#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 13, 2016 Share Posted March 13, 2016 On Dutchy TV right now there's a film music concert, dedicated to Williams, and in its Star Wars suite there's Whats essentially a concert version of the Force Theme. Sounds like its kind of based on the TFA trailer music version of the theme. It's played to images from that film too. About 7 minutes in length, and by the sound of it NOT an arrangement made by Williams. Anyone encountered this arrangement before? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loert 2,511 Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 Well, it's not Williams, that's for sure. Interesting nevertheless. Thanks for posting! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 14, 2016 Author Share Posted March 14, 2016 Oh it's absolutely not Williams. Or i'll eat my shoe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red 75 Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 After listening to that, I'm not sure the force theme should have a concert arrangement. It's weird. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justaguy 68 Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 Very disappointing. Too bad they didn't bother to play Rey's Theme or something new from The Force Awakens, instead playing some hideous arrangement of Force Theme mixed with material that was not even in Star Wars. Thank you for posting! Not Mr. Big and Taikomochi 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 4 minutes ago, zaddini said: Very disappointing. Too bad they didn't bother to play Rey's Theme or something new from The Force Awakens, instead playing some hideous arrangement of Force Theme mixed with material that was not even in Star Wars. Thank you for posting! The actual TFA music isn't nearly epic enough so they had to write something from scratch. Once 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artguy360 1,843 Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 So yeah, that arrangement has convinced me that the Force Theme should never get a concert arrangement. I like that JW has always kept it a motif, it carries more impact that way. Whatever this arrangement was going for just sounds off, especially with all that non-JW supporting music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 I'm sure Williams could write a great concert arrangement of the Force Theme That video is kind of like those Final Fantasy concerts loosely based on the themes I wonder if Williams has to "approve" it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gnome in Plaid 219 Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 Can anybody else here hint's at Rey's Theme in some of the background? 1 hour ago, artguy360 said: So yeah, that arrangement has convinced me that the Force Theme should never get a concert arrangement. I like that JW has always kept it a motif, it carries more impact that way. Whatever this arrangement was going for just sounds off, especially with all that non-JW supporting music. Hearing a bad arrangement only makes me want a true Force Theme concert suite even more (although I personally see ROTS as one giant exploration of the Force Theme). 9 minutes ago, king mark said: I'm sure Williams could write a great concert arrangement of the Force Theme That video is kind of like those Final Fantasy concerts loosely based on the themes I wonder if Williams has to "approve" it Based on this and the plethora of really crappy band arrangements, I'm going with, no, he does not have to approve it. Some of those band arrangements are nightmarishly bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 14, 2016 Author Share Posted March 14, 2016 ROTS has loads of renditions of The Force theme, but none of them really all that interesting. It actually made the theme feel stale and overused. TFA seems to have reinvigorated it. artguy360 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUlyssesian 2,477 Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 A concert version would be inappropriate because like others say, it IS infact a motif. It is short and has just 4 phrases, there is no interlude or bridge so to say and a new one would have to be written to play it at any great length. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 14, 2016 Author Share Posted March 14, 2016 5 minutes ago, TheUlyssesian said: A concert version would be inappropriate because like others say, it IS infact a motif. It is short and has just 4 phrases, there is no interlude or bridge so to say and a new one would have to be written to play it at any great length. It's just a motif? What? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 crumbs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 14, 2016 Author Share Posted March 14, 2016 Isn't the Indiana Jones theme just 4 phrases? A lot of themes are? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Breathmask 555 Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 This was weird. Boring trailerish arrangement. It also came out of nowhere, starting right after a performance of The Imperial March. It was the only piece not to get an introduction. If they wanted to include something from TFA, they should have played Rey's Theme! The rest of the concert was quite good though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 14, 2016 Author Share Posted March 14, 2016 If they played Rey's theme or anything else from TFA I would have probably just kicked myself from not attending. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUlyssesian 2,477 Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 42 minutes ago, Stefancos said: Isn't the Indiana Jones theme just 4 phrases? A lot of themes are? It of course has an interlude/bridge. You COULD do a concert version of a "theme" let's say just 4 phrases but say it takes only 20 seconds, how would you fill 3 minutes with just that identity. You would need a bridge or interlude to prop it up (I am using these words as a layman, I dunno what the musical terms for these things are). Otherwise its just repeating the 4 phrases again and again. Like the famous Shire theme. It cannot have a stand alone concert suite (atleast I haven't heard one) in its original form because there's not enough material to fill out the length of a concert suite. Before you kick in your disdain, let me say that I am not in the least musically educated and am only a listener. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 2 minutes ago, TheUlyssesian said: Like the famous Shire theme. It cannot have a stand alone concert suite (atleast I haven't heard one) in its original form because there's not enough material to fill out the length of a concert suite. Concerning Hobbits is basically a concert suite of the theme (even if technically, yes, it's a film cue, it can definitely be seen as a concert version of the theme). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 Yeah, odd example; it has a bridge, interludes and all that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 14, 2016 Author Share Posted March 14, 2016 Indeed! Williams, if he wanted could probably whip up a brilliant 4 minute concert version of The Force Theme which would kick this "trailerized" version's ass back to Hoth! I've never had any particular need to have a concert version of The Force Theme though. Williams has had loads of versions of it over the years. Pretty sure it's his most used theme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Breathmask 555 Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 This arrangement has all the hallmarks of trailer arrangements. The thick orchestration, the clunky percussion hits, nothing to suggest anything of complexity. It's an odd choice to play this. If you're going to devote half your concert to Williams and half of that to Star Wars, because you like it so much, at least play Williams... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 4,651 Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 I think Williams intends the extended throne room piece to be the concert version of the force theme. It is over four minutes longs, has bridges, interludes, etc, and it awesome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkissimo 1,973 Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 The Force Theme can't handle a concert arrangement not because it's a motif (it's not), but because it doesn't have a B section. There's no contrasting material, no exposition. So one has to generate that, as this arranger has. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 14, 2016 Author Share Posted March 14, 2016 I actually first thought they were playing one of the trailer cues. The problem with this type of music is that it doesn't really translate well to a live orchestra performance. Especially a highly talented, but small ensemble like the Metropole Orchestra. For this type of arrangement to work it needs amplified drums a big sampled orchestra sound and most of all the EPIC Choir Of The Apocalypse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loert 2,511 Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 What I find strange is that they couldn't even get the notes of the Force Theme right! (FD FD D instead of FD AF D, as an example) I don't think Williams will be happy... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 14, 2016 Author Share Posted March 14, 2016 FD FD D sounds way more epic man! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 Sounds like Parseltongue! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aj_vader 534 Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 I've just got the signature edition score book and The Jedi Steps (Concert Version) doesn't have the Force Theme in it from first look anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Breathmask 555 Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 Mind you, this wasn't billed as a The Force Theme suite. It was billed as "The Force Awakens - Star Wars". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 14, 2016 Author Share Posted March 14, 2016 Who did those trailer music adaptations again? Maybe they are responsible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 Cerebral Cortex 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 Lolz dis song is so EPIK!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 14, 2016 Author Share Posted March 14, 2016 See! The young generation of JWfans love it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 A generation? All concentrated in KK? Once 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 KK is the voice of that new generation, for better... and for worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 14, 2016 Author Share Posted March 14, 2016 Ofcourse! He represents the future! Him and JWfan2227 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 Nah. Jwfan2234 is the new new generation. Cerebral Cortex 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 Luv dis. Film musik needs moar epik feelz and phat beatz!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 14, 2016 Author Share Posted March 14, 2016 Word bruv! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 14, 2016 Author Share Posted March 14, 2016 Thru dat! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 Start speaking lingo I can understand you youthful hooligans!!! Once and Cerebral Cortex 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Gnome in Plaid 219 Posted March 14, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted March 14, 2016 13 hours ago, Stefancos said: ROTS has loads of renditions of The Force theme, but none of them really all that interesting. WHAAAT? Sharkissimo, Taikomochi and Cerebral Cortex 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 14, 2016 Author Share Posted March 14, 2016 Meh.... It seems to have too many bells and whistles in ROTS, which is a score full of all kinds of patina. For me the Force Theme works better in simpler, more direct renditions. Without being smothered in piccolo runs or xylophone hits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted March 15, 2016 Share Posted March 15, 2016 8 hours ago, Stefancos said: Meh.... It seems to have too many bells and whistles in ROTS, which is a score full of all kinds of patina. For me the Force Theme works better in simpler, more direct renditions. Without being smothered in piccolo runs or xylophone hits. I think you are unduly connecting the bells and whistles on display throughout the score with the renditions of the Force Theme, which is actually very inventively used throughout the score and given great variety which revivifies it immensely. Once and Arpy 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted March 15, 2016 Share Posted March 15, 2016 Stefancos, I think you're confusing your personal opinion for fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted March 15, 2016 Share Posted March 15, 2016 Yeah, he often does that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 15, 2016 Author Share Posted March 15, 2016 1 hour ago, RPurton said: Stefancos, I think you're confusing your personal opinion for fact. No, I think thats what you are doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted March 15, 2016 Share Posted March 15, 2016 I think people here are generally confused, addled and befuddled. I like it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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