chuck 154 Posted May 23, 2016 Share Posted May 23, 2016 You can guess the number 1 is... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,289 Posted May 23, 2016 Share Posted May 23, 2016 3,694 posts and no avatar? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted May 23, 2016 Share Posted May 23, 2016 5 minutes ago, chuck said: You can guess the number 1 is... The Force Awakens? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkissimo 1,973 Posted May 23, 2016 Share Posted May 23, 2016 Sunshine? Stargate? Ugh. Not Mr. Big 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loert 2,510 Posted May 23, 2016 Share Posted May 23, 2016 No Contact? And how could they mention Stargate but not Independence Day? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted May 24, 2016 Share Posted May 24, 2016 I don't want to watch, anyone want to list the 10. if this board picked it #1 would be ESB, and E.T. #2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,233 Posted May 24, 2016 Share Posted May 24, 2016 And that's what's wrong with this board! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkissimo 1,973 Posted May 24, 2016 Share Posted May 24, 2016 3 hours ago, loert said: No Contact? Or Planet of the Apes, Solaris (the Artemiev), Interstellar or The Day the Earth Stood Still... I mean 12 Monkeys? It's not a bad score and it's a nice left field choice, I suppose, but hardly a great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,233 Posted May 24, 2016 Share Posted May 24, 2016 In the interest of maybe stirring up some real discussion, let me play devil's advocate even more than usual. Not only are E.T. and ESB not great scifi scores, they're not scifi scores at all. The films they accompany are not what I would most purely call science fiction, and in neither case do the scores themselves offer anything that can be identified as staples of science fiction music. They are both grandiose, hyper-romantic, operatic - none of which are qualities of true science fiction, in musical form or in cinematic form. And with that in mind, only a few of the choices on this list should be there at all. Much too broad a definition is being used here. Biodome 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted May 24, 2016 Share Posted May 24, 2016 28 minutes ago, TheWhiteRider said: And that's what's wrong with this board! I was going to ask but then I read what you wrote so I am not asking. They are science fiction. They are science fiction score of the utmost quality. They may not fit your very narrow definition but it doesn't matter as in the broad sense they are exactly that. But if you want to tell us it's Hanz Zimmer in Interstellar and Inception please proceed. I am open to him or someone else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,233 Posted May 24, 2016 Share Posted May 24, 2016 As I made clear, my point in saying so was to try and nudge something a little more substantial out of you or any other takers than "you're wrong." Tell me why my definition of science fiction doesn't matter and yours does - Wikipedia genre classifications or "what most people think" do not count. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romão 2,274 Posted May 24, 2016 Share Posted May 24, 2016 I would also hardy consider ET or any of the Star Wars scores to be Sci Fi. Even Jurassic Park is a stretch. But genre definitions are inherently volatile Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,233 Posted May 24, 2016 Share Posted May 24, 2016 Jurassic Park fits in better than the family adventure romp with an alien thrown in that is E.T. or the obviously its-own-beast (space opera, if you will) Star Wars. But JP still doesn't meet many of the aesthetic conditions that I'd consider integral to true science fiction, even if some of the themes are sort of there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted May 24, 2016 Share Posted May 24, 2016 E.T. is about a alien on earth, seems like science and fiction. I don't consider 2001 as having a score. Just a soundtrack of often ill fitting classic music. Robocop...great BP score but it's another dystopian future which seems to be all the rage in science fiction. it needs a remake, another remake with some needed teen angst. Back to the Future is sciencey and fiction but the score ins't in STTMP's, ET, Star Wars, JP's league, IMHO of course. T2 isn't much more than a beefed up Terminator score with a bigger budget. i need Linus to define Science Fiction I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted May 24, 2016 Share Posted May 24, 2016 Less a definition of science is needed than a more diverse committee of people selecting the titles. Maybe then it would include more than the expected fanboy choices from guys who grew up in the 80's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chuck 154 Posted May 24, 2016 Author Share Posted May 24, 2016 Some of the comments on the section was making my eyes roll, like this one: Kameron Woodall1 hour ago Michael Giacchino's Star Trek scores are better the Goldsmiths. And I love Goldsmith as a composer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted May 24, 2016 Share Posted May 24, 2016 4 hours ago, TheWhiteRider said: the family adventure romp with an alien thrown in that is E.T. With this kind of when it suits you flippancy though (one of your characteristics) you're not really playing devil's advocate for the sake of 'real discussion' at all, you're playing fool. Hence why you won't be taken seriously on this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,233 Posted May 24, 2016 Share Posted May 24, 2016 No, there's no flippancy or fool-playing, and I regret that you see it that way. That may be an extreme way to describe the film, but it isn't really wrong, and makes the point I wanted to make. