Michael Giacchino's SPIDER-MAN: HOMECOMING (2017)

[Disco Stu 15,495]

2 minutes ago, MedigoScan said:

Henry Jackmans work on TWS is still my most favored

but Michael does some nice marvel work

 

Yeah simple and short as it is, I actually quite like Jackman's main Captain motif.  I like Silvestri's full theme better though, so I'm quite conflicted.

[saulocf 79]

15 minutes ago, MedigoScan said:

Henry Jackmans work on TWS is still my most favored

 

Wait.. WHAT?!?!?!?

[Richard Penna 3,671]

Been listening today on Spotify to some of this. I'm not particularly excited by most of the score itself, but I'm loving Giacchino's theme!

 

Zimmer's has always felt very patriotic to me, but this one feels a bit more superhero-like. Has a lot of twists and chord changes that feel surprising - I usually frown on themes I can predict.

[KK 3,307]

22 minutes ago, Richard Penna said:

Has a lot of twists and chord changes that feel surprising - I usually frown on themes I can predict.

 

Lol are we talking about the same theme?

[Richard Penna 3,671]

I guess so. 1:20 in Homecoming Suite?

[MedigoScan 324]

1 hour ago, saulocf said:

 

Wait.. WHAT?!?!?!?

 

you heard me

 

then again I am a sucker for that kind of music

[TheUlyssesian 2,473]

12 hours ago, RPurton said:

I don't remember seeing the Wonder Woman theme credited to Hans Zimmer after seeing that film, not even a "Wonder Woman Theme By..." after Rupert Gregson-Williams name. 

 

It's more of a.... Rhythm than an actual theme right?

7 hours ago, Jay said:

It's the only scoring to come out of the entire MCU besides Silvestri's Captain American and Avengers themes, Elfman's work on Avengers 2, and the Ant-man score that does anything for me.  Actually Lennertz's work for Agent Carter was good too

 

No love for Doyle's work on Thor. He's a very atypical choice to do a superhero score but his themes were really nice.

7 hours ago, James said:

 

In The Avengers : The Age of Ultron too. 

 

That's an adapted and remodelled version, changed enough that it is not silvestri's theme anymore. It is similar but not the same.

[Sharkissimo 1,973]

16 minutes ago, TheUlyssesian said:

It's more of a.... Rhythm than an actual theme right?

 

It's a riff.

 

[Arpy 4,145]

As much as I thought it was quite silly (the Wonder Woman theme) it was so vibrant and had so much character in an otherwise meh-ish score. I despised it in BvS, but ended up liking it in WW... strange.

 

 

Listening to Hoemcoming, Academic Decommitment is fun!

 

EDIT #3 Drag Racing sounds like something out of Speed Racer

[Fancyarcher 350]

I'll say this, for my issues with the score, I quite like the rendition of the Spider-Man theme in Lift Off, good stuff.

[Arpy 4,145]

Lift Off has a strangely heroic rendition of The Vulture's theme at the end and it's great!

[Fancyarcher 350]

11 hours ago, RPurton said:

Lift Off has a strangely heroic rendition of The Vulture's theme at the end and it's great!

 

That version of the vulture theme is strangely "uplifting" sounding too. Guess it fits the title-track, lol.

[crocodile 7,984]

On 07/07/2017 at 5:24 PM, James said:

 

In The Avengers : The Age of Ultron too. 

There is a note in the AOU CD booklet crediting Silvestri themes. But not specifically any cues.

 

Karol

[gkgyver 1,645]

This score has probably some of the weakest themes Giacchino has ever written.

But I'm not complaining, Giacchino nailed enough scores last year.

[Will 2,215]

On 7/6/2017 at 7:03 PM, Damien F said:

The first half of Monumental Meltdown is rather fun too. It uses the same melody from Drag Racing / An Old Van Rundown. Not sure if it is a secondary theme or just an action motif for that part of the movie. I find it more interesting than the main theme.

 

Yeah, love that motive. 

[Disco Stu 15,495]

This score was such a nonentity in the film IMO.  It's always the way with Marvel.  You'll spot recurrences of a theme every now and then if you're listening, but music is mostly kept dialed down when they aren't tracking in a pop song.

