Disco Stu 15,495 Posted June 15, 2017 Share Posted June 15, 2017 My favorite review pull-quote: "It's like blending Capri Sun with absinthe." I think I've got to see this for myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,304 Posted June 15, 2017 Share Posted June 15, 2017 What are the odds, after seeing the reviews, Trevorrow starts citing the film as an 'intentionally satirical reflection of the genre' or something equally pretentious? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted June 15, 2017 Share Posted June 15, 2017 Disco Stu and A. A. Ron 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saulocf 79 Posted June 15, 2017 Share Posted June 15, 2017 This movie may cost Teverrow his chance of directing Star Wars 9. I wouldn't be to surprised if Ep 8 is great, Johnson returning for 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted June 15, 2017 Share Posted June 15, 2017 I'm trying not to get my hopes up in that regard. Kennedy seems to really like Trevorrow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saulocf 79 Posted June 15, 2017 Share Posted June 15, 2017 Gosh.. if they still go with Teverrow I will be very surprised. I mean, what has he done to deserve such an assignment. Sure "Safety not Guaranteed" was a good indie movie, more due to the actors than the direction, but ok. Than he got Jurassic World which was ok at best. Now he, with full control, directed a movie that is being panned across the board. While great directors are need of opportunities they give one o for the most anticipted movies ever tô an inexpiriences and amateur director. John 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted June 15, 2017 Share Posted June 15, 2017 2 hours ago, saulocf said: Than he got Jurassic World which was ok at best. "Ok" is exactly what they need. Especially if it helped rake in over a billion. 6 hours ago, crumbs said: Only early, but getting savaged by critics so far. https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/the_book_of_henry/ Someone please tell me why this increasingly mediocre director is responsible for writing and directing what will probably be John Williams' final Star Wars score? Oh jeez. Sounds like a terrible misfire all around. I just saw the trailer, seems quite conflicted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,310 Posted June 15, 2017 Share Posted June 15, 2017 But is the movie bad because it was directed poorly, or just written poorly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted June 15, 2017 Share Posted June 15, 2017 4 minutes ago, Jay said: But is the movie bad because it was directed poorly, or just written poorly? A good director can make a great movie out of a poor script! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saulocf 79 Posted June 15, 2017 Share Posted June 15, 2017 1 minute ago, Jay said: But is the movie bad because it was directed poorly, or just written poorly? Some reviews that I read really bash the directing. Saying that Teverrow could not bring any style to the movie and was not able to handle the scripts turns. At least most of the reviews praise the score. Saying that does other than Watts is the only thing keeping the movie together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,310 Posted June 15, 2017 Share Posted June 15, 2017 1 minute ago, BloodBoal said: A good director can make a great movie out of poor script! I don't think that's true. Maybe a great director can make a good movie out of a poor script, but what GREAT movies have poor scripts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saulocf 79 Posted June 15, 2017 Share Posted June 15, 2017 4 minutes ago, Jay said: I don't think that's true. Maybe a great director can make a good movie out of a poor script, but what GREAT movies have poor scripts? Avatar, Titanic, and almost all of James Cameron'a films Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,304 Posted June 15, 2017 Share Posted June 15, 2017 Aliens and Terminator might be genre fare but they have fantastic scripts. Joblo review: Quote THE BOOK OF HENRY really is Razzie-level bad, and a serious misfire for Trevorrow, who’ll still probably bounce back without too much effort once he plunges into STAR WARS: EPISODE IX (and he’ll do an OK job - one bad movie - even one as bad as this doesn’t automatically signal doom). It’s an awful curio that probably belongs on a “shelf of the dammed” next to movies like WINTER’S TALE and JUPITER ASCENDING. Hopefully it’ll get by without much notice, because this is truly one of the worst films I’ve seen in a good, long while. Yikes. The thing that irritates me most about Trevorrow is how pedestrian his direction is. Everything is so... mediocre, visually uninteresting, devoid of vision. It's like a logical computer directing a movie based on a series of formulas input by a marketing team, rather than an artist with a creative vision. I guess that's why he keeps getting gigs, because the Executives must love shit like that. Worse still, he's reuniting for Episode IX with that same bland cinematographer who made the visually sterile Jurassic World. Joy! saulocf 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saulocf 79 Posted June 15, 2017 Share Posted June 15, 2017 23 minutes ago, KK said: "Ok" is exactly what they need. Especially if it helped rake in over a billion. Also, this really pisses me off. I mean, Disney is taking risks by choosing Breaking Bad and Brick director Rian Johnson to direct episode 8. Why would they choose such a safe option for ep 9 if it is the one that will finish the trilogy. My guess (and hope) is that he will be fired by this time next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A. A. Ron 1,740 Posted June 15, 2017 Share Posted June 15, 2017 25 minutes ago, BloodBoal said: A good director can make a great movie out of a poor script! I actually agree. At the very least, a good director/production team can make a movie that a lot of people love, even if the script is terrible. 