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Michael Giacchino's Spider-Man: Homecoming (2017)

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I'm not going to trek out to the theater for either, but will happily watch both at home with a beer in my hand

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You don't see anything in a theater!

 

I'm very resentful (not really).  You could go to the theater all the time and don't.  I can't and would love to.  Being able to actually do a double feature this past Saturday was manna from heaven for me.

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My cinema going has become more diffuse lately since all these blockbusters are being released back to back. I just can't afford it. But my cable TV more than makes up for it since it enables me to watch a different movie almost every night if I have the time.

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Since we bought a house there's just so much to do at it, trekking out for a theater trip generally isn't in the cards.  We're also so much further away from any theater than we used to be.

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Meanwhile i consider myself lucky to have a Pathe like system that lets you see as many movies as you want for a monthly subscription

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They don't have that in the USA so much I believe.

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2 hours ago, Disco Stu said:

I'm very resentful (not really).  You could go to the theater all the time and don't.  I can't and would love to.  Being able to actually do a double feature this past Saturday was manna from heaven for me.

 

I have around 50 cinemas within 5 kilometers of me and i go thrice a year when i am on vacation. You can have them all!

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Meanwhile, the 3 closest cinemas to me are all 30 minute drives in different directions.

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52 minutes ago, publicist said:

 

I have around 50 cinemas within 5 kilometers of me and i go thrice a year when i am on vacation. You can have them all!

 

Porn cinemas I assume?

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Oh wait Iron Man does have a theme in this score after all.

 

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Timestamps?

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Awesome thanks, I'll check it out!

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4 hours ago, crocodile said:

Oh wait Iron Man does have a theme in this score after all.

 

Karol

He does, but it is pretty bad. I wonder why Giacchino didn't choose to quote Tyler's instead, he seems to be the master of quoting past franchise themes and did a nice job adapting Silverstri's theme

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Because then it would be confusing,  because his Spider-Man theme already sounds like Tyler's themes. 

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6 hours ago, crocodile said:

Oh wait Iron Man does have a theme in this score after all.

 

5 hours ago, crocodile said:

Track 6 - 3:51

Track 13 - 1:52

Track 20 - 0:40

 

 

I hear it!  Thanks for sharing!

 

I'm sure its a theme that works fine in the film when he shows up, but its not terribly exciting on its own, nor would it ever lend itself to a concert arrangement, etc.

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3 hours ago, MedigoScan said:

we should be glad the avengers theme keeps being used

 

That's a minor miracle given the MCU thematic consistency. Probably the reason they are bringing Silvestri back for the Avengers sequels.

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Monumental Meltdown is easily one of my favourite Giacchino cues from recent years.

 

As saulocf noted, it would have been nice to hear Brian Tyler's Iron Man theme instead of the throwaway melody that we got. Perhaps Tyler's falling out with Marvel has stymied any chance of musical continuity with his MCU scores. At least we got snippets of Silvestri's theme!

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Webbed Surveillance, Drag Racing, Monumental Meltdown and Liftoff are highlights- all propulsive action cues with clear thematic development of both Spider-Man's and The Vulture's themes.

 

Academic Decommitment sounds like it could be of the same vein as Inside Out or Zootopia, but it's still cool.

 

 

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6 hours ago, RPurton said:

Academic Decommitment sounds like it could be of the same vein as Inside Out or Zootopia, but it's still cool.

 

 

It sounds an awful lot like his Cars 2 score.

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I really enjoyed Iron Man's theme--my favorite of the three (?) Iron Man themes so far, honestly. I thought it sounded heroic, sort of how Peter would think of Mr. Stark, and I really like its appearances the "Ferry Dust Up" and "A Stark Contrast" tracks. I think it has a lot of potential, and I'd love to hear Giacchino get to use it again in the future.

 

There's a great interview here about Giacchino's work on this and War for the Planet of the Apes, and he confirms that his Spider-Man theme is supposed to be young and clumsy like the character, which is why I think I like it more than the other Spider-Man themes (though, admittedly, I'm not 100% sure what part of Elfman's main titles is his main theme, even after several listens).

