TheUlyssesian 2,478 Posted July 17, 2016 Share Posted July 17, 2016 The current Superman seems by all accounts a mentally fragile depressed downer borderline case. Would he seem more heroic, optimistic and inspiring when accompanied by John Williams Superman score? You decide. Christopher Reeve: "I owe a tremendous debt of gratitude to John Williams. Without his music, Superman's powers are greatly diminished. Believe me, if you try to fly without that theme, you go nowhere." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted July 17, 2016 Share Posted July 17, 2016 Laughably bad clash of aesthetics. Sharkissimo and Gnome in Plaid 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Muad'Dib 1,802 Posted July 17, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted July 17, 2016 For a moment I read the title as "John Williams scores trailer for Man of Steel 2" and was like HOLY SHIT Then I re-read the title.... rpvee, JacksonElmore and Will 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gnome in Plaid 219 Posted July 17, 2016 Share Posted July 17, 2016 2 hours ago, TheWhiteRider said: Laughably bad clash of aesthetics. Yep. The clash between "very good" and "good God just no" is striking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted July 17, 2016 Share Posted July 17, 2016 I have little opinion on the films themselves, but it is possible to make purely aesthetic judgements without thinking about the exact quality of the things involved, and that's what I did. Point is, I don't care if you think Snyder is the worst thing to happen to cinema in a century, nor if you think that Williams can do no wrong and memorable tunes escape from his arse as he sits on the crapper. There is a reason that film music is different than it was 40 years ago: the films themselves are bloody different. Composers who resist this, when the films themselves don't, are foolish. To try and force two things together from radically different ages, as is done here, and to expect them to co-exist easily... well... we've all seen Jurassic Park. And all for what? Nothing more than to provide masturbation fuel for the zombified anti-Zimmer brigade, I suspect. If anything about the OP video rings true in your brain, well, I'll pray for you. Sharkissimo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gnome in Plaid 219 Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 On 7/17/2016 at 0:48 AM, TheWhiteRider said: I have little opinion on the films themselves, but it is possible to make purely aesthetic judgements without thinking about the exact quality of the things involved, and that's what I did. Point is, I don't care if you think Snyder is the worst thing to happen to cinema in a century, nor if you think that Williams can do no wrong and memorable tunes escape from his arse as he sits on the crapper. There is a reason that film music is different than it was 40 years ago: the films themselves are bloody different. Composers who resist this, when the films themselves don't, are foolish. To try and force two things together from radically different ages, as is done here, and to expect them to co-exist easily... well... we've all seen Jurassic Park. And all for what? Nothing more than to provide masturbation fuel for the zombified anti-Zimmer brigade, I suspect. If anything about the OP video rings true in your brain, well, I'll pray for you. But there's room for writing intelligent music that doesn't sound like something out of the 70s (or earlier). Even if you want to hand-wave away Williams' ongoing contributions as belonging to a different era, Shore, Mansell, and even Zimmer when he's not working in the superhero genre, just to start with, have continued to write excellent music that suit the films they're writing for without sacrificing subtlety, emotion, or skill. Scores like Edge of Darkness, Black Swan, or Sherlock Holmes would have been unimaginable even twenty years ago, but they're crafted with the same intricacy as scores from the past. As for your other points, I do think Snyder is a blight on cinema (although there are worse directors), but there are Williams scores I very much dislike. I didn't find Jurassic Park's score at all out of place, even if I don't think it compares particularly well to most Williams scores. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 I wasn't criticizing Jurassic Park's score.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,286 Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 Haha it almost reads that way. I admit it took me a second. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 Do I have to do the Goldblum quote? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,286 Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 Dixon Hill 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 I hear that metaphysical enlightenment occurs around hour five. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 It was an amateurishly made trailer, but I suppose some of the imagery wasn't too detached from the sounds. All it does is demonstrate that Superman has moved on from old Hollywood sensibilities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gnome in Plaid 219 Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 2 hours ago, TheWhiteRider said: I wasn't criticizing Jurassic Park's score.... Oh haha wow. I did not pick up the joke there. That one's on me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,012 Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 It's not a bad attempt. But I don't want John Williams to be associated with this version. Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUlyssesian 2,478 Posted July 20, 2016 Author Share Posted July 20, 2016 14 hours ago, Lonnegan said: It was an amateurishly made trailer, but I suppose some of the imagery wasn't too detached from the sounds. All it does is demonstrate that Superman has moved on from old Hollywood sensibilities. Well I humbly do accept that I am an amateur. It was just an attempt by me to show Williams' music could potentially redeem anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 That's fair enough. Thank you for sharing my friend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted July 23, 2016 Share Posted July 23, 2016 It would be better with the Prince Batman soundtrack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted July 23, 2016 Share Posted July 23, 2016 While I do think a Williams scored Man of Steel or BvS could work, the old themes simply wouldn't fit anymore. Something in the darker style of A.I, Minority Report, or War of the Worlds would work better. Arpy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted July 24, 2016 Share Posted July 24, 2016 Superman in Snyder's films is a cold reptilian alien, void of love and wonder. Williams' score is the exact opposite of that and therefore makes me want to watch the Donner films again and listen to the scores again and promptly purge my thoughts of the dystopian Superman from Man of Steel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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