12 minutes ago, crumbs said: Aliens and Terminator might be genre fare but they have fantastic scripts. Having only just seen Terminator for the first time the other day, I can see how the dialogue and set pieces became so iconic, but I found the story so incredibly weak that I wondered if these now iconic lines may have come from a talented script doctor who was just trying to salvage the thing. Even with those lines, it was the direction and Ahnold's sense of presence that made the movie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post crumbs 14,304 Posted June 15, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted June 15, 2017 We also know that a great composer can create amazing scores for terrible films. Hell, if IX is a trainwreck, Williams might just throw his baton in the air and say, "to hell with restraint, Johnny Baby is going out with a bang!" and write a ROTS-esque score. John, A. A. Ron, MikeH and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saulocf 79 Posted June 15, 2017 Share Posted June 15, 2017 34 minutes ago, crumbs said: Aliens and Terminator might be genre fare but they have fantastic scripts. That is why I said "most of his movies". Titanic, Avatar, True Lies and Abyss have really ok to poor scripts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted June 15, 2017 Share Posted June 15, 2017 2 hours ago, Jay said: I don't think that's true. Maybe a great director can make a good movie out of a poor script, but what GREAT movies have poor scripts? A good director wouldn't sign on to a movie if it really was that bad. Or he/she would see the warning signs ahead of time and salvage something decent out of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,272 Posted June 15, 2017 Share Posted June 15, 2017 I don't know why they would fire Trevorrow over this, seeing as he's already deep into pre-production. It's not like he's going to be losing craploads of money for a studio with these poor reviews. If this was John Carter, then I'd wonder, but even Andrew Stanton was able to fall back on Finding Dory which was a guaranteed hit like Episode IX. 2 hours ago, saulocf said: That is why I said "most of his movies". Titanic, Avatar, True Lies and Abyss have really ok to poor scripts Do you think Avatar, True Lies, and Abyss are all truly great movies, though? Titanic is one of the better examples of a problematic script significantly elevated by its direction. Some of Spielberg's come to mind as well, like Jurassic Park and Saving Private Ryan. But I don't know if too many people who think about these things critically would consider both the films genuinely great and the scripts merely average or below. I think there's something to be said for how a screenplay with kinda lame dialogue or two-dimensional characters can have other more subtle but crucial strengths like the structure of its plotting or consistency of tone, which can be exploited by a savvy director. Titanic is corny but filled with memorable situations hooked around visual ideas, even something as simple as a spitting contest (and then calling back to it) or Rose trying to find an instrument to cut Jack loose. In that sense Cameron knew what he was doing writing that thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted June 15, 2017 Share Posted June 15, 2017 4 minutes ago, mrbellamy said: I don't know why they would fire Trevorrow over this, seeing as he's already deep into pre-production. It's not like he's going to be losing craploads of money for a studio with these poor reviews. If this was John Carter, then I'd wonder, but even Andrew Stanton was able to fall back on Finding Dory which was a guaranteed hit like Episode IX. Key difference being that Stanton had made two masterpieces of animation. Whereas Trevorrow has made an ok movie, a pile of shit, and now apparently a "wtf were you even going for." Arpy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,272 Posted June 15, 2017 Share Posted June 15, 2017 17 minutes ago, Disco Stu said: Key difference being that Stanton had made two masterpieces of animation. Michael Cimino made The Deer Hunter right before Heaven's Gate, Francis Ford Coppola made Apocalypse Now right before One From the Heart etc. The only reason Stanton got to make another big-budget movie for Disney right away was because he pitched a sequel to a hit. Whether or not Finding Nemo is a masterpiece is irrelevant. I guess Book of Henry could affect Trevorrow's chances to direct anything original for awhile, but I dunno, if he makes a good Star Wars and it makes the money, then I think he'll survive. Depends on how big of a flop this ends up being, but it looks like it only cost $10 million? The guy who should really be worried is Gregg Hurwitz who wrote it (and this is his first movie.