 

What I like about Giacchino's Marvel scores (that other people might not like so much) is that his themes aren't just heroic fanfares. Spider-Man's theme is clumsy and Doctor Strange's theme is kind of sad, but I think both themes reflect their characters well (and I still think that both themes receive pretty heroic renditions in their respective scores). Iron Man's theme sounds the most heroic to me, but that's also how Peter imagines Iron Man, so it's still fitting to the character in a way. And I think the other themes in both scores fit their films just fine. The Ancient One's theme is very mystic and is probably my favorite from Doctor Strange, and while both films' love themes appear only briefly in the films/scores themselves, I really like their longer renditions in the end credits. I think Vulture's theme and the music in his scenes (such as "Fly-By-Night Operation") do a good job capturing the "assembled" nature of the character--combinations of different weapons and machines from different previous villains--and I like the dark choral writing for Kaecilius. It might not be the most distinctive theme in that score, but Kaecilius also isn't the most distinctive villain, so I can forgive Giacchino for that... But overall, I like that Giacchino's themes reflect the nature of their characters, even if that doesn't lend itself to the most heroic music ever written.

 

So anyway, to summarize: A Giacchino fan is happy with Giacchino. :)

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I like the themes for Vulture and Spider. However Stark remains poorly represented. The theme is still very limited, but who knows, if Marvel allows it, he may have more "pompous" renditions in the future.

 

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9 hours ago, Max said:

I'm not 100% sure what part of Elfman's main titles is his main theme, even after several listens

 

The main Spiderman theme is from 1:47 to 2:33.

 

There is a kinda B theme which starts at 2:49 to 3:07.

 

It is one of the great superhero themes.

 

 

On 7/14/2017 at 3:17 PM, Jay said:

 

 

I'm sure its a theme that works fine in the film when he shows up, but its not terribly exciting on its own, nor would it ever lend itself to a concert arrangement, etc.

 

I think the way Gia writes themes, very few of his themes lend themselves to concert arrangements. His themes are usually very short without interludes or B sections, so would not make very interesting Williams like concert suites. He does rather few of them I think even though many of his themes are quite attractive.

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It's also the fact his themes are also very "circular" yet "static". They always end where they start - first statement leads to another statement in the same key. You can change the orchestration...or play them loud or soft...but it's mostly just window dressing. Each statement seems to be virtually the same. They almost never move to a different phrase/key and never change their contours much (if ever). Patrick Doyle, otherwise a very fine composer, has the same problem actually.

 

It's not like something, say, Rey's theme where Williams always changes not only key but themes' shape. And he also resolves it in various ways. True, it might make it less distinctive in the process but you get more satisfaction.

 

That is why enjoy Giacchino's work the most when it's textural and where his phrases are deliberately and appropriately simple.

 

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Just came back from the film and was disappointed with how low the music was mixed, the sound effects were bumped up much higher that they drowned out the music, so it wasn't until the end credits that the mix was raised. I noticed a few cues that are missing from the soundtrack release, cues which follow on from the same material in Monumental Meltdown. There's also a lovely piano rendition of the theme that's present in the end credits that's unfortunately excised from the album. 

 

Spider-Man's theme works well with this version of a younger, more clumsy Peter Parker/Spider-Man, it doesn't match Elfman's level of glorious heroism and majesty, but it's still memorable and effective.

 

It's just a shame about the mix, Monumental Meltdown was perhaps the only cue mixed loud enough to shine...

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2 hours ago, crocodile said:

That is why enjoy Giacchino's work the most when it's textural and where his phrases are deliberately and appropriately simple.

 

When I was watching the latest Apes I kept think how well his raw Lost thing devoid of adornments worked there, somehow

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Not sure if it was mentioned, but earlier it was discussed that there was no mention of the Avengers theme by Silvestri in the album booklet, but it's mentioned at the end of the credits under the 'songs' section. Also a little bonus I didn't even realise was there, was the band practice segment that was cut is appended to the end of the Homecoming Suite.

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I wonder if there's just a difference between screenings over here

I could hear the music fine

Though it wasnt an IMAX showing

I do remember the IMAX screening of Dr Strange having the music mixed unbearably low

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3 hours ago, Richard said:

At least you could hear the dialogue, which I couldn't do, when I saw INTERSTELLAR, in IMAX.

 

Thank your lucky stars. The dialogue in that movie would make your ears bleed.

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