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted May 24, 2016 Share Posted May 24, 2016 I think you're confusing narrative and themes with genre. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted May 24, 2016 Share Posted May 24, 2016 He's just being a conniving little toss-pot! Neo-JWFan, where E.T., film and score, are second rate works of limited interest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,326 Posted May 24, 2016 Share Posted May 24, 2016 9 hours ago, TheWhiteRider said: Much too broad a definition is being used here. If the definition is too well-defined, only a handful of movies would be eligible to be labelled Science Fiction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted May 24, 2016 Share Posted May 24, 2016 1 hour ago, Stefancos said: He's just being a conniving little toss-pot! Neo-JWFan, where E.T., film and score, are second rate works of limited interest. Did you know that Close Encounters of the Third Kind is just a movie about the breakdown of the family unit after a midlife crisis with aliens thrown in? It's a standard Mike Leigh domestic drama with added alien abductions and flying saucers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,233 Posted May 24, 2016 Share Posted May 24, 2016 I mean, you can be a cunt about it if you want, but I genuinely wasn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted May 24, 2016 Share Posted May 24, 2016 You obviously were! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biodome 714 Posted May 25, 2016 Share Posted May 25, 2016 Personally, I wouldn't categorize Star Wars as science fiction. More like space fantasy, perhaps. There really isn't any science in there. It's like the epic fantasy of Lord of the Rings, but just in space. I know that generally people call any space movie about aliens science fiction, but I think that the term would be more useful when applied to movies that are grounded partly in actual science, and partly in futuristic science, like Interstellar, for instance. When I look for science fiction movies, I am actually looking for something that resembles science. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,233 Posted May 25, 2016 Share Posted May 25, 2016 Prepare to be hated, my friend! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted May 25, 2016 Share Posted May 25, 2016 If science fiction is baking soda while fantasy is vinegar, Star Wars is a noisy bubbling mess. JoeinAR 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkissimo 1,973 Posted May 25, 2016 Share Posted May 25, 2016 On 24/05/2016 at 3:13 AM, TheWhiteRider said: But JP still doesn't meet many of the aesthetic conditions that I'd consider integral to true science fiction, even if some of the themes are sort of there. Could you be more precise? Like a lot of sci-fi JP draws on the old man-as-God narrative inherited from Shelley's Frankentsein and Ovid's Promethean myth. You could also feasibly place it within the realm of environment science fiction, along with Silent Running, with its themes of conservation and the ethics of bringing back extinct species. And the score itself has its share of otherworldly moments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted May 25, 2016 Share Posted May 25, 2016 What is a "Science-Fiction score" anyway? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,233 Posted May 25, 2016 Share Posted May 25, 2016 20 minutes ago, Sharkus Malarkus said: Could you be more precise? Like a lot of sci-fi JP draws on the old man-as-God narrative inherited from Shelley's Frankentsein and Ovid's Promethean myth. You could also feasibly place it within the realm of environment science fiction, along with Silent Running, with its themes of conservation and the ethics of bringing back extinct species. And the score itself has its share of otherworldly moments. I don't disagree. and the score sure does have some otherworldly moments, some of John's best. I guess the sort of science-fiction aesthetic that I'm very puritanically looking for has a more distant or sterile feeling than the film conjures. The wonderment and awe is more upfront than you might expect in this one, is maybe a way of putting it. You mentioned Solaris, the original, and that's a great example of what I think of as the "real" scifi feeling, and obviously Kubrick is there too, as probably the inventor of its cinematic form. A film has to feel the same as reading Clarke or Asimov, for example, to really capture the genre for me. 20 minutes ago, Not Mr. Big said: What is a "Science-Fiction score" anyway? Well, to attempt some clumsy musical generalizations, I'd say it's a score with an emphasis on modernist or minimalist idioms, which handles color and texture in certain "spherical" ways as pub and I would put it, which may but doesn't have to include electronics, and which is primarily concerned with ambience and mood and the ethereal. Prime examples according to my definition: A.I., Interstellar, Blade Runner, Tron: Legacy, Under the Skin, Planet of the Apes, Minority Report, The Matrix, Inception, Logan's Run. Then there are scores like Alien, ST: TMP, CE3K, Jurassic Park, Man of Steel, The Abyss, and Sphere, which have elements of sci-fi but are grounded in other areas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkissimo 1,973 Posted May 25, 2016 Share Posted May 25, 2016 I know what you mean. I've been restrained so far in eschewing predictability by not mentioning Rosenman's Fantastic Voyage, but what the hell. Dixon Hill 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted May 25, 2016 Share Posted May 25, 2016 Of course "sci-fi" is