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUlyssesian 2,473 Posted June 15, 2017 Share Posted June 15, 2017 The reviews are nasty. The Guardian says 'In its pure misjudged ickiness, bad-acting ropiness, and its quirksy, smirksy passive-aggressive tweeness, this insidiously terrible film could hardly get any more skin-crawling.' I can't deny. I am almost tempted to see what's SO BAD about it. Even the terrible reviews agree that it is atleast original in that it is atleast unpredictable. But I might wait for the DVD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted June 15, 2017 Share Posted June 15, 2017 Just now, TheUlyssesian said: I can't deny. I am almost tempted to see what's SO BAD about it. Even the terrible reviews agree that it is atleast original in that it is atleast unpredictable. But I might wait for the DVD. Me too. So tempted. I wanna watch a trainwreck. Maybe in my younger days when I had nothing but free time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saulocf 79 Posted June 15, 2017 Share Posted June 15, 2017 36 minutes ago, mrbellamy said: Do you think Avatar, True Lies, and Abyss are all truly great movies, though? Nah, I was just listing James Cameron's films that have bad script because someone said that Terminator and Aliens have good scripts despite that I said that I find most of his films badly written. Other than Lee Curtis I don't even like True Lies. Having said that, I do think that Avatar is great, despite its problems. The universe is fascinating and no one can be direct a grand film like Cameron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fancyarcher 350 Posted June 15, 2017 Share Posted June 15, 2017 On 6/15/2017 at 0:39 PM, saulocf said: That is why I said "most of his movies". Titanic, Avatar, True Lies and Abyss have really ok to poor scripts True Lies has fantastic hilarious cracking dialogue, so can't say I agree with you there. 21 hours ago, mrbellamy said: Michael Cimino made The Deer Hunter right before Heaven's Gate, Francis Ford Coppola made Apocalypse Now right before One From the Heart etc. The only reason Stanton got to make another big-budget movie for Disney right away was because he pitched a sequel to a hit. Whether or not Finding Nemo is a masterpiece is irrelevant. I guess Book of Henry could affect Trevorrow's chances to direct anything original for awhile, but I dunno, if he makes a good Star Wars and it makes the money, then I think he'll survive. Depends on how big of a flop this ends up being, but it looks like it only cost $10 million? The guy who should really be worried is Gregg Hurwitz who wrote it (and this is his first movie.) I doubt Book of Henry will affect his Star Wars directing gig, unless he pulls a Josh Trank on set or something, a little seen soon to be forgotten in three weeks small film probably isn't going to get him fired from Episode IX. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Disco Stu 15,495 Posted June 16, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted June 16, 2017 I hadn't seen this tweet from Trevorrow before this morning I'm not sure infantilizing yourself is the best tactic.... Not Mr. Big, A. A. Ron and crumbs 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,310 Posted June 16, 2017 Share Posted June 16, 2017 I'm listening to this score on Spotify right now and I like it! https://open.spotify.com/album/3emHbzoLxwzVv7FkvEgtjE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,304 Posted June 16, 2017 Share Posted June 16, 2017 1 hour ago, Disco Stu said: I hadn't seen this tweet from Trevorrow before this morning I'm not sure infantilizing yourself is the best tactic.... Yep, pretty infantile response to the criticism IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,310 Posted June 16, 2017 Share Posted June 16, 2017 I finished the album and I like the score. It's nice to have a new score from a favorite composer that isn't another giant blockbuster type score. There's a lot of different colors throughout the score which I appreciated. It's not very catchy and I probably won't think to listen to it often, but I do like it after one listen for sure. Arpy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,343 Posted June 16, 2017 Share Posted June 16, 2017 Kathleen Kennedy: What, it's just an ordinary- OH MY GOODNESS TREVORROW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,310 Posted June 16, 2017 Share Posted June 16, 2017 I've listened to this album 3 times now, I like it a lot. I wish I could buy it on physical CD. Maybe Varese will come to the rescue like they did with Jupiter Ascending Arpy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted June 16, 2017 Share Posted June 16, 2017 It's hard to think about how much of Jurassic World is down to Trevorrow, how much of The Book of Henry was him, or how much SWIX will be him too. I was so disappointed after seeing Jurassic World, gone was the Spielbergian craft, those panning and tracking shots, the warmth and magic, the visual palette in JW is instead flat, CGI and boring. I came out of the theatre so crestfallen because it felt like a hollow imitation of what JP had created. 5 minutes ago, Jay said: I've listened to this album 3 times now, I like it a lot. I wish I could buy it on physical CD. Maybe Varese will come to the rescue like they did with Jupiter Ascending With signed copies *fingers crossed I guess another flop Giacchino is attached to, as well... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo 3,709 Posted June 16, 2017 Share Posted June 16, 2017 Listening for the first time and I don't know if it's something I need to own but it's definitely an enjoyable listen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,272 Posted June 17, 2017 Share Posted June 17, 2017 9 hours ago, Jay said: It's not very catchy I dunno, the main theme got in my head just from the samples! I like this one, nice highlights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scallenger 481 Posted June 17, 2017 Share Posted June 17, 2017 As someone who has actually seen the movie, I can say that in my opinion the critics are being way too unfair to it. It isn't nearly as bad as they have made it out to be. And I have seen a LOT of bad movies, lol. It's kind of impossible to compare this to The Room, as someone mentioned. The movie has a lot of issues and holes, for sure, but I found it mostly harmless with some effective scenes and performances. I think people are honestly looking for a