Bespin 8,480 Posted June 11, 2016 Share Posted June 11, 2016 For my part, I never get used to the original Return of The Jedi album... Too much action cues... and the unforgivable missing of the Death of Yoda and the Final duel! What's yours? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SafeUnderHill 205 Posted June 11, 2016 Share Posted June 11, 2016 bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,287 Posted June 11, 2016 Share Posted June 11, 2016 I think you mean "least" not "less" in your thread title. Assuming you do, my picks are A.I. Artificial Intelligence Return of the Jedi Temple of Doom Kingdom of the Crystal Skull Star Trek Into Darkness Gremlins Aini and Bespin 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,037 Posted June 11, 2016 Share Posted June 11, 2016 As far as Williams scores go, KOTCS definitely comes to mind. ROTS, too, to a lesser degree. There's a lot of good stuff missing from the album, some of which is quite unique. Outside of Williams' work, I think the score for The Lion King was criminally underrepresented on its OST, since so much time was allotted to the wonderful songs and their silly Elton John versions. SafeUnderHill 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,480 Posted June 11, 2016 Author Share Posted June 11, 2016 36 minutes ago, Jay said: A.I. Artificial Intelligence Well the three acts of this masterly score is certainly impossible to resume on a single album! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkissimo 1,973 Posted June 12, 2016 Share Posted June 12, 2016 Return of the Jedi. A disgrace. Bespin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,233 Posted June 12, 2016 Share Posted June 12, 2016 The Eiger Sanction! Sharkissimo and Omen II 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted June 12, 2016 Share Posted June 12, 2016 Die Hard With A Vengeance OST mstrox 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,287 Posted June 12, 2016 Share Posted June 12, 2016 Yes!!! I knew there was a major one I was forgetting! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,480 Posted June 12, 2016 Author Share Posted June 12, 2016 Just remember we are in the John Williams section... SafeUnderHill 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted June 12, 2016 Share Posted June 12, 2016 It seems Drax and I are the only ones that not only love the ROTJ album, but can even tolerate it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted June 12, 2016 Share Posted June 12, 2016 Most people just haven't figured out the artistry of album production and absorbing the music in a completely different way. I love a complete and chronological score as much as any, but when an album is done like RotJ and ToD, it's a different experience. Not better or worse, just different, and just as valid. I'm finding more and more that film score fans are dogmatically rigid in their listening habits and demand for "more, more!" regardless of flow or pacing. Gruesome Son of a Bitch 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkissimo 1,973 Posted June 12, 2016 Share Posted June 12, 2016 1 hour ago, Shatner's Rug said: Most people just haven't figured out the artistry of album production and absorbing the music in a completely different way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,465 Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 I can't really think of one. It would need to be one of those albums that had mostly songs, and then just a score track or two when the score was -- in actuality -- far more extensive than that. But right now, I can't think of any such albums. Even JFK and BORN ON THE 4TH OF JULY had extensive and (IMO) representative score selections, even if at least half the album was made up of songs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gnome in Plaid 219 Posted June 16, 2016 Share Posted June 16, 2016 Born on the 4th of July and Return of the Jedi I think are the worst. In my opinion, the best pieces from each were left off the album. Revenge of the Sith had a lot left off the album release, but unlike the first two I mentioned, it's not so much a matter of leaving off excellent cues as much as there being too much great music to fit onto one album. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted June 16, 2016 Share Posted June 16, 2016 Still not understanding why ROTJ is such a bad album to so many people. Gruesome Son of a Bitch 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted June 16, 2016 Share Posted June 16, 2016 Not enough music! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,480 Posted June 16, 2016 Author Share Posted June 16, 2016 Temple of doom was mentionned, but personally I think that's Last Crusade that lacks the most of great cues, especially those at the end of the movie. 1 hour ago, Shatner's Rug said: Still not understanding why ROTJ is such a bad album to so many people. No Yoda's Death and no Final duel. Congrats for the "spoiler free" tracklist... But we needed less disco and more pathos! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted June 16, 2016 Share Posted June 16, 2016 10 minutes ago, Bespin said: No Yoda's Death and no Final duel. But did the OST really need those tracks? