Sharkissimo 1,973 Posted November 27, 2013 Share Posted November 27, 2013 Question for The Horse: are those trumpets with Harmon mutes at 4:41 in Balin's Tomb? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,232 Posted November 27, 2013 Share Posted November 27, 2013 Sure sounds like it to me. Don't know what other mutes would produce such a thin, nasal tone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Ware 525 Posted November 27, 2013 Share Posted November 27, 2013 Thin and nasal seems to be a recurring acoustic in Balin's Tomb - this follows on from the stopped horns and bowed cymbals earlier in the piece. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kühni 485 Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,326 Posted January 17, 2015 Share Posted January 17, 2015 What instrument is playing at 4:54-5:02 of Gandalf the White? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,232 Posted January 17, 2015 Share Posted January 17, 2015 Celli and basses with low winds. Marimba, log drums. Check out Doug's book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,326 Posted January 17, 2015 Share Posted January 17, 2015 I understand that there are strings (Celli) and the percussion, I am wondering what the wind instrument/instruments are/is could it be a bassoon?Doug's book mentions Celli, contrabass and percussion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,232 Posted January 17, 2015 Share Posted January 17, 2015 Yes bassoons and contrabassoon. Don't think there are any bass clarinets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gnome in Plaid 219 Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 Not sure this is the right thread to ask, but I've got a couple of questions about "Caras Galadhon." Here's a quote from Shore's DVD commentary that coincides with Gandalf's Lament: "And then there was instrumental soloists of the ney flutes, the African flutes, and the rhaita, and there was an Indian instrument called a sarangi, which was a solo instrument used in Lothlórien." 1. I don't hear any of the mentioned instruments. Maybe I'm just not picking up the flutes, but there's no way there's a rhaita in there (I have a rhaita - it's an instrument with two dynamics: "fortissimo" and "not playing it.") Is there a version of Gandalf's Lament with additional instruments besides the sarangi? If so, are they restored in the LTP? 2. What specific "African flutes?" Unless I missed it, there's no mention of them in the annotated scores or Doug's book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,713 Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 37 minutes ago, Gnome in Plaid said: Not sure this is the right thread to ask, but I've got a couple of questions about "Caras Galadhon." Here's a quote from Shore's DVD commentary that coincides with Gandalf's Lament: "And then there was instrumental soloists of the ney flutes, the African flutes, and the rhaita, and there was an Indian instrument called a sarangi, which was a solo instrument used in Lothlórien." 1. I don't hear any of the mentioned instruments. Maybe I'm just not picking up the flutes, but there's no way there's a rhaita in there (I have a rhaita - it's an instrument with two dynamics: "fortissimo" and "not playing it.") Is there a version of Gandalf's Lament with additional instruments besides the sarangi? If so, are they restored in the LTP? 2. What specific "African flutes?" Unless I missed it, there's no mention of them in the annotated scores or Doug's book. I think Shore is speaking on general level, not scene specficially when he lists the instruments there in the commentary meaning the whole score not Gandalf's Lament. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 Yep. The only instrument he mentions as being specifically used in the Lothlorien sequence is the sarangi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gnome in Plaid 219 Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 Reading the full quote Quote I wanted the score to have a feeling of a cast and certain people were cast for certain scenes. Elizabeth Fraser has such a wonderful voice and Fran suggested her and I thought she would be a wonderful singer for Gandalf's Lament. Gandalf’s Lament is a song that the Elves sing and you wanted that to feel as if that was being sung in Lothlórien. You wanted to feel that was real and that the Elves were singing this piece. And it’s in a two part counterpoint, Gandalf’s Lament. It’s the choir, it’s somewhat of a call and answer type of form. And then there was instrumental soloists of the ney flutes, the African flutes, and the rhaita, and there was an Indian instrument called a sarangi, which was a solo instrument used in Lothlórien. I'm not sure it rules out Lothlorien having a rhaita. The African flutes are still a mystery though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,713 Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 I am certain we would have heard if rhaita had been involved. It's not one to hide its beautiful voice in the textures. I still maintain that Shore is jumping from one thought to the next and refering to the film as a whole with the last sentence, mentioning sarangi last and connecting only that with Lothlorien. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 Scholars will be debating those points for centuries to come. Great forums will be organised to establish a doctrine according to the words and teachings of The Shore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,713 Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 3 minutes ago, Stefancos said: Scholars will be debating those points for centuries to come. Great forums will be organised to establish a doctrine according to the words and teachings of The Shore. Or they just release the sheet music and we'll have look at it this ourselves. BAM! End of story and debate! Gnome in Plaid and SafeUnderHill 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 But is that sheet music a faithful reproduction of the pencil sketches made by the hand of The Shore himself? Mistakes could have been made by a sloppy copyist, working late at night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,249 Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 Sorry Gnome but you're wrong and not understanding what he's saying properly. He's not saying there's a rhaita in Lothlorien. He's talking about the whole score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Ware 525 Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 Gnome in Plaid 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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