rough cut 1,709 Posted August 20, 2016 Share Posted August 20, 2016 Film version is good, but it's too short and doesn't have the same climax as the concert arrangement. DarthDementous 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Brausam 213 Posted August 20, 2016 Share Posted August 20, 2016 We played the whole suite last night, but skipped the concert version and played the film version instead with the optional concert ending to the end credits. It would have been nice to try the concert version too, but it was still great. I didn't realize the end credits featured an extended version of Poe's theme in the suite - that was fun and unexpected! Loert 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ricsim88 243 Posted August 22, 2016 Share Posted August 22, 2016 Really awesome info. We're playing the suite in Oct and this is going to come handy to decide which Jedi steps to perform. Although it's a cool piece I think we'll go with the one that includes the finale as it's probably going to end the concert. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Brausam 213 Posted August 22, 2016 Share Posted August 22, 2016 At the end of the end credits I'd advise against using the concert ending, it's really abrupt and doesn't quite fit the winding down flow of the piece. The film ending, which is included as an option, is definitely superior. TownerFan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,274 Posted August 22, 2016 Share Posted August 22, 2016 I wonder if the concert ending was an alternate from early TFA sessions? The film version is definitely superior, more in line with the delicate nature of Rey's Theme (and his less bombastic end credits pieces from the first two prequels, with their clever intertwining of Anakin's Theme/Across The Stars with the Imperial March). In all 3 instances it's a charming little hint of what's to come in the next movie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ricsim88 243 Posted August 22, 2016 Share Posted August 22, 2016 8 hours ago, Joe Brausam said: At the end of the end credits I'd advise against using the concert ending, it's really abrupt and doesn't quite fit the winding down flow of the piece. The film ending, which is included as an option, is definitely superior. Definitely my preference too. Should be a fun concert, can't wait to play the suite. I'm not sure of the rest of the program yet, but I know Elfman's Suite from Batman is on there. Plus some Star Trek stuff. Should be a busy concert for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post TownerFan 4,983 Posted August 22, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted August 22, 2016 I think the Jedi Steps concert version is a very beautiful demonstration of Williams extending a thematic idea which the film didn't allow to develop further. I love the lament-like quality in the extension, esp. the treatment of strings. It definitely harkens back to something like The Fury, but it's also very much in line with Williams' lament adagios featured in Episode III (Anakin's Betrayal and Immolation Scene), so it feels very much a continuation of that musical vocabulary. Jay, DarthDementous and michael_grig 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,274 Posted August 22, 2016 Share Posted August 22, 2016 Does anyone else hear the almost sinister, apocalyptic vibe of Dracula in this arrangement? Amer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karelm 2,888 Posted August 22, 2016 Share Posted August 22, 2016 5 hours ago, crumbs said: Does anyone else hear the almost sinister, apocalyptic vibe of Dracula in this arrangement? Yes, that and the original binary sunset without the ornamental winds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amer 2,071 Posted August 24, 2016 Share Posted August 24, 2016 On 22/08/2016 at 9:41 PM, crumbs said: Does anyone else hear the almost sinister, apocalyptic vibe of Dracula in this arrangement? I actually found the harmonic development much in line with his classic EMPIRE score from the series. Kind of a throwback to the dark material. Anyway's very cool. I don't know if this was specifically written for the CONCERT suite alone or if it had been actually written and recorded for the film scene and then re-edited and cut but nonetheless landed as a Concert piece.It would be cool to have it as a bonus in future expanded set (I hope) DarthDementous 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,274 Posted August 24, 2016 Share Posted August 24, 2016 2 hours ago, azahid said: I actually found the harmonic development much in line with his classic EMPIRE score from the series. Kind of a throwback to the dark material. Anyway's very cool. I don't know if this was specifically written for the CONCERT suite alone or if it had been actually written and recorded for the film scene and then re-edited and cut but nonetheless landed as a Concert piece.It would be cool to have it as a bonus in future expanded set (I hope) Maybe it'll be the first cue of Episode VIII! Amer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,042 Posted August 24, 2016 Author Share Posted August 24, 2016 5 hours ago, azahid said: I actually found the harmonic development much in line with his classic EMPIRE score from the series. Kind of a throwback to the dark material. Anyway's very cool. I don't know if this was specifically written for the CONCERT suite alone or if it had been actually written and recorded for the film scene and then re-edited and cut but nonetheless landed as a Concert piece.It would be cool to have it as a bonus in future expanded set (I hope) It was specifically written for the Hal Leonard sheet music release. The film cue is not edited. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amer 2,071 Posted August 24, 2016 Share Posted August 24, 2016 46 minutes ago, Jay said: It was specifically written for the Hal Leonard sheet music release. The film cue is not edited. Does the Hal Leonard sheet specify that in the notes? I'am only assuming that a longer edit probably had more music before it was toned down. Ah well, I was hoping that would be the case as it would make a great alternate in a future expanded set. