Lockdown 238 Posted April 14, 2016 Share Posted April 14, 2016 I swear that this Prokofiev theme was referenced in Harry Potter or something. I just can't think of what the heck it is. Correct me if I'm wrong, but does someone else here it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,713 Posted April 14, 2016 Share Posted April 14, 2016 Care to be more specific. Time stamps maybe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,232 Posted April 14, 2016 Share Posted April 14, 2016 See also Sibelius' violin concerto for the origin of that one really sweet tune from the Potter scores. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lockdown 238 Posted April 14, 2016 Author Share Posted April 14, 2016 30 minutes ago, Incanus said: Care to be more specific. Time stamps maybe? The main theme, it's the first thing you hear in the violin solo. 1:10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,713 Posted April 14, 2016 Share Posted April 14, 2016 Hmmm doesn't ring a bell conjunction with Williams' Harry Potter scores. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loert 2,510 Posted April 14, 2016 Share Posted April 14, 2016 Actually, the first thing I thought of was "The Secret of the Scrolls" from Tintin: Josh500 and Score 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted April 14, 2016 Share Posted April 14, 2016 Funnily enough, I just saw an orchestra perform Prokofiev's Violin Concerto No. 2 in February. It was the Richmond Symphony orchestra with guest conductor Victor Yampolsky. Wonderful music. That central melody you referenced is at its most powerful when played on the double basses IMO. There's nothing quite like the rumble of double basses in a live performance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,300 Posted April 14, 2016 Share Posted April 14, 2016 38 minutes ago, Disco Stu said: Funnily enough, I just saw an orchestra perform Prokofiev's Violin Concerto No. 2 in February. It was the Richmond Symphony orchestra with guest conductor Victor Yampolsky. Wonderful music. That central melody you referenced is at its most powerful when played on the double basses IMO. There's nothing quite like the rumble of double basses in a live performance What about triple basses? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted April 14, 2016 Share Posted April 14, 2016 27 minutes ago, crumbs said: What about triple basses? Nothing's better than the octobass! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,037 Posted April 14, 2016 Share Posted April 14, 2016 Yeah, I can't think of anything on the Potter scores that's reminiscent of that melody. POA features some motivic material that revolves around three chromatic neighbors, much like the end of the first phrase of this melody...maybe that's what you're thinking of? And as loert pointed out, the first five notes are shared with the Unicorn theme from Tintin, albeit with a different rhythm... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,272 Posted April 14, 2016 Share Posted April 14, 2016 The Fury too The only thing in Potter that's vaguely similar is maybe the Chamber of Secrets theme? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt B 3 Posted April 14, 2016 Share Posted April 14, 2016 Could you be talking about Gilderoy Lockhart's theme from Chamber of Secrets? There is some similar phrasing... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joni Wiljami 1,206 Posted April 15, 2016 Share Posted April 15, 2016 On 14.4.2016 at 9:15 AM, TheGreyPilgrim said: See also Sibelius' violin concerto for the origin of that one really sweet tune from the Potter scores. Hmm interesting. Never noticed... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkissimo 1,973 Posted April 15, 2016 Share Posted April 15, 2016 Maybe you mean this little Hungarian minor figure? Like with the Prokofiev, the chromatic neighbour tones are the #4th and b6th. Jacck 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,792 Posted April 16, 2016 Share Posted April 16, 2016 Does not ring a bell from any HP score...nor anything by Williams that i'm aware of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TownerFan 4,983 Posted April 19, 2016 Share Posted April 19, 2016 On 14/04/2016 at 8:15 AM, TheGreyPilgrim said: See also Sibelius' violin concerto for the origin of that one really sweet tune from the Potter scores. I always thought the main theme of the Sibelius Violin Concerto sounded like the "City in the Clouds" melody in TESB https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M-P183jzdfw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightscape94 965 Posted April 19, 2016 Share Posted April 19, 2016 On Thursday, April 14, 2016 at 9:02 AM, Disco Stu said: Funnily enough, I just saw an orchestra perform Prokofiev's Violin Concerto No. 2 in February. And I just saw it a couple of weeks ago! On a bill with Tchaikovsky's "The Tempest" and Mendelssohn's 3rd symphony. Disco Stu 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gnome in Plaid 219 Posted April 20, 2016 Share Posted April 20, 2016 I can hear it perfectly. It was used in one of the first two scores, and I really want to say it was in a scene involving Dumbledore. It's been far too long since I've listened to any of the scores to remember exactly where it was used. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,713 Posted April 20, 2016 Share Posted April 20, 2016 4 hours ago, Gnome in Plaid said: I can hear it perfectly. It was used in one of the first two scores, and I really want to say it was in a scene involving Dumbledore. It's been far too long since I've listened to any of the scores to remember exactly where it was used. That doesn't cut it my good man! We want timestamps! Specifics to support your claim! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 On 4/19/2016 at 2:25 PM, nightscape94 said: And I just saw it a couple of weeks ago! On a bill with Tchaikovsky's "The Tempest" and Mendelssohn's 3rd symphony. Ha, when I saw it it was performed alongside Tchaikovsky's "Manfred" symphony. I have to say I greatly preferred the Prokofiev concerto. It had a real sense of being "alive" and dynamic compared to the Tchaikovsky symphony which could be quite plodding in places for me... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightscape94 965 Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 Yeah, the Manfred is the only symphony of his that I just can't get into. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacck 23 Posted April 22, 2016 Share Posted April 22, 2016 Yes, the modality is reminiscent of the Voldemort stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motivated Ahis 0 Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 I got an account just to reply to this thread. What you are talking about is(should be): #EDIT Sorry, I thought you meant the violin concerto by Sibelius. My bad... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 On 14/04/2016 at 8:02 AM, Lockdown said: I swear that this Prokofiev theme was referenced in Harry Potter or something. I just can't think of what the heck it is. Correct me if I'm wrong, but does someone else here it? I think I know what you're talking about. After the students arrive at Hogwarts for the first time in PS, John Williams utilities a solo violin to express the witch-like and somehow frightening character of Mcgonnagall. This short passage may have been inspired by Prokofiev, though the melody is not the same or even similar at all. Just the mood, or tone, is similar. 2:40 in this track: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Score 770 Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 The theme of Prokofiev's g minor Concerto is not literally quoted in the scores, but it is based on a sequence of notes that appear in some permutations in Voldemort's theme (also in the same key). Prokofiev's theme: G Bb D Eb C# D Voldemort's theme (the excerpt posted by Blanche Hudson above): D C# Eb C# D G in another instance of Voldemort's theme: Bb D G Bb C# D Eb D Bb G F# Bb G D Probably these are the examples you are thinking about. Jacck 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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