an extremely broad umbrella term which covers many subs, but as much as it may irk the pseudo purists of JWFan that such a bothersome all encompassing definition exists, they ultimately just have to suck it up and accept that they can't bend the meaning of established terminology to their will just because their vanity strives to create a contrived and vainglorious distinction between "truer" Nolan science fiction movies and "family" Steven Spielberg ones, as they see it. As much as it pains you people, "Science Fiction" covers it all. Sorry. Btw, JP is a science fiction adventure movie. Here's some more helpful tips: Event Horizon is a science fiction horror movie. Species is a science fiction thriller movie. Starman is a science fiction romance movie. Etc etc. Lonnegan - who likes to use the term "Hard Sci-Fi" to describe more heavyweight fare such as 2001 A Space Odyssey and Blade Runner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,326 Posted May 25, 2016 Share Posted May 25, 2016 5 hours ago, Not Mr. Big said: What is a "Science-Fiction score" anyway? Anything featuring a theremin! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romão 2,274 Posted May 25, 2016 Share Posted May 25, 2016 Then Ed Wood is a great Sci Fi score Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted May 25, 2016 Share Posted May 25, 2016 12 hours ago, TheWhiteRider said: I don't disagree. and the score sure does have some otherworldly moments, some of John's best. I guess the sort of science-fiction aesthetic that I'm very puritanically looking for has a more distant or sterile feeling than the film conjures. The wonderment and awe is more upfront than you might expect in this one, is maybe a way of putting it. You mentioned Solaris, the original, and that's a great example of what I think of as the "real" scifi feeling, and obviously Kubrick is there too, as probably the inventor of its cinematic form. A film has to feel the same as reading Clarke or Asimov, for example, to really capture the genre for me. Well, to attempt some clumsy musical generalizations, I'd say it's a score with an emphasis on modernist or minimalist idioms, which handles color and texture in certain "spherical" ways as pub and I would put it, which may but doesn't have to include electronics, and which is primarily concerned with ambience and mood and the ethereal. Prime examples according to my definition: A.I., Interstellar, Blade Runner, Tron: Legacy, Under the Skin, Planet of the Apes, Minority Report, The Matrix, Inception, Logan's Run. Then there are scores like Alien, ST: TMP, CE3K, Jurassic Park, Man of Steel, The Abyss, and Sphere, which have elements of sci-fi but are grounded in other areas. Mainly because that 2nd group is better films. Except MOS which is totally shit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkissimo 1,973 Posted May 25, 2016 Share Posted May 25, 2016 You think Sphere is a good film? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,289 Posted May 25, 2016 Share Posted May 25, 2016 Where's the hot chick that was in your avatar yesterday? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,326 Posted May 25, 2016 Share Posted May 25, 2016 1 hour ago, Romão said: Then Ed Wood is a great Sci Fi score Of course, it refers to his classic Plan 9 From Outer Space. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted May 25, 2016 Share Posted May 25, 2016 So science fiction scores use science fiction instruments and science fiction sound effects? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,326 Posted May 25, 2016 Share Posted May 25, 2016 5 minutes ago, Woji said: So science fiction scores use science fiction instruments ? Psst ... if it exists then it's no longer science fiction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted May 25, 2016 Share Posted May 25, 2016 You know what I mean. Synthesizers, theremin, things that create cliché sci fi sounds not generally found in a band or orchestra's wind, brass, and string sections. Hell, science fiction movies and books exist, so they are no longer science fiction. Folks, we've just destroyed science fiction by causing it to exist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,326 Posted May 25, 2016 Share Posted May 25, 2016 All that sci-fi stuff only exist in movies, wojo, not in the real world. Alex - explaining the basics to wojo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted May 25, 2016 Share Posted May 25, 2016 I don't see a wojo here. Shall I explain reading? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,326 Posted May 25, 2016 Share Posted May 25, 2016 Imagine if I suddenly would call myself Alexcrimers. Sounds silly, right? So, yes, you will always be wojo to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted May 25, 2016 Share Posted May 25, 2016 Indeed! This name changing fad is ridiculous! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted May 25, 2016 Share Posted May 25, 2016 10 minutes ago, Alexcremers said: Imagine if I suddenly would call myself Alexcrimers. Sounds silly, right? So, yes, you will always be wojo to me. How sad. Sigh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted May 25, 2016 Share Posted May 25, 2016 We could call you Rick? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,289 Posted May 25, 2016 Share Posted May 25, 2016 27 minutes ago, Alexcremers said: you will always be wojo to me. Same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted May 25, 2016 Share Posted May 25, 2016 No, you may not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted May 25, 2016 Share Posted May 25, 2016 Rich! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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