[Arpy 4,145]

7 hours ago, Disco Stu said:

This score was such a nonentity in the film IMO.  It's always the way with Marvel.  You'll spot recurrences of a theme every now and then if you're listening, but music is mostly kept dialed down when they aren't tracking in a pop song.

That's a shame. It's probably been discussed in the respective thread, but it's annoying that they dialled the music down against the SFX in TFA. In these Marvel films, the music is a prop which is as superfluous as Tony Stark's CGI helmet!

[Jay 37,287]

On 7/7/2017 at 7:58 PM, TheUlyssesian said:

No love for Doyle's work on Thor. He's a very atypical choice to do a superhero score but his themes were really nice.

 

 

I tried to get into that score but just couldn't.  I listened to the OST album once or twice and it just isn't for me.  That Thor Fights the Destroyer cue is fine, though

[Sharkissimo 1,973]

On 24/06/2017 at 10:51 PM, MikeH said:

What is it about the brass in moments like 0:35 that makes it sound so flat? Is it the orchestration? The recording?  It's an issue I have with a lot of his work, like the Mustafar 'fanfare' moment in Krennic's Aspirations where the trumpets, bones, and tubas sound so heavy and flat.  One thing JW does is he'll double the trumpets with trombones (and sometimes horns) an octave lower to get a real brilliant thick sound, but it's never heavy. Probably because the tuba/s are either not playing or playing something totally different.

 

You're going to have to get @TheGreyPilgrim for this, but I believe it's got something to do with microphone placement.

 

 

[Dixon Hill 4,233]

That's definitely part of it, but the fact that a fantastic engineer like Iwataki is on scores where this sound persists means there's something else involved.  

 

Part of it is voicing, probably.  Sometimes, it has to do with odd writing for the tuba that clouds the sound up, especially when paired with the timpani.  

 

My theory is that, most significantly, it's an issue of putting too many players on parts and having them play too loud - Giacchino seems to often have brass at screechy big band levels, but as with drums, loud does not equal full and sonorous.  Ever hear the anecdote that during, say, a Williams session, triple forte is something much lower than it is for some other composers?  Important stuff.  The same way that Hans gets a large, full percussion sound.  They're not banging the drums at "twat it" levels, not even close.

[Sharkissimo 1,973]

For those interested, here's a few examples of Gia's performance directions.

 

 

 

[Jay 37,287]

Opened up my Spider-man OST this morning to listen to it in the car on the way to work.

The US version doesn't credit Silvestri's Avengers theme despite appearing in tracks 2 and 20, not that I expected it to be any different from the UK version Karol got

[Disco Stu 15,495]

The occurrence in track 2 is the actual first music you hear in the film (even before the 60s theme) and it actually makes a lot of sense to use specifically Silvestri's music in the context of that opening.

 

Spoiler

The opening of the movie takes place literally in the aftermath of the New York battle from the first Avengers

 

[Disco Stu 15,495]

I can't believe the love this score is getting in other pockets of film score enthusiasts online.  I just don't get it.  

[Not Mr. Big 4,639]

47 minutes ago, Disco Stu said:

I can't believe the love this score is getting in other pockets of film score enthusiasts online.  I just don't get it.  

Yeah.  One of the film score people I follow on Twitter had a ranking of the Spider-Man scores with Homecoming in first place.  Absolute fucking madness!

[BloodBoal 7,538]

3 minutes ago, Not Mr. Big said:

Yeah.  One of the film score people I follow on Twitter had a ranking of the Spider-Man scores with Homecoming in first place.  Absolute fucking madness!

 

What are you waiting for? Unfollow him!

[MedigoScan 324]

the avengers theme was at least credited in the actual credits

also the film I saw didnt have the music that toned down

allthough the second half of 'world is changing' seems to have been replaced or buried under source music, annoyingly

the soundtrack worked well for the movie at any rate

[Disco Stu 15,495]

1 minute ago, MedigoScan said:

the avengers theme was at least credited in the actual credits

also the film I saw didnt have the music that toned down

allthough the second half of 'world is changing' seems to have been replaced or buried under source music, annoyingly

the soundtrack worked well for the movie at any rate

 

To be fair, 95% of modern Hollywood movies tone down the music too much for me.  They opted long ago for an all-out aural assault.

