Dev Ahuja 1 Posted March 7, 2016 Share Posted March 7, 2016 I am a 5th grader and I am playing Fawkes The Phoenix in band class. We have noticed that the time signature is 3/4 and the first note is a pickup note. But, in the last measure, there are 3 beats!!! This is an error! Gruesome Son of a Bitch 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,254 Posted March 7, 2016 Share Posted March 7, 2016 Ok. curlytoot 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 7, 2016 Share Posted March 7, 2016 So now what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted March 7, 2016 Share Posted March 7, 2016 Now we sue Williams! Gruesome Son of a Bitch 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jilal 569 Posted March 7, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted March 7, 2016 ROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSSSSSSSSSSS! MikeH, crumbs, Gruesome Son of a Bitch and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkissimo 1,973 Posted March 7, 2016 Share Posted March 7, 2016 1 hour ago, Dev Ahuja said: I am a 5th grader and I am playing Fawkes The Phoenix in band class. We have noticed that the time signature is 3/4 and the first note is a pickup note. But, in the last measure, there are 3 beats!!! This is an error! "Thank you for pointing this out to me, Mr. Ahuja. I'll order the immediate withdrawal of all my piano sheet music from print. You're welcome" - JTW The Psycho Pianist and Gruesome Son of a Bitch 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,792 Posted March 7, 2016 Share Posted March 7, 2016 William Ross fault indeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete 902 Posted March 8, 2016 Share Posted March 8, 2016 It's the fault of the arrangers listed. Doesn't affect the music at all, but I imagine it's the kind of mistake that would make the difference between an A+ grade and a regular A grade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loert 2,509 Posted March 8, 2016 Share Posted March 8, 2016 As you can see, Williams is absolutely horrified by this terrible news. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,232 Posted March 8, 2016 Share Posted March 8, 2016 Where's the error? curlytoot 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkissimo 1,973 Posted March 8, 2016 Share Posted March 8, 2016 Props for playing the bass clarinet tho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curlytoot 97 Posted March 8, 2016 Share Posted March 8, 2016 I don't see an error... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muad'Dib 1,800 Posted March 8, 2016 Share Posted March 8, 2016 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,713 Posted March 8, 2016 Share Posted March 8, 2016 Looks like Michael Story and Robert W. Smith have some explaining to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,232 Posted March 8, 2016 Share Posted March 8, 2016 3 hours ago, Sharky said: Props for playing the bass clarinet tho. And in 5th grade no less. Rock on. Sharkissimo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricard 2,242 Posted March 8, 2016 Share Posted March 8, 2016 16 hours ago, Stefancos said: So now what? 16 hours ago, BloodBoal said: Now we sue Williams! 16 hours ago, Alexander said: ROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSSSSSSSSSSS! 12 hours ago, loert423 said: As you can see, Williams is absolutely horrified by this terrible news. 5-year-old kind-of responses to a 10-year-old kid? Not fair! Joni Wiljami 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,452 Posted March 8, 2016 Share Posted March 8, 2016 Agreed. That somehow didn't sit right with me. Joking around is 95% of what this place is about, I get that, but perhaps look at who you're talking to first. I want to salute Dev for coming here and posting about his discovery. I don't know anything about music in a technical sense, but awesome that you play the bass clarinet! Keep it up! Once and Cerebral Cortex 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,034 Posted March 8, 2016 Share Posted March 8, 2016 Thanks for posting, Dev! This is probably the arranger or engraver's doing, since the piece doesn't normally start that way. But there is a tendency in film music to sometimes ignore conventions like these. One of the things you'll find about music (and life in general) as you continue to grow is that a lot of "rules" are actually more like guidelines. It's important to understand them and be able to follow them, but from time to time, there's a good reason to break them. Welcome to the forum, and good luck! This is a pretty silly place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted March 8, 2016 Share Posted March 8, 2016 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joni Wiljami 1,206 Posted March 8, 2016 Share Posted March 8, 2016 And technically this kid is right. There should be only one quarter rest in the last bar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightscape94 965 Posted March 8, 2016 Share Posted March 8, 2016 It's not technically an error. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,232 Posted March 8, 2016 Share Posted March 8, 2016 1 hour ago, hornist said: And technically this kid is right. There should be only one quarter rest in the last bar. As far as I've ever experienced, that would only be the case if you were meant to return to the start of the piece when you reached the end, like a hymn or something. Otherwise, what difference does it make? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joni Wiljami 1,206 Posted March 8, 2016 Share Posted March 8, 2016 It doesn't make any difference but technically he is right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,232 Posted March 8, 2016 Share Posted March 8, 2016 But... how? If a piece begins within a bar, so be it. And if it ends within a bar, so be it. Why should those correspond unless, again, it's a melodic line that repeats itself? I've never heard of this notation convention before, at least not applied to large-scale pieces like this. What sense does it make that I'm missing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted March 8, 2016 Share Posted March 8, 2016 I don't quite see the error myself to be honest. The end of the piece is indicated in the last bar without any repeat, so there is no reason it should account for the pickup beat at the beginning of the piece. With that, welcome to JWFan Dev! Hope you stick around, even though it can be really crazy around here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Marian Schedenig 8,153 Posted March 8, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted March 8, 2016 4 hours ago, Datameister said: Welcome to the forum, and good luck! This is a pretty silly place. Once, Cerebral Cortex, karelm and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loert 2,509 Posted March 8, 2016 Share Posted March 8, 2016 The last bar should have 2 crotchet rests, not 3. This is so that the first and last bar add together to create a whole bar. It's actually something I remember quite vividly from when we had whole-class music lessons in primary school, because of how weird I think it is. If a pickup bar in a 4/4 piece has 1 beat, does that mean that a soloist playing the piece can get up and bow after three beats on the final bar? Or if the pickup bar has three beats, is one beat enough? Or 5 beats? Surely the audience would just assume the last bar would have 4 beats since the piece is in that meter? And although it would make sense if there's a repeat sign there, it still doesn't solve this "problem" when the repeat is used up...you still end up with a cut-off final bar. I'm glad I'm not the only one on here who doesn't see much an issue with the score... Oh, btw, welcome to the forum Dev. Cerebral Cortex 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karelm 2,901 Posted March 8, 2016 Share Posted March 8, 2016 Dev is right. Though a minor detail and considered archaic and superfluous, it is part of the rules and the ABRSM royal college music theory test that the beats should add up so a pick up is borrowing a beat from the end. "If there is a pickup measure, the final measure of the piece should be shortened by the length of the pickup measure (although this rule is sometimes ignored in less formal written music). " from the Art of Music Engraving (Music Prep guideline reference). So it can be ignored but you were right. Good job. Joni Wiljami 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post nightscape94 965 Posted March 8, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted March 8, 2016 First the Oscar loss and now this? 20 minutes ago, karelm said: ...this rule is sometimes ignored in less formal written music "Those bourgeoisie pricks." Score, Loert and karelm 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted March 8, 2016 Share Posted March 8, 2016 I have no idea what's going on in this thread, but it sure looks like a lot of fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 8, 2016 Share Posted March 8, 2016 It's ridiculously fun! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted March 8, 2016 Share Posted March 8, 2016 Hehehe... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Score 770 Posted March 8, 2016 Share Posted March 8, 2016 2 hours ago, karelm said: " (although this rule is sometimes ignored in less formal written music). " Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 8, 2016 Share Posted March 8, 2016 So Williams is essentially a chav? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,232 Posted March 8, 2016 Share Posted March 8, 2016 My teacher never told me about these strictures of notation! That's why I'm a failure... I'll be making an angry phone call to him tonight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scarpia 132 Posted March 9, 2016 Share Posted March 9, 2016 It's an older rule, Dev, but it checks out. Nice catch. Keep up your keen eye on music scores, and welcome to the forum! Dixon Hill and Cerebral Cortex 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted March 9, 2016 Share Posted March 9, 2016 I think it's awesome he's doing JW Harry Potter music in the 5th grade. I was in band around that age playing clarinet and before I dropped out because my canker sores were exploding, I kept getting pissed we weren't doing any Williams or Star Trek music. Fuckin' teacher hated me. "Can we do the TIE Fighter Attack?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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