Luke Skywalker 1,795 Posted September 15, 2007 Share Posted September 15, 2007 As a trilogy maybe.But i think there are quite a lot better crafted score out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elmo Lewis 6 Posted September 15, 2007 Share Posted September 15, 2007 Mind you, I'm not referring to the actual content of the soundtracks, which I can't judge. Just the way Shore approached the job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted September 15, 2007 Share Posted September 15, 2007 Elmo has seen the light! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elmo Lewis 6 Posted September 15, 2007 Share Posted September 15, 2007 Why? I've only listened to the OST to The Fellowship of the Ring a couple of times, four years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,795 Posted September 15, 2007 Share Posted September 15, 2007 how can that make that statement then?I would even say, that Williams put as much effort, care and love in Geisha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elmo Lewis 6 Posted September 15, 2007 Share Posted September 15, 2007 how can that make that statement then?Because I wasn't talking about the actual music itself, but about the work behind it (both writing and releasing it).I would even say, that Williams put as much effort, care and love in Geisha.Yes, he sort of did. What's your point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,795 Posted September 15, 2007 Share Posted September 15, 2007 I would even say, that Williams put as much effort, care and love in Geisha.Yes, he sort of did. What's your point?Geisha is the superior work? You put LOTR as the supreme crafted work.I dont think it is... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elmo Lewis 6 Posted September 15, 2007 Share Posted September 15, 2007 I would even say, that Williams put as much effort, care and love in Geisha.Yes, he sort of did. What's your point?Geisha is the superior work? You put LOTR as the supreme crafted work.I dont think it is...Sorry, I wasn't aware I was starting a competition with my remark. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted September 15, 2007 Share Posted September 15, 2007 Geisha is not superior to the LOTR scores. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elmo Lewis 6 Posted September 15, 2007 Share Posted September 15, 2007 That is not the issue here, Stefan! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,795 Posted September 15, 2007 Share Posted September 15, 2007 I would even say, that Williams put as much effort, care and love in Geisha.Yes, he sort of did. What's your point?Geisha is the superior work? You put LOTR as the supreme crafted work.I dont think it is...Sorry, I wasn't aware I was starting a competition with my remark.I wasnt thinking williams when i wrote that there were better crafted and cared scores. But geisha was the 1st example that came to my mind when i had to explain myslef. It was not intended as Williams-shore competition (again...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacob 0 Posted September 15, 2007 Share Posted September 15, 2007 It's like Return of the Jedi without Leia's theme - a slight difference, but an important one.There is actually a small quote of Leia's Theme in Jedi - Obi-Wan's Revelation at 10:13 of that lengthy track.Or maybe I missed the point. Off topic anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry B 50 Posted September 15, 2007 Share Posted September 15, 2007 I meant if Leia's theme wasn't in Jedi.It's also in a couple Endor tracks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted September 16, 2007 Share Posted September 16, 2007 You put LOTR as the supreme crafted work.I dont think it is...Don't be blind, of course it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,191 Posted September 16, 2007 Share Posted September 16, 2007 It plays early in the film when, after having spend a night in a cave or some sort of shelter, Sam, Frodo and Andy Serkis set off again to Mordor. This piece restates the theme first played in Fellowship where Sam says that this is the farthest away from home he's ever been.Followed by a nice variation on the Rohan theme, as far as I recall. That snippet was the first hint that Shore was going to revisit many of his themes in entirely new variations for the final score. And of course, for the SE we then also get a lovely horn statement of the Minas Tirith theme.That is not the issue here, Stefan!The japanwoman is not the issue here! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Crichton 4 Posted September 16, 2007 Share Posted September 16, 2007 I meant if Leia's theme wasn't in Jedi.It's also in a couple Endor tracks.Yes, quite a bit actually. Very subtly sometimes, almost hidden. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red 75 Posted September 16, 2007 Share Posted September 16, 2007 You put LOTR as the supreme crafted work.I dont think it is...Don't be blind, of course it is.How can he be blind by stating a preference? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy4 155 Posted September 19, 2007 Share Posted September 19, 2007 This is very off topic, and incredibly stupid, but....at 2:05 of "The Hornburg" from TT, there is a line of notes played by a trumpet that sounds like Theme from Jurassic Park. I know that Shore wasn't copying nor trying to have a cameo music piece, it just happened to sound like that. Just pointing it out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted September 19, 2007 Share Posted September 19, 2007 How can he be blind by stating a preference?Well, whether a work is supremely crafted does not depend on personal preferences. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry B 50 Posted September 19, 2007 Share Posted September 19, 2007 Then what the hell do you mean by "supremely crafted"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted September 19, 2007 Share Posted September 19, 2007 Carefully planned and structured thematic complexities. There's nothing left to chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcus 390 Posted September 19, 2007 Share Posted September 19, 2007 Carefully planned and structured thematic complexities. There's nothing left to chance.There's also musical craft to be accounted for, the sheer writing itself.LotR scores fall quite flat on their faces next to anything penned by Williams in that respect, simply because Shore isn't a great composer, but merely a decent film composer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted September 19, 2007 Share Posted September 19, 2007 I'm so very thankful that LotR didn't turn out to be yet another John Williams clone. If every composer would write exactly like Williams, the world would be a duller place.And besides, Williams isn't the be all to end all either. Not nowadays anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,000 Posted September 19, 2007 Share Posted September 19, 2007 Geisha is not superior to the LOTR scores.That's debatable.I like some parts of LOTR scores, and I will probably purchase ROTK: CR (for some of its better material, missing from the OST), but the whole thing fails to pick my interest. An I still think 80 themes make it a bit stilted. But that's just my tastes, I guess.