The Hobbit: Four Movements for Symphony Orchestra by Howard Shore

[SafeUnderHill 205]

[Barnald 365]

So Conrad and his cronies will be in attendance, and Shore gets his long-sought revenge by blowing them to bits. Should be a wonderful end to a magnificent evening.

[gkgyver 1,645]

6 hours ago, Stefancos said:

No!

And will Shore ever conduct music from film 2 and 3?

 

Yes to both.

 

So, the Hobbit Symphony is called the Hobbit Symphony, but is not the Hobbit Symphony? I'm confused.

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

Its not called The Hobbit Symphony.

[Wojo 2,453]

So it's in Pittsburgh, eh? A shame I'm not going to it. 

[Jim Ware 526]

7 hours ago, gkgyver said:

So, the Hobbit Symphony is called the Hobbit Symphony, but is not the Hobbit Symphony? I'm confused.

 

This is not the Hobbit Symphony.  This is The Hobbit - Four Movements for Symphony Orchestra. 

[TownerFan 4,983]

14 hours ago, Jim Ware said:

Instrumentation gives significant clues regarding musical content. 

 

Looks like my clue was correct, more or less

 

Anyone knows if Howard completely gave up conducting live concerts of his own music?

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

Shore has become an absolute theorist. His music excist on paper and that is enough for him.

 

Soon he won't even have it performed.

[gkgyver 1,645]

You exist in written form only, too.

 

Still not convinced you are a real person.

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

Ask Jason!

[Jay 37,336]

@Stefancos is real!

 

I don't understand what @gkgyver is confused about, the facts are laid out pretty clear in this thread.

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

The only reason it was ever referred to as the Hobbit Symphony here is because of Shore's previous LOTR symphony.

[Kühni 485]

22 hours ago, Jim Ware said:

LOTR was not quite the same.  The suite referred to above was the first two movements of the symphony (from FOTR) premiered at the RFH with the LPO conducted by Shore in February 2003.

 

For some reason, I take enormous pride in having been present at both that concert and the rehearsal the day before. First time I'd ever witnessed how a piano can be distressed.

[Jim Ware 526]

42 minutes ago, Kühni said:

 

For some reason, I take enormous pride in having been present at both that concert and the rehearsal the day before. First time I'd ever witnessed how a piano can be distressed.

 

There were very strange goings on in the RFH that day.  The LOTR premiere was surrounded by whirling dervishes and a performance of Wagner's Der Ring des Nibelungen condensed to thirty minutes (complete with papier mache Fafnir).

 

8 hours ago, TownerFan said:

Anyone knows if Howard completely gave up conducting live concerts of his own music?

 

I don't think so, but he seems very happy with Ludwig Wicki's interpretations of his material.

 

[Barnald 365]

This probably isn't the right thread for this, but since it's recent and contains related discussion, what the hell.

 

Someone on twitter asked Doug when his 'new book' was coming out, to which Doug responded:

 

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Doug Adams ‏@DougAdamsMusic 5h

Should have one or two out this fall. Then back to Middle-earth as soon as studio gives the nod.

 

I guess one of these won't be his Hobbit book (I imagine we'd have heard something by now), but given that Doug has seemingly had the green light for this project for some time, I'm wondering what he's waiting on the studio to give the green light on in order for him to return to Middle-earth. Is this a reference to the book or something different (like CR's)? I've no idea how these things work admittedly.

[SafeUnderHill 205]

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

Why can't they LOTR scores be rereleased? Its very common now for scores to get released again, even after a previous expanded/complete release.

[SafeUnderHill 205]

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

Eliminating most instances of the History Of The Ring theme???

[Jim Ware 526]

15 hours ago, Barnald said:

I guess one of these won't be his Hobbit book (I imagine we'd have heard something by now), but given that Doug has seemingly had the green light for this project for some time, I'm wondering what he's waiting on the studio to give the green light on in order for him to return to Middle-earth. Is this a reference to the book or something different (like CR's)? I've no idea how these things work admittedly.

 

This will all make sense in time.

 

5 hours ago, Stefancos said:

Eliminating most instances of the History Of The Ring theme???

 

Only two or three.  It's not that heavily used.

[gkgyver 1,645]

Not lying, I could go for a complete score of all three Hobbits at once, together with the book.

Seems to have been a more straightforward process scoring 2 and 3 than AUJ and LotR, so that there aren't hours of alternates to go through.

 

 

[Incanus 5,714]

Isn't Doug working on another book besides the Hobbit one? About the music of the silent films called Impossible Silence?