[Damien F 1,742]

1 hour ago, Not Mr. Big said:

Yeah.  One of the film score people I follow on Twitter had a ranking of the Spider-Man scores with Homecoming in first place.  Absolute fucking madness!

 

I saw that too. I also saw another film score person tweeting today that Rogue One is better than TFA. I know people have different tastes but these are insane rankings.

 

I enjoy parts of Homecoming but I'd place Elfman's, Young's and Horner's scores above Homecoming.

[MedigoScan 324]

also the OST isnt missing much noteworthy, besides maybe some fun chase music when Spidey hijacks flash's car

[MikeH 768]

1 hour ago, Not Mr. Big said:

Yeah.  One of the film score people I follow on Twitter had a ranking of the Spider-Man scores with Homecoming in first place.  Absolute fucking madness!

 

Wait, was it Giacchino? 

[Fancyarcher 350]

1 hour ago, Disco Stu said:

 

To be fair, 95% of modern Hollywood movies tone down the music too much for me.  They opted long ago for an all-out aural assault.

 

Modern Hollywood is literally afraid of any moviegoer remembering the score at this point, and they're "anti-theme". It's insane. 

[Disco Stu 15,495]

4 minutes ago, Fancyarcher said:

 

Modern Hollywood is literally afraid of any moviegoer remembering the score at this point, and they're "anti-theme". It's insane. 

 

Its honestly shocking sometimes to watch a blockbuster movie from even as recent as the late 90s and hear how much more space composers were regularly given.

[Dixon Hill 4,233]

2 hours ago, BloodBoal said:

 

What are you waiting for? Unfollow him!

 

Send threats first!

[Fancyarcher 350]

5 minutes ago, Disco Stu said:

 

Its honestly shocking sometimes to watch a blockbuster movie from even as recent as the late 90s and hear how much more space composers were regularly given.

 

Heck even some of the early 2000s blockbusters brought us music that was actually noticeable and present during the film. These days the only time I ever notice music that much is when it plays over the credits, which is not a great sign. 

[Disco Stu 15,495]

6 minutes ago, Fancyarcher said:

 

Heck even some of the early 2000s blockbusters brought us music that was actually noticeable and present during the film. These days the only time I ever notice music that much is when it plays over the credits, which is not a great sign. 

 

The only chance composers might get a chance to shine these days is over montages, but even those were *all* set to pop songs in Spider-Man: Homecoming as far as I remember, and that's pretty common I think.

[Fancyarcher 350]

Just now, Disco Stu said:

 

The only chance composers might get a chance to shine these days is over montages, but even those were *all* set to pop songs in Spider-Man: Homecoming as far as I remember.

 

Montages are always set to pop songs these days. I can't even recall the last mainstream film that had a montage that featured some stirring orchestral music. It's been far too long. 

[MedigoScan 324]

Yeah just look at the Hobbit trilogy, where Hackson decided to silence/cut up or 'quiet down' the best part of those movies

but hey at least we had Interstellar to deafen us

 

[Dixon Hill 4,233]

2 minutes ago, Fancyarcher said:

 

Montages are always set to pop songs these days. I can't even recall the last mainstream film that had a montage that featured some stirring orchestral music. It's been far too long. 

 

Most Nolan movies end this way!  

[Fancyarcher 350]

7 minutes ago, TheGreyPilgrim said:

 

Most Nolan movies end this way!  

 

Well in those case those last scenes aren't really "montages", as much as its a big moment. TDKR was the only one to feature a montage of sorts, and the last scene was still a "next generation of Batman" thing. 

[Sharkissimo 1,973]

3 hours ago, Not Mr. Big said:

Yeah.  One of the film score people I follow on Twitter had a ranking of the Spider-Man scores with Homecoming in first place.  Absolute fucking madness!

 

It's a confluence of Gen Xers and millennials who've grown up with Giacchino's music (MOH, Lost, The Incredibles, Ratatouille, Up, Trek, Jurassic World, Rogue One), the aggressive Marvel hype machine (the false promise of novelty with a "new" Spiderman), and the cultural amnesia of commodity fetishism. The latest product is the best, until the next, and then the one after that. Giacchino's music is the perfect film score product. Crude, easily digestible and utterly ephemeral.   

