KK 3,307 Posted May 4, 2016 Share Posted May 4, 2016 I wanted to check out this film earlier this week after all the discussion here, and realized it's not even out here yet! Damn Europeans and their privileges... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted May 4, 2016 Author Share Posted May 4, 2016 You are still part of the Empire! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted May 4, 2016 Share Posted May 4, 2016 2 hours ago, crocodile said: They are still more imaginative than that new Star Wars film that everybody loved. Meh, barely. They're all in the same boat really. Largely uninspired crowdpleasers that provide a good romp for the time, but nothing else. SW just has the advantage of coming off a hiatus, but with Disney's plan for its future, it too will suffer from audience fatigue...just hope it happens with Marvel sooner than later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,000 Posted May 4, 2016 Share Posted May 4, 2016 4 minutes ago, KK said: Meh, barely. They're all in the same boat really. Largely uninspired crowdpleasers that provide a good romp for the time, but nothing else. Yeah, but that's what blockbusters are, KK. And many of them don't offer even that. I don't think you can push superhero genre much further. Because you'll risk it becoming completely ridiculous and alienating. Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted May 4, 2016 Author Share Posted May 4, 2016 They are what Westerns and War films used to be in the old days. Heroes and villians. Clear and simple characters, exciting plots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,000 Posted May 4, 2016 Share Posted May 4, 2016 Sure, and if you push them too far into the serious drama zone you'll completely miss the point. I really agree with this review of Civil War and it's assessment of the genre.. Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted May 4, 2016 Author Share Posted May 4, 2016 But there are serious westerners that do explore interesting themes, and there certainly are serious war films. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted May 4, 2016 Share Posted May 4, 2016 Sure, I can get on board with that. But sometimes I find it strange how some of you guys go out to see these kind of films multiple times (outside of social obligations) and are keen on writing long essays on them, when there is probably more interesting cinema out there to put that effort into. And I'm not sure if it's entirely impossible to change up the genre in more interesting ways. Winter Soldier got the closest of what I've seen from Marvel's roster, and to Snyder's credit, BvS tried to do just that, in some ways. But I guess the latter proved that the crowd just doesn't want that I guess... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,000 Posted May 4, 2016 Share Posted May 4, 2016 3 minutes ago, KK said: And I'm not sure if it's entirely impossible to change up the genre in more interesting ways. Winter Soldier got the closest of what I've seen from Marvel's roster, and to Snyder's credit, BvS tried to do just that, in some ways. But I guess the latter proved that the crowd just doesn't want that I guess... It should be then interesting to you that Civil War presents essentially the same premise, with the same basic ingredients. It's where it all ends up that makes all the difference. The Winter Soldier, while a leaner and more focused film, still degenerated into a pointless CGI battle at the end. This one mostly manages to avoid that. And I watch them multiple times because I enjoy them. They are the best blockbusters around at the moment. Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted May 4, 2016 Author Share Posted May 4, 2016 Watchman is still the only really challenging modern superhero film. And its a film many people actively dislike. I agree with KK. BvS is flawed, probably moreso then Civil War, but it does aim a bit higher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,000 Posted May 4, 2016 Share Posted May 4, 2016 Yeah, but Watchmen isn't really a superhero story. It's about superhero genre. And by using its cliches it tries to tell a very different story about the modern world and how we interact with it. Well, at least the comic was that... Zack Snyder was too concerned about its choreography and sexy shots to understand the intention. 4 minutes ago, Stefancos said: Watchman is still the only really challenging modern superhero film. And its a film many people actively dislike. I agree with KK. BvS is flawed, probably moreso then Civil War, but it does aim a bit higher. No it doesn't. It chickens out at the end. Civil War at least tries to gives us conflict and dilemma complex enough that it cannot be truly resolved. All B v S does it being murky. And that's not ballsy enough, sorry. Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted May 4, 2016 Author Share Posted May 4, 2016 Bla bla bla.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,000 Posted May 4, 2016 Share Posted May 4, 2016 I win. Karol Once 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted May 4, 2016 Author Share Posted May 4, 2016 Croc v Man Of Steef Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,000 Posted May 4, 2016 Share Posted May 4, 2016 What's your mother's name? Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted May 4, 2016 Share Posted May 4, 2016 15 minutes ago, KK said: Sure, I can get on board with that. But sometimes I find it strange how some of you guys go out to see these kind of films multiple times (outside of social obligations) and are keen on writing long essays on them, when there is probably more interesting cinema out there to put that effort into. Glad to learn you're with "us" on this one, KK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted May 4, 2016 Author Share Posted May 4, 2016 "Us v Them: JWfan War" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,000 Posted May 4, 2016 Share Posted May 4, 2016 1 minute ago, Quintus said: Glad to learn you're with "us" on this one, KK. Simple. I haven't got a family and I'm single. With enough income and time to indulge my hobbies. Doesn't seem likely to change in the near future. Sad or not. But true. Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted May 4, 2016 Author Share Posted May 4, 2016 Same here. People like Lee have to pick and choose what films they wanna see in the cinema. We can just see a film we enjoyed a second time because we haven't got much on at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,000 Posted May 4, 2016 Share Posted May 4, 2016 The only thing I'm trying to figure out is whether he should be feeling sorry for us. Or us feeling sorry for him. Either way, we'll all die eventually without ever learning much about life anyway. So it's all pointless regardless. Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted May 4, 2016 Share Posted May 4, 2016 It's time we kick "them" out to the curb. Or maybe their own subforum. Just now, crocodile said: Simple. I haven't got a family and I'm single. With enough income and time to indulge my hobbies. Doesn't seem likely to change in the near future. Sad or not. But true. Karol More or less in the same situation, except short on time and money, really. So I guess I do have to select my cinema experiences more carefully. But wouldn't you rather watch a film you haven't seen or rewatch a more interesting work than watch the umpteenth Marvel flick for the 5th time? Like what do you get out of rewatching them. And there are so many films that I've yet to still see, so I'd probably rather check one of those out at home, then go see the next Avengers film again. To be honest, I enjoy them most when I'm watching them with a group of friends or whatnot, because it weirdly becomes this collective "illusion" of something great (an idea that cinema was built on really). But I'd probably get bored of watching them repeatedly in my own spare time. And I still feel like there's room for auteurism, if the industry wasn't so restricted and keen on playing it safe. Heck, I'd be much more satisfied if even the most generic of Marvel's plots had something Snyder's distinctive visual language (think Watchmen, not MoS). Doctor Strange seems like it might have the most potential for that, but the teaser cut my expectations short on that front too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted May 4, 2016 Share Posted May 4, 2016 You're over thinking it. Even if I had all the time in the world I wouldn't have any interest in seeing these sorts of movies week in week out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted May 4, 2016 Author Share Posted May 4, 2016 Cheer up mate, the sun's out, looks like its gonna be a nice summer. Poland is in the Euro Cup.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted May 4, 2016 Share Posted May 4, 2016 There are just more interesting films to see, really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,000 Posted May 4, 2016 Share Posted May 4, 2016 Yeah, but what if I'm not interesting in those auteur films? Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted May 4, 2016 Author Share Posted May 4, 2016 Sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,331 Posted May 4, 2016 Share Posted May 4, 2016 Just now, crocodile said: Yeah, but what if I'm not interesting in those films? Karol Patience ... Dunkirk will be out before you know it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,000 Posted May 4, 2016 Share Posted May 4, 2016 Just now, Alexcremers said: Patience ... Dunkirk will be out before you know it! I'm not a fan of historical epics/dramas. They are all lies. Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,331 Posted May 4, 2016 Share Posted May 4, 2016 Just now, crocodile said: I'm not a fan of historical epics/dramas. They are all lies. Karol The subject doesn't matter. It's Nolan! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,000 Posted May 4, 2016 Share Posted May 4, 2016 1 minute ago, Alexcremers said: The subject doesn't matter. It's Nolan! He'll fail this time, I fear. Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted May 4, 2016 Share Posted May 4, 2016 Have you lost faith already dear Brother? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,000 Posted May 4, 2016 Share Posted May 4, 2016 Just now, KK said: Have you lost faith already dear Brother? He's decided to tackle a historical subject. He's bound to fail. Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted May 4, 2016 Author Share Posted May 4, 2016 8 minutes ago, crocodile said: I'm not a fan of historical epics/dramas. They are all lies. Karol History is written by the victors! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted May 4, 2016 Share Posted May 4, 2016 He is taking on a new path for once! We must commend him, not condemn him! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,331 Posted May 4, 2016 Share Posted May 4, 2016 Yeah, but he's following the Marvel gospel now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,000 Posted May 4, 2016 Share Posted May 4, 2016 It can still be a decent action film. And I'm sure 65 mm/IMAX approach won't hurt. Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MedigoScan 324 Posted May 4, 2016 Share Posted May 4, 2016 I am pretty sure everyone is allowed to see the movies they want fun or serious Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,331 Posted May 4, 2016 Share Posted May 4, 2016 I always thought that for crocs it's the director, not the subject. I mean, imagine the following situation: Person 1: I'm a huge Kubrick fan, man! Person 2: Then you must be thrilled that he's working on Napoleon, right? Person 1: Sigh! A history movie?! Pass! This doesn't sound right, does it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted May 4, 2016 Share Posted May 4, 2016 51 minutes ago, crocodile said: He's decided to tackle a historical subject. He's bound to fail. Karol I'll see his Dunkirk before I bother to see The Dark Knight Rises. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted May 4, 2016 Author Share Posted May 4, 2016 Pity, because its the best of the Nolan Batman films. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,340 Posted May 4, 2016 Share Posted May 4, 2016 Haha, good one Stefan! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted May 4, 2016 Author Share Posted May 4, 2016 What? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,340 Posted May 4, 2016 Share Posted May 4, 2016 Humor, it is a difficult concept. I'm basically saying I disagree with you, and find it comical that anyone would think that was the best of the 3 films, as I personally find it to be by far the weakest of the 3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted May 4, 2016 Author Share Posted May 4, 2016 Nope, its the best of the 3 in many ways. Especially visually Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted May 4, 2016 Share Posted May 4, 2016 Visually, it may be more interesting. But as a whole, it's definitely the weakest of the trilogy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,331 Posted May 5, 2016 Share Posted May 5, 2016 Which one? TDK? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted May 5, 2016 Author Share Posted May 5, 2016 The Dark Knight Rises Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,331 Posted May 5, 2016 Share Posted May 5, 2016 At least I cared more for the Bats in TDKR than in TDK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,513 Posted May 5, 2016 Share Posted May 5, 2016 No Robert Redford? No Toby Jones? No Stanley Tucci? What the hell is going on with this film?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted May 5, 2016 Author Share Posted May 5, 2016 Yeah! Civil War didnt have enough characters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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