[mstrox 6,649]

He has also strongly hinted on Twitter of something Star Wars related.

[Barnald 365]

If we're supposing that his Hobbit book won't be out later this year - and it does seem unlikely - it would appear he's working on at least three books.

[SafeUnderHill 205]

[gkgyver 1,645]

Oh please, not this again.

 

Don't pretend you wouldn't love a CR of FotR that eliminated all the tracking and replaced it with unedited original intentions.

[Jay 37,336]

I want a FOTR CR that contains not only the complete score (intended version with no tracked music), but a bonus track section at the end with all theatrical versions and alternates.  You know, like the specialty labels do to every other score they expand.

[mstrox 6,649]

I would rather have more tracking in the score.  There are a couple of scenes right in Lothlorien that could stand a little bit of Nazgul chanting

[Jim Ware 526]

2 hours ago, Jay said:

I want a FOTR CR that contains not only the complete score (intended version with no tracked music), but a bonus track section at the end with all theatrical versions and alternates.  You know, like the specialty labels do to every other score they expand.

 

This isn't Howard Shore's preference when it comes to presentation.  Even if the CRs were to be revisited, additional and alternate material would in all likelihood be presented separately (somehow).

[Jay 37,336]

Yea, I know

[gkgyver 1,645]

I prefer that as well, honestly.

The CRs plus rarities were the ideal choice. FotR and the rarities just weren't all they could have been.

[SafeUnderHill 205]

[Jay 37,336]

Alien

Star Trek The Motion Picture

Total Recall

Braveheart

Dances With Wolves

Jaws

A.I. Artificial Intelligence

The Empire of the Sun

1941

 

[Jim Ware 526]

10 hours ago, gkgyver said:

I prefer that as well, honestly.

The CRs plus rarities were the ideal choice. FotR and the rarities just weren't all they could have been.

 

What else do you feel could have been done with the rarities, out of interest?

[Incanus 5,714]

I wager gkgyver wishes there could have been more of them.

 

That is how most of the LotR music fans feel.

 

 

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

Really? Even more music? Isn't there enough at some point?

[gkgyver 1,645]

Since when did you become such a grumpy ass? Is being beyond 30 finally catching up?

 

Anyway, the rarities were originally planned as kind of a DVD archive, to go through the mockups and alternates of the three films, plus a way longer talk with Shore.

More music, more alternates, more Shore. Not hard.

 

Not even the lord himself can convince me just the handful of alternates that made it are worth listening to for all three films!

[SafeUnderHill 205]

[Barnald 365]

Was it ever revealed why the longer 'Seduction of the Ring' at Amon Hen wasn't featured on the Rarities? Was it deemed not significant enough? I suppose that would make sense, but I'm interested to know of course incase there was a mind to possibly revisit the FOTR: CR someday.

[SafeUnderHill 205]

[Jay 37,336]

Maybe Shore doesn't like it?  It's brilliant and should have been on the Rarities disc.

[gkgyver 1,645]

Same reason maybe why Shore included film edits in the live performances, he is worried people would expect the Film Version.

[Jay 37,336]

Most live to projection concerts feature the same musical edits that the final films do.  It's rare to get unused music restored in these concerts.

[SafeUnderHill 205]

[Jay 37,336]

Yep

But the TTT and ROTK concerts do feature some original music restored.

[Jim Ware 526]

5 hours ago, Barnald said:

Was it ever revealed why the longer 'Seduction of the Ring' at Amon Hen wasn't featured on the Rarities? Was it deemed not significant enough? I suppose that would make sense, but I'm interested to know of course incase there was a mind to possibly revisit the FOTR: CR someday.

 

It's difficult to comment on specific examples but in all likelihood it was just too short, as were a number of other things.  Since it's technically dialled out in the film it could theoretically be included in the main programme of a reworked FOTR CR.

[Jim Ware 526]

3 hours ago, Jay said:

Most live to projection concerts feature the same musical edits that the final films do.  It's rare to get unused music restored in these concerts.

 

They restored some for Raiders!  I look forward to hearing Goat Bait and Hungry Raptor later this year.

[Jay 37,336]

Oh man, Hungry Raptor live would be awesome!

[gkgyver 1,645]

1 hour ago, Jim Ware said:

 

It's difficult to comment on specific examples but in all likelihood it was just too short, as were a number of other things.  Since it's technically dialled out in the film it could theoretically be included in the main programme of a reworked FOTR CR.

 

Or it could have been in the original release if it was so insignificantly short and the CR not a mastered iso score.

[Jay 37,336]

You have a lot of anger in you.