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,042 Posted August 24, 2016 Author Share Posted August 24, 2016 Your assumption is wrong. He wrote the concert version after the recording sessions were completed. The film / album version of the cue contains no edits to what was recorded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted August 24, 2016 Share Posted August 24, 2016 Williams has often written expansions for concert performance for Star Wars. This is nothing new anyway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,235 Posted August 24, 2016 Share Posted August 24, 2016 7 hours ago, Jay said: Your assumption is wrong. He wrote the concert version after the recording sessions were completed. The film / album version of the cue contains no edits to what was recorded. Was it actually confirmed that he wrote it after, or are we just assuming that? Amer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,042 Posted August 24, 2016 Author Share Posted August 24, 2016 1 hour ago, Stefancos said: Williams has often written expansions for concert performance for Star Wars. This is nothing new anyway Indeed. 39 minutes ago, mrbellamy said: Was it actually confirmed that he wrote it after, or are we just assuming that? There was a report that he decided to extend this piece for the official Hal Leonard collection, which he was working on after his duties for recording the music for the film were complete. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,235 Posted August 24, 2016 Share Posted August 24, 2016 Gotcha, thanks. Hadn't heard that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SzPeti42 49 Posted August 24, 2016 Share Posted August 24, 2016 On 2016. 08. 15. at 7:08 PM, crumbs said: I wouldn't be surprised if a reworked version of the theme was the film's opening cue, considering VIII starts where VII ended. It's a logical musical callback which immediately sets the scene for the adventure ahead, and Williams would undoubtedly put a clever spin on the cue if Luke has become a broken man. Something like the opening of The Two Towers. Music we know, a scene we know, then it transitions in an unexpected direction. This I can get behind! That’s how I imagine it too, and I think the theme in general can be used as a new Jedi-specific theme, it has that mysterious, larger-than-life quality for me, but my secret wish is that Luke didn’t become an irreversibly bittered old hermit and we’ll hear glimpses of his innocent theme clearly representing him for some nice moments, not just for random nostalgic/hopeful Star Wars-y scenes like in EPVII crumbs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0Kelvin 2 Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 I don't want to be dishonest... I'll give this a 7/10. I thought The Jedi Steps were just the extension of Rey's Theme or The Force Theme... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pieter Boelen 740 Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 While it is quite a good concert suite, I don't think it is one of Williams' best and to me feels like it is lacking something. To be exact, it is lacking the build-up to the subsequently brilliant end credits! But still, I'm glad to have this in addition to the film version. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,457 Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 I don't get the purpose of this arrangement. I fell asleep before the end of the video. It's like the Throne Room And Finale... no one ever got the idea to separate the "Throne Room" theme from the "Finale"! I mean, this piece is meaned to be the intro to the End Credits Suite, you simply can't separate them! JW wrote that arrangement? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pieter Boelen 740 Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 3 minutes ago, Bespin said: JW wrote that arrangement? I'm pretty sure he indeed did.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,457 Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 1 minute ago, Pieter_Boelen said: I'm pretty sure he indeed did.... Well, like the other once said... Who's the more foolish; the fool who wrote the arrangement, or the fool who played it in concert? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pieter Boelen 740 Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 Actually, there IS a Throne Room concert arrangement too. But indeed that one contains the Finale as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,457 Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 24 minutes ago, Pieter_Boelen said: Actually, there IS a Throne Room concert arrangement too. But indeed that one contains the Finale as well. Yes I know and I always hated the repetition of the "bridal" opening, it doesn't make any sense to me. I never get used to it and I never will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,278 Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 The "bridal" opening is repeated because it is part of the theme, it was used as the ending for the End Credits for SW 77 too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,457 Posted October 29, 2016 Share Posted October 29, 2016 14 hours ago, Fennel Ka said: The "bridal" opening is repeated because it is part of the theme, it was used as the ending for the End Credits for SW 77 too. False, the trumpet opening "taaaa-da-da-da" is only heard at the beginning on the OST, it don't get repeated twice. It doesn't have to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ricsim88 243 Posted October 29, 2016 Share Posted October 29, 2016 Playing the suite tonight. We're not doing the concert arrangement of Jedi steps, we're playing the end credits version. I have to say it feels a bit weird to repeat Rey's theme and March of the Resistance so close after playing their respective movements. Of well, pretty fun to play as a lead trumpet player. Ensign Kim (Garrett Wang) is the host. Obviously we're playing a Star Trek medley Pieter Boelen 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted October 29, 2016 Share Posted October 29, 2016 Cool! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,930 Posted October 29, 2016 Share Posted October 29, 2016 Cool indeed. I wonder whether LSO will play something from TFA next month... Star Wars: Highlights sounds big vague. Would be nice to hear at least Jedi Steps and Finale. Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,278 Posted October 29, 2016 Share Posted October 29, 2016 7 hours ago, Bespin said: False, the trumpet opening "taaaa-da-da-da" is only heard at the beginning on the OST, it don't get repeated twice. It doesn't have to. Nope its played three times! Including at the very end! 0:00 0:48 5:11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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