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,465 Posted June 16, 2016 Share Posted June 16, 2016 It just occured to me that the original albums for TOM SAWYER and GOODBYE MR. CHIPS (which I'm currently looking for over at the marketplace) weren't representative of Williams' original material. So I would pick them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TownerFan 4,983 Posted June 16, 2016 Share Posted June 16, 2016 7 minutes ago, Shatner's Rug said: But did the OST really need those tracks? The Final Duel is one of the musical highlights of the trilogy, so I say, yes, the OST needed it. Bespin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,480 Posted June 16, 2016 Author Share Posted June 16, 2016 If I could turn back time (oh I've heard that before...) Return of The Jedi - The Original Motion Picture Soundtrack 01 Main Title/Approaching the Death Star 02 The Return of The Jedi 03 The Emperor Arrives 04 The Death of Yoda 05 Parade of the Ewoks 06 Luke and Leia 07 The Forest Battle 08 Final Duel/Into The Death Star 09 Leia Breaks the News/Funeral Pyre for a Jedi 10 Ewok Celebration and Finale Total Time : 45 minutes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,287 Posted June 16, 2016 Share Posted June 16, 2016 Into The Trap is an essential ROTJ cue!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,480 Posted June 16, 2016 Author Share Posted June 16, 2016 2 minutes ago, Jay said: Into The Trap is an essential ROTJ cue!!!!! There will go your post! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted June 16, 2016 Share Posted June 16, 2016 10 minutes ago, TownerFan said: The Final Duel is one of the musical highlights of the trilogy, so I say, yes, the OST needed it. Would this not have interrupted the flow that Williams very carefully considered when he created his album arrangement? Perhaps he felt that this music slowed the pacing down? 2 minutes ago, Bespin said: If I could turn back time (oh I've heard that before...) Return of The Jedi - The Original Motion Picture Soundtrack 01 Main Title/Approaching the Deathstar 02 The Return of the Jedi 03 The Emperor Arrives 04 The Death of Yoda 05 Parade of the Ewoks 06 Luke and Leia 07 The Forest Battle 08 Final Duel/Into The Deathstar 09 Leia Breaks tghe News/Funeral Pyre for a Jedi 10 Ewok Celebration and Finale Total Time : 45 minutes Where's Lapti Nek? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,480 Posted June 16, 2016 Author Share Posted June 16, 2016 2 minutes ago, Shatner's Rug said: Where's Lapti Nek? In the seventies! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted June 16, 2016 Share Posted June 16, 2016 Just now, Bespin said: In the end of the 70's. It's an essential break from the main orchestral body. Helps make the album more interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,480 Posted June 16, 2016 Author Share Posted June 16, 2016 Just now, Shatner's Rug said: It's an essential break from the main orchestral body. Helps make the album more interesting. It never has the potential of the Cantina Band. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted June 16, 2016 Share Posted June 16, 2016 Just now, Bespin said: It never has the potential of the Cantina Band. I think it's better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,480 Posted June 16, 2016 Author Share Posted June 16, 2016 21 minutes ago, Thor said: It just occured to me that the original albums for TOM SAWYER and GOODBYE MR. CHIPS (which I'm currently looking for over at the marketplace) weren't representative of Williams' original material. So I would pick them. That's not the same thing. I think that these two where well representative as they contained both the highlight songs of... a musical comedy. 3 minutes ago, Shatner's Rug said: I think it's better. Yes, I think it's why it has been covered so many times since 1980. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted June 16, 2016 Share Posted June 16, 2016 4 minutes ago, Bespin said: Yes, I think it's why it has been covered so many times since 1980. But Lapti Nek wasn't done until 1983. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,480 Posted June 16, 2016 Author Share Posted June 16, 2016 17 minutes ago, Shatner's Rug said: But Lapti Nek wasn't done until 1983. Sorry, the 3 doesn't work on my keyboard! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted June 16, 2016 Share Posted June 16, 2016 2 minutes ago, Bespin said: Sorry, the 3 doesn't work on my keyboard! How did you get it to work just then? Once 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted June 16, 2016 Share Posted June 16, 2016 Character map. Copy and paste. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted June 16, 2016 Share Posted June 16, 2016 20 minutes ago, WojinPA said: Character map. Copy and paste. Shh! I was expecting him to um and uh about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,465 Posted June 16, 2016 Share Posted June 16, 2016 2 hours ago, Bespin said: That's not the same thing. I think that these two where well representative as they contained both the highlight songs of... a musical comedy. They were representative of the songs, yes (containing, well, ALL the songs), but not the original score. But yeah, not exactly the same as a purely instrumental Williams score, I guess. But it's the closest I can get to any response in this thread. I basically think all original albums are great representations of the score. As far as I can remember, Williams has never really had a 'songtrack' released that just had one score track or two. Unlucky Bastard 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rough cut 1,714 Posted June 16, 2016 Share Posted June 16, 2016 On 12 juni 2016 at 7:26 PM, Shatner's Rug said: Most people just haven't figured out the artistry of album production and absorbing the music in a completely different way. Agreed! I'd like to put Home Alone 2 in the spotlight... There's a cut-and-paste job if there ever was one (although not missing any major cues), but a helluva good listen thanks to good album production. Unlucky Bastard and Gruesome Son of a Bitch 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,625 Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 I'd say Revenge of the sith. I began liking the score a lot better once unreleased music began showing up in videogames Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 4,891 Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 I love the TPM ost, but the presentation itself is just bizarre. There's no cohesive order, just a bunch of random cues mixed together. Not to mention a lot of that music wan't even in the film, and a lot of the main film music was missing. TPM Ultimate Edition is almost as bad, although at least everything isn't out of order. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 An film score album doesn't necessarily need to be presented in chronological film order to make sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 But TPM still was unnecessarily jumbled and favoured filler music (often as long first or last part of more unified material). In short, it's a dream come true for the little album producer in all of us, ironing out the shitty edits, making new ones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 4,891 Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 47 minutes ago, Shatner's Rug said: An film score album doesn't necessarily need to be presented in chronological film order to make sense. Well, for a film score it would make the most sense to have most everything in order. The editing done on that album was unnecessary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,465 Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 TPM is a fantastic OST -- perfectly arranged for listening! I don't care for the Ultimate Edition, of course, but it surprises me that 'expansion fans' don't either. I know there's something about 'film edits' or whatever, but even after repeated efforts at explanations, I still don't quite understand why this isn't exactly what C&C fans crave. Maybe I'm stupid or unable to enter your mindset, but it doesn't seem like much of a difference from other C&C releases to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 12 minutes ago, Thor said: I know there's something about 'film edits' or whatever, but even after repeated efforts at explanations, I still don't quite understand why this isn't exactly what C&C fans crave. Maybe I'm stupid or unable to enter your mindset, but it doesn't seem like much of a difference from other C&C releases to me. You answered your own question by referring to film edits. They're jarring, unmusical and interrupt the flow. People want what Williams intended for those scenes, not how they were edited to serve Lucas' pedantic last minute slicing. For example, I'd be breaking things if LLL released Independence Day with film edits. The film version of the end titles takes a snippet from Base Attack, whereas the recorded version has a softer rendition of the flyers' theme. The film version of Evacuation loops moments to accommodate some inserts. And so on. Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,465 Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 OK, thanks. I guess my confusion stems from the fact that I've always thought C&C fans want all the music from the film, exactly as it appears in the film. Hence I've been unable to see much of a difference between this and that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TownerFan 4,983 Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 Williams is usually very good at arranging his OSTs. Of course there are exceptions, so some albums are less successful than others. As for leaving out some killer cue (the above mentioned Final Duel from ROTJ, The Helicopter Sequence from Superman, David and the Specialist from A.I., Father and Son from Jaws come to mind), my hunch is that it's mostly because he probably thinks the cue is not "interesting enough". We know the man is very humble and self-deprecating when it comes to his own stuff Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,480 Posted June 17, 2016 Author Share Posted June 17, 2016 1 hour ago, TownerFan said: Williams is usually very good at arranging his OSTs. Of course there are exceptions, so some albums are less successful than others. As for leaving out some killer cue (the above mentioned Final Duel from ROTJ, The Helicopter Sequence from Superman, David and the Specialist from A.I., Father and Son from Jaws come to mind), my hunch is that it's mostly because he probably thinks the cue is not "interesting enough". We know the man is very humble and self-deprecating when it comes to his own stuff For ROTJ, as the third and last Star Wars, Williams may have received a specific directive that the track list have to be "spoiler free". So it can explain the deliberate absence of some important cues like "The Death of Yoda" and "Final Duel". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,713 Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 Also the 45 minute LP length of the OST might have something to do with it. And with the Phantom Menace you can see Williams' modesty at work as he is obviously focusing on the new material very obstinately even, seeming almost embarrased to present cue containing the older material/themes. This might in part explain why some of the absolute highlights were left off the album. He was always quick to point out how little, 10%, there was of old themes in the new score. Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,287 Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 5 hours ago, Thor said: OK, thanks. I guess my confusion stems from the fact that I've always thought C&C fans want all the music from the film, exactly as it appears in the film. Hence I've been unable to see much of a difference between this and that. God no! No one wants film edits! How has it taken you decades to realize this? Pieter Boelen 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 Superman has tons of film edits, but who the hell would want those on CD? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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