 

Mark my words, this score will be a footnote come December.

 

 

[Arpy 4,145]

Had a chance to listen to the score a couple of times yesterday. It certainly doesn't have the thematic heft that Elfman's did, but I find it more enjoyable than Horner's in places. 

 

A crude ranking of favourite to least favourite:

1.Spider-Man 2

2.Spider-Man

3.Homecoming/Spider-Man 3

4.The Amazing Spider-Man

5.The Amazing Spider-Man 2

[Jwfan2234 59]

Anyone have the Spider-Man 3 Soundtrack? Seems impossible to find

[Jay 37,287]

That's because Young's score didn't get an album. The only soundtrack was a pop song collection. 

[MikeH 768]

2 hours ago, Sharky said:

 

It's a confluence of Gen Xers and millennials who've grown up with Giacchino's music (MOH, Lost, The Incredibles, Ratatouille, Up, Trek, Jurassic World, Rogue One), the aggressive Marvel hype machine (the false promise of novelty with a "new" Spiderman), and the cultural amnesia of commodity fetishism. The latest product is the best, until the next, and then the one after that. Giacchino's music is the perfect film score product. Crude, easily digestible and utterly ephemeral.   

 

 

 

 

http://dorksideoftheforce.com/2017/06/06/michael-giacchinos-rogue-one-score-favorite-star-wars-soundtrack/

 

 

17 minutes ago, Jay said:

That's because Young's score didn't get an album. The only soundtrack was a pop song collection. 

 

Such a shame too.  Over the years I heard that one of the reasons was because they'd have to micro edit all of the Elfman references out of the score for legal reasons. It never made sense to me unless Danny has some stipulations in his contracts regarding his themes...I was under the impression that the studio owns everything. 

[Arpy 4,145]

I was under the impression that an album was in the works, with a tracklist etc. The fallout with Raimi and Elfman on Spidey 2 must've had large repercussions for how they were going to use the music for 3. Young had to work around Elfman's score and Sony and Raimi couldn't exactly throw away Elfman's theme!

 

The Birth of Sandman is a brilliant cue and all of the propulsive, hard-hitting action music by Young is really some of the best action music the franchise has seen.

[ComposerEthan 8]

I kinda liked the score and went in blind (didn't listen to the suite or any music before the watching).  The use of the original 60's theme in the logo gave me hope but hearing MGs real theme for Spiderman was okay. It did remind me of tintin.  

 

However all I could hum at the end was Vulture's theme. Anyone else draw parallels to the Bond motif from Casino Royale, at least to the first half of the Vulture theme?  It's all I can think about. 

[Unlucky Bastard 7,782]

1. The Amazing Spider-Man, Horner

2. Spider-Man, Elfman

3. Spider-Man 3, Young

4. Spider-Man 2, Elfman

5. The Amazing Spider-Man 2, Zimmer

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6. Spider-Man: Homecoming

 

This score might be worse than Independence Day: Resurgence.

[crocodile 7,984]

Spider-Man: Homecoming is the finest musical composition in the history of human kind.

 

Karol

[Richard Penna 3,671]

8 hours ago, MikeH said:

Such a shame too.  Over the years I heard that one of the reasons was because they'd have to micro edit all of the Elfman references out of the score for legal reasons. It never made sense to me unless Danny has some stipulations in his contracts regarding his themes...I was under the impression that the studio owns everything. 

 

An extension of that same idea, which I heard, was that Elfman got the rights to his themes from the studio. It would explain why Young was given the option of micro-editing all of them out for an album release - Elfman maybe wouldn't have allowed their use on album.

 

3 hours ago, ComposerEthan said:

I kinda liked the score and went in blind (didn't listen to the suite or any music before the watching).  The use of the original 60's theme in the logo gave me hope but hearing MGs real theme for Spiderman was okay. It did remind me of tintin.  

 

However all I could hum at the end was Vulture's theme. Anyone else draw parallels to the Bond motif from Casino Royale, at least to the first half of the Vulture theme?  It's all I can think about. 

 

That surprises me - I thought the Vulture theme was one of the least memorable/original themes for the entire franchise, and that his main theme was one of the better ones (I think it's better than Horner's, and almost better than Zimmer's).