and score more unique. I'm guessing that Lucas was so obsessed with uniformity that he wanted all the prequels to sound the same. Wouldn't be the last time he tracked music from an earlier episode for that reason.

 

I like the TFA recording, apart from some glaring issues. The first note is weak and the horns are way too loud at 0:15. The horns are supposed to be loud during the second phrase at 0:24 but they're actually softer.

[crumbs 14,301]

I don't hate the TFA version but I found it distracting when I first saw the film.

 

My musical theory isn't strong enough to explain exactly why it doesn't "feel" right, but there was a great breakdown on Star Wars Oxygen (and clearly a lot of people took issue with it; even Red Letter Media noted the opening note felt wrong but ultimately speculated it was the lack of 20th Century Fox fanfare preceding it).

 

I think it has a lot more to do with the recording than the performance (note the very distant brass at 0.02 compared to the LSO recordings). We can't disregard another conductor's idiosyncrasies either; Dudamel's a fantastic interpreter of Williams but nobody understands Star Wars music like Williams himself.

 

After listening to The Lost World on repeat lately, I'd love it if the brass in TLJ more closely reflected that recording. It's too close, dry and loud throughout TFA for my liking (clearly intentional, just not my cup of tea).

[Alex 2,833]

I wonder if JW conducted (the main titles) this time or whether he brought in Gustavo Dudamel again

[mrbellamy 6,272]

4 hours ago, crumbs said:

I don't hate the TFA version but I found it distracting when I first saw the film.

 

My musical theory isn't strong enough to explain exactly why it doesn't "feel" right, but there was a great breakdown on Star Wars Oxygen (and clearly a lot of people took issue with it; even Red Letter Media noted the opening note felt wrong but ultimately speculated it was the lack of 20th Century Fox fanfare preceding it).

 

I think it has a lot more to do with the recording than the performance (note the very distant brass at 0.02 compared to the LSO recordings). We can't disregard another conductor's idiosyncrasies either; Dudamel's a fantastic interpreter of Williams but nobody understands Star Wars music like Williams himself.

 

After listening to The Lost World on repeat lately, I'd love it if the brass in TLJ more closely reflected that recording. It's too close, dry and loud throughout TFA for my liking (clearly intentional, just not my cup of tea).

 

There's something about it that makes it sound like the brass are overblowing or something. Kinda reminds me of a mono recording sometimes. It had this sorta cool old-school novelty at first but it's worn a little thin for me.

 

Like I dunno if it's recording, performance, composition/orchestration, or what, but much as I admire it I still find myself nitpicking at things in TFA in a way that I don't with his others, including other recent ones like BFG. Even tracks that I love, like something about how this lone horn note sounds after the sforzando...I dunno what it is, it just reminds me of that pinched sound when I couldn't sustain a high note or ran out of breath:

 

 

There's some other balance stuff, like how much louder the horns are than the trumpets on the Luke's theme variation. It just sounds a bit strange or at least just different to other Williams scores, but I don't know if I'm crazy or what.

[crumbs 14,301]

There was definitely a conscious creative decision to make TFA sound very dry accoustically.

 

Hopefully TLJ moves back to Murphy's recording setup from the prequels. Everything felt even and balanced; the brass didn't sound like each instrument had the microphone shoved deep in the bell. I love the 'concert hall' feeling of TPM; it's like classical music in parts. The score sounded bigger and more grandiose (probably because of the larger scoring stage).

 

Perhaps it's a contributing factor to re-recording Main Title; the score is accoustically different and they want every cue to match. Or maybe, now he's back on his feet, Williams is just too much of a perfectionist to invite other conductors to the podium this time.

[Disco Stu 15,495]

You want them to sound more like the prequels, you want Williams to use choir like in the prequels.  You just want a prequel score! 

[crumbs 14,301]

Well, a blend of the OT and PT. I could do without the Grievous/Rathtars percussion stuff though.

[Disco Stu 15,495]

What's kind of funny is that "Finn's Confession" gives us a direct point of comparison for the recordings of TFA and TPM!  

[BloodBoal 7,538]

What we need is everything that was good in the OT and the PT and nothing that was bad in those!

[Jay 37,287]

On 5/29/2017 at 2:28 PM, Disco Stu said:

Good news.  I'd much rather each film have its own main title recording.  Gives each score a greater sense of separate character.

 

This!

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

4 hours ago, BloodBoal said:

What we need is everything that was good in the OT and the PT and nothing that was bad in those!

 

Brilliant!

[SafeUnderHill 205]

[Disco Stu 15,495]

No thanks.  Never been as big a fan of that as others.  I'm very glad the sound of the new trilogy isn't so... overbearing.

[Cerebral Cortex 3,357]

26 minutes ago, SafeUnderHill said:

 

Here you go

 

Episode 8 Ideal Score

 

I was actually thinking something more like this...