crumbs 14,306 Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 6 minutes ago, Disco Stu said: Isn't this movie still like 18 months from release? I doubt they'll have any scoring sessions until February or March, which is about 12 months before release. They did the same for Tintin then had pickups closer to release. He needs to be off the film and working on Star Wars by around then (unless he's writing them simultaneously?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jay 37,346 Posted October 21, 2016 Author Popular Post Share Posted October 21, 2016 It's possible he'll do some teaser cues for Ep 8 like he did for Ep 7, who knows - if he is, he's probably doing them now since surely a teaser trailer for Ep 8 will be attached to Rogue One. Other than that, I'd guess the reports of him writing Ready Player One in November are probably pretty accurate. Might be recorded in Jan-Feb, then a round of pickups in late 2017 after he's done with Ep 8 and The Kidnapping of Edgardo Mortara would be my guess. crumbs, Will, TownerFan and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,306 Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 Disney might just get to Gia to do any trailer cues for VIII while he's scoring Rogue One. I mean, the orchestra is already there! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,346 Posted October 21, 2016 Author Share Posted October 21, 2016 The trailers need to be finalize before the final cut of Rogue One, with all the marketing execs giving their say and mangling Johnny's teaser cue, etc, so it will surely be recorded before GIa's Rogue One score, which he's probably only been writing for 2 weeks and won't be ready to record until... Thanksgiving? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will 2,215 Posted October 24, 2016 Share Posted October 24, 2016 On 6/15/2016 at 7:36 AM, TownerFan said: The book is a cross between dystopian sci-fi elements and 1980s-type adventure films (think of Wargames or The Last Starfighter and the likes), so it'll be interesting which angle Spielberg will let prevail. I guess the film will probably nod the stylings of those adventure films we all know well, so Williams' approach could also follow accordingly. I hope it goes more toward the adventure. I know some here would like a darker score but heroic action material and thematic statements are always a wonderful treat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Docteur Qui 1,544 Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 I'm reading this book at the moment (and listening to the audio book narrated by Wesley Crusher), and it's honestly a bit of a slog to get through so far. Maybe it's the unapologetic geekiness of the whole thing, which I can usually get around but only in smaller doses. What's interesting is that there's explicit mentions of both Spielberg and Williams in the story (and the cue "The Throne Room" features at a key moment), so I'm curious to see how that's incorporated in the final film. I'm gonna try and finish the book but I have found myself rolling my eyes more often than not, especially when the overly-fetishised and under-written female love interest is involved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,278 Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 I wonder how (self-)referential Williams will really end up being. I assume the score will be 99% original but a few easter eggs would be fun. They've gotta do BTTF, right? Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skyy38 21 Posted June 11, 2017 Share Posted June 11, 2017 On 6/11/2016 at 11:05 PM, crumbs said: He usually gets other people to arrange any complicated synth stuff for him. The pulsating motif in Munich, for example. Or The Biker Chase in AI which his son arranged. Why would "synth stuff" be complicated for John Williams, especially in the arranging department? "Cantina Band Theme" anyone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkissimo 1,973 Posted June 11, 2017 Share Posted June 11, 2017 3 minutes ago, skyy38 said: "Cantina Band Theme" anyone? That's a 1930s-style swing piece with steel drums doubling the lead and an ARP 2600 synth on the walking bass. I wouldn't compare it to anything like the Biker Chase from A.I.. crumbs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muad'Dib 1,802 Posted June 11, 2017 Share Posted June 11, 2017 I saw this thread bumped and I thought "Yes! Finally, some news!" but then it was a stupid skywhatever post. Goddammit. crumbs and Not Mr. Big 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post BloodBoal 7,538 Posted June 11, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted June 11, 2017 Samples are up. crumbs, Cerebral Cortex, Simon McBride and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted June 11, 2017 Share Posted June 11, 2017 Sounds promising Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will 2,215 Posted June 11, 2017 Share Posted June 11, 2017 Love the dense and colorful orchestration in Prelude! Loert and Damien F 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerebral Cortex 3,357 Posted June 11, 2017 Share Posted June 11, 2017 On 6/8/2017 at 1:31 AM, mrbellamy said: I wonder how (self-)referential Williams will really end up being. I assume the score will be 99% original but a few easter eggs would be fun. They've gotta do BTTF, right? I would hope so, but with Spielberg saying he won't be making any references to any of his films in RPO, I wonder if that would include BTTF given he was executive producer on it. Taikomochi and Will 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,278 Posted June 11, 2017 Share Posted June 11, 2017 He backtracked a little on that, though. ("Except for the DeLorean and a couple of other things that I had something to do with.") Also: Cerebral Cortex and Will 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete 907 Posted June 11, 2017 Share Posted June 11, 2017 On 6/8/2017 at 10:44 AM, Docteur Qui said: What's interesting is that there's explicit mentions of both Spielberg and Williams in the story (and the cue "The Throne Room" features at a key moment), so I'm curious to see how that's incorporated in the final film. I think Conan The Barbarian's score is also heard by the characters. It'll be certainly interesting to see if and how those scores are used. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerebral Cortex 3,357 Posted June 11, 2017 Share Posted June 11, 2017 Oh, awesome. I'm glad to hear that. It would feel really odd to not have at least a few Spielbergian references sprinkled into a film of this nature. Edit: Meant to be directed at Mr. Bellamy. Got ninja'd by Pete. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon McBride 113 Posted June 12, 2017 Share Posted June 12, 2017 6 hours ago, BloodBoal said: Samples are up. Oh my goodness Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon R. 10 Posted June 12, 2017 Share Posted June 12, 2017 On 6/12/2016 at 7:41 AM, Stefancos said: Oh come on! Williams has never been great when using synth. True. He should definitely not go mostly synth - and I am sure he won't, and that Spielberg won't ask for it. He should get another composer if that's what he wants. Synths is not Williams' force and to ask him to do a synth based score would be just stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jay 37,346 Posted June 12, 2017 Author Popular Post Share Posted June 12, 2017 1 minute ago, Simon R. said: True. He should definitely not go mostly synth - and I am sure he won't, and that Spielberg won't ask for it. He should get another composer if that's what he wants. Synths is not Williams' force and to ask him to do a synth based score would be just stupid. Whaaaaat? You think a great composer with 6 decades of experience in the industry couldn't write a great synth score if he wanted to? Pish posh! Will, Once and Ricard 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon R. 10 Posted June 12, 2017 Share Posted June 12, 2017 5 minutes ago, Jay said: Whaaaaat? You think a great composer with 6 decades of experience in the industry couldn't write a great synth score if he wanted to? Pish posh! Of course he couldn't. You think he'd be able to write a great pop smash hit too, just because he has 6 decades of 99.9% symphonic writing under his belt? An electronic score requires a totally different foundation based in synth programming/synth production knowledge. Unless you consider Presumed Innocent and A.I.'s use of synth good by any standard - if that is the case, by all means, Williams can pull it off. Those are not my definition of synth scores, it's more or less synths adding a little flavour of a more or less successful kind. But a modern, REALLY synth based score... No. I am sure that nobody would ever tell Williams to write a synth based score. Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 4,651 Posted June 12, 2017 Share Posted June 12, 2017 8 minutes ago, Simon R. said: I am sure that nobody would ever tell Williams to write a synth based score. Heartbeeps begs to differ. Once and Will 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon R. 10 Posted June 12, 2017 Share Posted June 12, 2017 10 minutes ago, Tom said: Heartbeeps begs to differ. And just because someone made that mistake in 1981 doesn't mean anyone should repeat it now, 36 years later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,346 Posted June 12, 2017 Author Share Posted June 12, 2017 Wow dude, you're harsh. I think John Towner Williams is perfectly capable of writing a synth score. Ricard and Once 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted June 12, 2017 Share Posted June 12, 2017 Its not really in his wheelhouse I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted June 12, 2017 Share Posted June 12, 2017 Indeed. Just like his concert work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 4,651 Posted June 12, 2017 Share Posted June 12, 2017 1 hour ago, Simon R. said: And just because someone made that mistake in 1981 doesn't mean anyone should repeat it now, 36 years later. I am not sure you know how logic works. You claimed no one