fight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max 141 Posted June 17, 2017 Author Share Posted June 17, 2017 I agree. I saw the movie Thursday night, and I found it perfectly enjoyable. It seems to me that the critics felt "betrayed" by the genre shift or felt that the genre shift was a result of "clumsiness" on Trevorrow's part, but honestly, the genre shift (i.e., the preparation for and suspense of the film's third act) was my favorite part of the movie. I also enjoyed Naomi Watts' performance. Overall, I don't think the movie deserves the disgust the critics appear to have for it, and I'm still very excited to see Trevorrow's Episode IX. I like Giacchino's score, too. Admittedly, I'm a bigger fan of his blockbuster scores than his smaller scores, but I like the colors in this one, and the score plays well throughout the movie. The score in the "Research and Development" scene really stood out to me in the theater, so I was happy to hear that cue on the soundtrack. Also, I'm not bothered by Giacchino's punny track titles like some are, but I did find it odd that he chose "regular" track titles for this with the exception of Spoiler "Shaking, Not Stirred," which plays while Henry is having a seizure. That just feels kind of inappropriate to me... The same with "Do You Have Prince Albert in a Can?" which (I think) plays as Watts' character stops her neighbor from abusing his stepdaughter by making a phone call (like a prank call). I'm not sure if a joke track title is appropriate for the material here... Anyway, other than those and "The Parable of the Talents," the rest of the track titles just reflect events in the movie (unless I'm missing a pun somewhere). On 6/10/2017 at 10:58 AM, Richard said: Hey, Max! Missed you, dude! Welcome back. Thanks, Richard! Nice to be back! I'm sad I missed most of the discussions on Giacchino's recent scores, but at least I'm back in time for Spider-Man: Homecoming and War for the Planet of the Apes! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted June 17, 2017 Share Posted June 17, 2017 The reviews I've read lay out pretty clearly why they didn't like it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted June 18, 2017 Share Posted June 18, 2017 Jyn's Theme/Yorktown Theme @1:38 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 One of my favorite movie podcasts, Blank Check With Griffin & David, put out an episode on The Book of Henry. They hated it passionately and lay out why very slowly and clearly (and amusingly). Anyway, they actually single out Giacchino's score as being "really bad," at least as it functions in the film, and say how disappointed they were when they saw his name credited, because they usually like his work. Listen if interested. It's a fun, silly podcast by guys who really love movies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will 2,215 Posted June 20, 2017 Share Posted June 20, 2017 Great main theme. Similar in contour to Jyn's theme and the Yorktown theme, of course, but still lovely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,310 Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 Well, this is unexpected! Quartet Records has released this on physical CD! http://www.quartetrecords.com/the-book-of-henry.html Yavar Moradi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 Damnit, I knew I should have held off getting the iTunes release. I was expecting Varèse to release this as one of their limited 1000 batches they do for current films but it never happened. Kudos to Quartet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jay 37,310 Posted April 12, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted April 12, 2019 I wonder if Quartet will be able to release any of the other Giacchino scores that were digital only (Black, Earth Days), or any of his completely unreleased ones (Looking For Comedy in the Muslim World, 50/50, This Is Where I Leave You) KittBash, Yavar Moradi and Ollie 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yavar Moradi 2,590 Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 I think Giacchino co-wrote the main theme on Black, which was mostly a Chris Tilton score (really good score to be sure, though, and I wouldn't mind a CD release!) Yavar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,310 Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 I know, but I'm a Giacchino completist! Yavar Moradi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 We're sorry. Have you tried therapy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yavar Moradi 2,590 Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 2 hours ago, Jay said: I know, but I'm a Giacchino completist! Well, you should be a Chris Tilton completist too. Black and Mercenaries being awesome albums should convince you of that. Yavar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted April 13, 2019 Share Posted April 13, 2019 I want it but really don’t need it. I’ll stick with my digital version. Chris Tilton is criminally underrated. I wish he worked on more projects. KittBash 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KittBash 282 Posted April 13, 2019 Share Posted April 13, 2019 5 hours ago, Jay said: I know, but I'm a Giacchino completist! I feel ya but $60 to get this to Canada ouch! edit: brain fart I could go to screen archives I guess for $40 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,310 Posted April 14, 2019 Share Posted April 14, 2019 On 4/12/2019 at 7:04 PM, Yavar Moradi said: Well, you should be a Chris Tilton completist too. Black and Mercenaries being awesome albums should convince you of that. Yavar Who said I didn't like Chris Tilton? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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