Popular Post MovieMusicMaestro 33 Posted August 10, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted August 10, 2016 Revised version of Cello Concerto (2012): Revised version of Violin Concerto (2016): karelm, _deleted_, Incanus and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcus 390 Posted August 10, 2016 Share Posted August 10, 2016 Great! Thank you so much for this! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,480 Posted August 10, 2016 Share Posted August 10, 2016 Another revision of the Violin Concerto? Well, one day this piece will be good! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,233 Posted August 10, 2016 Share Posted August 10, 2016 Treesong is better! Jilal 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkissimo 1,973 Posted August 10, 2016 Share Posted August 10, 2016 Will we ever hear Johnny's revised symphony? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Dixon Hill 4,233 Posted August 10, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted August 10, 2016 I have a guy in place who can sneakily view the score by candlelight every few weeks, and he hums the parts into a tape recorder which I then transcribe. So, soon. Gnome in Plaid, Will, The Psycho Pianist and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,508 Posted August 10, 2016 Share Posted August 10, 2016 32 minutes ago, TheWhiteRider said: Treesong is better! He's right. "Treesong" is...oops. The Archers. Gotta go! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,480 Posted August 10, 2016 Share Posted August 10, 2016 Here's the link for the complete March 19, 2016 concert:http://www.wgbh.org/programs/The-Boston-Symphony-Orchestra-in-Concert-1641?episode=63886 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,508 Posted August 10, 2016 Share Posted August 10, 2016 Right. Where was I? Where was I? Ah, yes; raisins! No!!! "Treesong" is a bad mutha fucka...but "Heartwood" is better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,233 Posted August 10, 2016 Share Posted August 10, 2016 That's his best concert work, rivaled only by one or two scores. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,478 Posted August 10, 2016 Share Posted August 10, 2016 His best concert work is "Five Sacred Trees". That's a fact. ChrisAfonso 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,233 Posted August 10, 2016 Share Posted August 10, 2016 It offers a lot more than the rest... for the dilettante listener. That is a fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karelm 2,903 Posted August 10, 2016 Share Posted August 10, 2016 On August 10, 2016 at 5:48 AM, MovieMusicMaestro said: Revised version of Cello Concerto (2012): Revised version of Violin Concerto (2016): These were excellent! Very fine performances. Thanks for posting it. One thing I just thought was interesting, there is a moment in Prokofiev's Symphony No. 4 first movement where you have these intensely dissonant chords over a pedal of C (4 horns in octaves) as the orchestra pounds away any chord that does not fit. Like C# minor, D#7, well listen for yourself here (really starting at 8:39): and in JW violin concerto, the pedal is B on the strings but similar effect and very exciting stuff (29:52). He does this sort of thing to maximize tension before a suddenly unexpected transition in a different direction. In the case of Prokofiev, it suddenly jumps to hyperactive manic mode after the searing drama. For Williams, it's to go from drama to sudden serenity but a great example of this dramatic technique and I see this as a glimpse into how JW's love and study of Prokofiev is made his own. _deleted_ and Marcus 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete 906 Posted November 1, 2016 Share Posted November 1, 2016 Violinist James Ehnes talks about Williams violin concerto: http://wrti.org/post/philadelphians-wrti-beethoven-s-7th-john-williams-ravels-pavane-nov-6-1-pm Incanus 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,713 Posted November 1, 2016 Share Posted November 1, 2016 1 hour ago, pete said: Violinist James Ehnes talks about Williams violin concerto: http://wrti.org/post/philadelphians-wrti-beethoven-s-7th-john-williams-ravels-pavane-nov-6-1-pm Thanks for the link. Always a pleasure to hear the musicians themselves talk about Williams' music and how their perceive it and approach it. While the critics might turn up their noses to JW's concert works, the performers themselves often admit that they are not only interesting and well written works but also extremely challenging as well and thus very rewarding for them to play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WilliamsStarShip2282 308 Posted November 1, 2016 Share Posted November 1, 2016 I can't tell if the violin concerto is a revision or it's just played poorly on the orchestras part..... I heard a snippet of the ending of the third movement back in march or whenever it was, which was horribly played, and over all the piece seems way too slow. However Gil played wonderfully as always. The orchestra just sounds poorly rehearsed, and the percussion is barely audible. What does everyone think of the cello concerto "revisions"? I he is more re-writing rather than revising. There are things that remain in the 4 different versions, but a lot completely re-done. I prefer the second one which he released with my by Sony. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,478 Posted November 1, 2016 Share Posted November 1, 2016 I've never really understood the need to have multiple versions of the same music myself, unless they're radical re-interpretations (like remixes or jazz versions and stuff). Doesn't matter if it's classical or film music. If I find ONE version of a piece I'm satisfied with, that's all I need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted November 1, 2016 Share Posted November 1, 2016 How about the artistic interpretation of different orchestras and conductors? Bespin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,478 Posted November 1, 2016 Share Posted November 1, 2016 42 minutes ago, Stefancos said: How about the artistic interpretation of different orchestras and conductors? It's perfectly legitimate; I'm just saying it's not something I'm personally in need of possessing. For example, I have a bunch of STAR WARS albums, but if I want to play something different, I'll put on the jazz or church organ versions. For the "proper" orchestral versions, I almost always go for the soundtracks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,342 Posted November 2, 2016 Share Posted November 2, 2016 I am assuming you are talking about re-recordings, not revisions then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,478 Posted November 2, 2016 Share Posted November 2, 2016 5 hours ago, Fennel Ka said: I am assuming you are talking about re-recordings, not revisions then? Mostly, yes. But sometimes revisions too, unless they're clearly very different like -- say -- "Song of World Peace" is in relation to the original "Satelite Celebration". Also, sometimes, I only need a decent re-recording, not the original soundtrack (e.g. I only need the Marco Polo re-recording of Steiner's KING KONG and have no interest in the scratchy original recording or any other version). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TownerFan 4,983 Posted November 2, 2016 Share Posted November 2, 2016 More than any other art, music lives on because there are people who constantly picks up the score and their instruments and starts to play. Otherwise it's only dots and signs on a piece of paper. Also, it's the artist's right to go back and revisit his own work for whichever reason. It's our right to like or dislike whatever revision he/she might do, but it's still part of what music-making is. _deleted_ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WilliamsStarShip2282 308 Posted November 2, 2016 Share Posted November 2, 2016 Does no one else think this recording of the violin concerto is awful? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,478 Posted November 2, 2016 Share Posted November 2, 2016 1 hour ago, TownerFan said: More than any other art, music lives on because there are people who constantly picks up the score and their instruments and starts to play. Otherwise it's only dots and signs on a piece of paper. Also, it's the artist's right to go back and revisit his own work for whichever reason. It's our right to like or dislike whatever revision he/she might do, but it's still part of what music-making is. Oh, I agree. It's a living, breathing thing and I think it's great that new orchestras and soloists can bring their own voice to the dots on the paper. It's not the idea I'm puzzled by, but by the need to own and listen to multiple versions that are only SLIGHTLY different. If you have multiple versions of a piece, do you constantly rotate between them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miguel Andrade 1,262 Posted November 2, 2016 Share Posted November 2, 2016 2 hours ago, Thor said: Oh, I agree. It's a living, breathing thing and I think it's great that new orchestras and soloists can bring their own voice to the dots on the paper. It's not the idea I'm puzzled by, but by the need to own and listen to multiple versions that are only SLIGHTLY different. If you have multiple versions of a piece, do you constantly rotate between them? Yes, I do! WilliamsStarShip2282 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,478 Posted November 2, 2016 Share Posted November 2, 2016 Well, that's awesome. I have two versions of the violin concerto in my collection -- the ol' Mark Peskanov one and the Gil Shaham one. I tend to go for the Peskanov one, but if I play the Shaham CD, I'll just let it play through his version as well. I'm more than set, though. I would have lived perfectly happy with just one of them. For the cello concerto, I have the Yo-Yo Ma, which is all I ever need. For me, it's more about owning the piece than its many variations (providing that the piece is well-performed, of course). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TownerFan 4,983 Posted November 2, 2016 Share Posted November 2, 2016 In terms of recording, it's perfectly normal to prefer one over another. But personally I don't think there's something as the "definitive" interpretation of a piece, especially if we talk about classical repertoire. Case in point: Williams' Violin Concerto. Even though Williams' writing is very specific and there's no room for too many liberties, every soloist who plays it will bring something personal and maybe even new to the piece, as much as it happens with Brahms' Violin Concerto or C'ajkovskij's. So I too like to listen to different interpretations. The more, the better. The film pieces are somehow a different beast because the original film recording is usually used as the benchmark (in case of JW also because he's the conductor of his own music), but the film recording is usually also slave to sync issues and specific needs in order to work well in cohesion with the other sound elements, so the musical thought is somehow secondary, to a certain extent. But a piece like The Imperial March or Adventures of Earth can be performed and expressed in very different ways by orchestras and conductors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,233 Posted November 2, 2016 Share Posted November 2, 2016 I don't share Thor's characteristic "mystified at the behavior of other humans" attitude, but I do think one can uncover what, for them, is the "definitive" interpretation of a piece. I have quite a few, and while others are interesting, there's a reason why one works for me more than others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TownerFan 4,983 Posted November 2, 2016 Share Posted November 2, 2016 13 minutes ago, Prerecorded Briefing said: I don't share Thor's characteristic "mystified at the behavior of other humans" attitude, but I do think one can uncover what, for them, is the "definitive" interpretation of a piece. I have quite a few, and while others are interesting, there's a reason why one works for me more than others. Absolutely, I agree. For example, once I discovered Esa-Pekka Salonen's version of Stravinsky's Rite of Spring (the one with the LA Phil on DG), that's the version I'm usually returning to when I want my dose of Le sacre--the visceral power of Salonen's reading combined with the spectacular audio sonics of the recording makes it the non-plus ultra for me. That being said, I cannot avoid myself the pleasure of listening to the recordings conducted by Boulez, Bernstein, Ozawa or Ansermet as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remco 685 Posted September 2, 2017 Share Posted September 2, 2017 I'm not so sure if this has been posted before, but here's a recent performance of the Cello concerto with Yo-Yo Ma, conducted by Joshua Weilerstein. Unfortunately I can't find the first and third movement, but I'd love it if these went online too since this seems to be the best performance of the most recent revision so far. Will and _deleted_ 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will 2,215 Posted September 3, 2017 Share Posted September 3, 2017 Wow! Thanks so much for sharing. Too bad the first movement (my favorite) isn't available. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miguel Andrade 1,262 Posted September 3, 2017 Share Posted September 3, 2017 This was posted on youtube a while ago. They posted excerpts of the concert celebrating JFK's Centennial, and sadly just those two movements of the Cello Concerto. Still is awesome that for such an event, they choose to program a lesser know piece. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artguy360 1,843 Posted September 3, 2017 Share Posted September 3, 2017 Great performance! I'd forgotten how much interplay between pizzicato and dissonant strings there is in this JW piece. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightscape94 965 Posted September 7, 2017 Share Posted September 7, 2017 On 11/2/2016 at 5:58 AM, WilliamsStarShip2282 said: Does no one else think this recording of the violin concerto is awful? Lacks some energy. When I heard Denève conduct it with Ehnes it was much better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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