would ever ask Williams to write a synth score. All it takes is one counterexample to prove your claim wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry B 50 Posted June 12, 2017 Share Posted June 12, 2017 Electronic music is not a monolithic art that one either understands or doesn't. Williams has incorporated synthesizers and electronic instruments into many of his scores, so it's safe to say he's not totally ignorant of the electronic side of music. I think it's also safe to say that Williams doesn't have Hans Zimmer's fluency in modern digital audio production. There are some things he knows and there are some things he doesn't know. Yeah, he wrote Heartbeeps almost forty years ago. That doesn't mean he's fully equipped to write the kind of electronic music that's in vogue right now. Ricard and Will 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted June 12, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted June 12, 2017 There is a difference between writing for electronic instruments and actually executing the music. Williams is entirely able to do the former, it is no different than anything else he ever does, the colors he has in mind are just different. Take a look at the WOTW prelude, for example. There are so many synthesizer components in that that he wrote it in two different passes, an electronic ensemble and his usual orchestra, but the electronic score looks exactly the same as any others of his, with his usual adjectival description of the sounds he wants - "pretty," "glassy," "sepulchral," etc. The execution is what he would likely be unable to do on his own. But at this point, he has such an effective shorthand with Randy Kerber and other session keyboardists that they are very able to know clearly what sounds he is after and program accordingly. He has a number of recurring colors by now, and to get new ones would be a simple process of standing over Randy's shoulder while he fiddles with it. Ricard, Will and Taikomochi 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted June 12, 2017 Share Posted June 12, 2017 It is a well-known fact that Williams usually lets Angela Morley deals with the synth material in his scores. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon McBride 113 Posted June 12, 2017 Share Posted June 12, 2017 Guys, admit it. Williams can't write for synth. They should get someone younger, like Giacchino! Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Tom 4,651 Posted June 12, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted June 12, 2017 1 hour ago, Henry Buck said: Electronic music is not a monolithic art that one either understands or doesn't. Williams has incorporated synthesizers and electronic instruments into many of his scores, so it's safe to say he's not totally ignorant of the electronic side of music. I think it's also safe to say that Williams doesn't have Hans Zimmer's fluency in modern digital audio production. There are some things he knows and there are some things he doesn't know. Yeah, he wrote Heartbeeps almost forty years ago. That doesn't mean he's fully equipped to write the kind of electronic music that's in vogue right now. Context, context, context. we are talking about RPO, so if there were a desire to have a synth-heavy score it would be so to "mimic" that sound of the 80s, not the current Zimmer trend. If Williams could do it in the 80s, he can do it in his 80s. All that being said, my guess is Spielberg will want a score of a 80s "Williams sound," which will not heavily, if at all, feature synths. DarthDementous, Will and Ricard 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted June 12, 2017 Share Posted June 12, 2017 1 hour ago, Hawmy said: Guys, admit it. Williams can't write for synth. They should get someone younger, like Giacchino! Junkie XL! This film clearly needs the mastermind behind Deadpool! Simon McBride 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Romão 2,274 Posted June 12, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted June 12, 2017 Sleepers used synths brilliantly Sandor, Miguel Andrade, Ricard and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted June 13, 2017 Share Posted June 13, 2017 Junkie is a synth wizard. The suggestion of Giacchino's electronic talents, while jesting, is still... offensive. Thor 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted June 13, 2017 Share Posted June 13, 2017 While Williams, with help, would certainly be able to pull of a fully synthetic score. Why would you hire him for that? It would be like asking Mick Jagger to write a piano concerto. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted June 13, 2017 Share Posted June 13, 2017 If it weren't for Spielberg this would be a prime candidate for Jackman. The base level of the novel is not more demanding than 'Wreck it Ralph' or these Lego movies. Williams probably would have to be needled a lot in the right direction to supply not the synth work but an understanding for the winky feel and zeitgeist. On the other hand, a straight orchestral action/adventure score might be musically the best outcome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Docteur Qui 1,544 Posted June 13, 2017 Share Posted June 13, 2017 I just finished the book and holy moly is it garbage. The second half is somehow even more poorly written than the first, I'm amazed I made it to the end. There's a lot of things that should and could work but the execution is shocking. I hope Spielberg can make a good movie out of it. Simon McBride 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon McBride 113 Posted June 13, 2017 Share Posted June 13, 2017 2 minutes ago, Docteur Qui said: I just finished the book and holy moly is it garbage. The second half is somehow even more poorly written than the first, I'm amazed I made it to the end. There's a lot of things that should and could work but the execution is shocking. I hope Spielberg can make a good movie out of it. This is how I felt. The very basic of idea was pretty decent and could have made a good book, but Cline just didn't do a good job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandor 797 Posted June 13, 2017 Share Posted June 13, 2017 7 hours ago, Romão said: Sleepers used synths brilliantly This. End of discussion. Miguel Andrade and Marcus 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,306 Posted June 13, 2017 Share Posted June 13, 2017 Spielberg rarely adapts source material to the letter. He seems more attracted to ideas within a book and extrapolates his own ideas from there. None of Jurassic Park, The Lost World, War of the Worlds, Artificial Intelligence or Minority Report are slavish to their source material. Arguably his historical dramas more closely followed historical events by necessity; Schindler's List (Schindler's Ark), Lincoln (Team of Rivals), Munich (Vengeance), etc. I've never read Tintin or the BFG so I'm not sure how closely those matched the book. From all accounts Robopocalyse had little in common with the book upon which it was based. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted June 13, 2017 Share Posted June 13, 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 4,651 Posted June 13, 2017 Share Posted June 13, 2017 I hear in the first draft, Lincoln lives and retires to a country estate. Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Disco Stu 15,495 Posted June 13, 2017 Share Posted June 13, 2017 1 hour ago, crumbs said: Spielberg rarely adapts source material to the letter. He seems more attracted to ideas within a book and develops his own ideas from there. None of Jurassic Park, The Lost World, War of the Worlds, Artificial Intelligence or Minority Report are slavish to their source material. And like with Jurassic Park, the author of the novel is a credited screenwriter. I'm never going to read Ready, Player One so I'll leave it to others to tell me how faithful or unfaithful it is. crumbs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will 2,215 Posted June 13, 2017 Share Posted June 13, 2017 3 hours ago, crumbs said: I've never read Tintin or the BFG so I'm not sure how closely those matched the book. From all accounts Robopocalyse had little in common with the book upon which it was based. BFG was pretty faithful, IIRC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon McBride 113 Posted June 13, 2017 Share Posted June 13, 2017 20 hours ago, TheGreyPilgrim said: Junkie is a synth wizard. The suggestion of Giacchino's electronic talents, while jesting, is still... offensive. Yeah, I realized that after I posted it. Luckily Disco Stu came to the rescue and replaced Giacchino with another mildly disliked composer who is actually known for synth stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,278 Posted June 13, 2017 Share Posted June 13, 2017 9 hours ago, crumbs said: Spielberg rarely adapts source material to the letter. He seems more attracted to ideas within a book and extrapolates his own ideas from there. None of Jurassic Park, The Lost World, War of the Worlds, Artificial Intelligence or Minority Report are slavish to their source material. Arguably his historical dramas more closely followed historical events by necessity; Schindler's List (Schindler's Ark), Lincoln (Team of Rivals), Munich (Vengeance), etc. I've never read Tintin or the BFG so I'm not sure how closely those matched the book. From all accounts Robopocalyse had little in common with the book upon which it was based. Jaws is another one that makes significant departures from its source. Never read The Color Purple so I dunno how that compared. I've seen some heavy criticism from fans of the book, though. I agree with Will that BFG is pretty close. Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted June 13, 2017 Share Posted June 13, 2017 I'm pleased that Jaws deviated so heavily from the book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,278 Posted June 14, 2017 Share Posted June 14, 2017 You mean you don't think that movie really needs an affair between Hooper and Mrs Brody? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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