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,684 Posted September 19, 2007 Share Posted September 19, 2007 This is very off topic, and incredibly stupid, but....at 2:05 of "The Hornburg" from TT, there is a line of notes played by a trumpet that sounds like Theme from Jurassic Park. I know that Shore wasn't copying nor trying to have a cameo music piece, it just happened to sound like that. Just pointing it out. Not stupid at all. I noticed this fairly early on and it's a nice little (probably unintentional) thing to spot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red 75 Posted September 19, 2007 Share Posted September 19, 2007 Carefully planned and structured thematic complexities. There's nothing left to chance.Although I agree, that is hardly fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elmo Lewis 6 Posted September 19, 2007 Share Posted September 19, 2007 I'm so very thankful that LotR didn't turn out to be yet another John Williams clone. If every composer would write exactly like Williams, the world would be a duller place.And besides, Williams isn't the be all to end all either. Not nowadays anyway.That's... sensible. Not used to that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,684 Posted September 19, 2007 Share Posted September 19, 2007 Very unusual for this place certainly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Crichton 4 Posted September 20, 2007 Share Posted September 20, 2007 I'm so very thankful that LotR didn't turn out to be yet another John Williams clone. If every composer would write exactly like Williams, the world would be a duller place.And besides, Williams isn't the be all to end all either. Not nowadays anyway.That's... sensible. Not used to that.It is, and it's even partly right (ie the first two sentences, the last two are debatable). But it doesn't address the question of whether LotR is actually better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,684 Posted September 20, 2007 Share Posted September 20, 2007 Does it really matter? Opinions are opinions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy4 155 Posted September 20, 2007 Share Posted September 20, 2007 Yes, but debating opinions is what this MB is all about! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,684 Posted September 20, 2007 Share Posted September 20, 2007 No, attacking and crucifying others' opinions is what this MB is about Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted September 20, 2007 Share Posted September 20, 2007 Now there's a notion I can actually embrace! Although I agree, that is hardly fact.Well, when the composer can explain the thought process behind all "50 and then some" themes and motifs, then I would say "nothing was left to chance" is as close to a fact as you'll get.That's... sensible. Not used to that.You know what I meant! Of course John Williams isn't dull, but if all composers wrote in the same way, it has to be for the worse.And although some whine about LotR's supposed "lacking substance", as ridiculous as that is, you'd be hard pressed to find a work similar in tone and shape. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy4 155 Posted September 20, 2007 Share Posted September 20, 2007 No, attacking and crucifying others' opinions is what this MB is about True. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy4 155 Posted September 22, 2007 Share Posted September 22, 2007 Just ordered FotR CR on Amazon. I figured that if I'm gonna get ROTK CR, I should get the other two first, if not for the music, then for the booklet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted September 22, 2007 Share Posted September 22, 2007 The miziek is more important thean the booklit, how ever excelltnt it may be! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Breathmask 555 Posted September 22, 2007 Share Posted September 22, 2007 I'm starting to get tired of these "keyboard malfunctions" of yours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted September 22, 2007 Share Posted September 22, 2007 how interesting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy4 155 Posted September 22, 2007 Share Posted September 22, 2007 Anyone know if Howard Shore wrote the music for the ROTK trailer, and if so, will it be released in the CR? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted September 22, 2007 Share Posted September 22, 2007 Shore wrote music for at least one of the ROTK trailers. It probali will not be re;leased on the upcoming ROTK set, but the upcoming Doug Adams book avouit the music is supposed to have a rarities disc, so who knows Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,191 Posted September 23, 2007 Share Posted September 23, 2007 I'm starting to get tired of these "keyboard malfunctions" of yours.Sounds more like a John Cleese impersonation this time... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy4 155 Posted September 29, 2007 Share Posted September 29, 2007 FotR CR just arrived. What a monster of a box set! I look forward to discovering everything about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Brausam 214 Posted September 29, 2007 Share Posted September 29, 2007 Still waiting for Amazon to list ROTK, It's odd that they don't have a preorder up yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delorean90 42 Posted September 29, 2007 Share Posted September 29, 2007 FotR CR just arrived. What a monster of a box set! I look forward to discovering everything about it. You're in for a nice listen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy4 155 Posted September 29, 2007 Share Posted September 29, 2007 yes, so far it's amazing! so is the booklet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacob 0 Posted September 29, 2007 Share Posted September 29, 2007 I meant if Leia's theme wasn't in Jedi.It's also in a couple Endor tracks.Yes, quite a bit actually. Very subtly sometimes, almost hidden.I should have realized Mr. Buck would have known that. I even knew it but forgot until I listened to it again just recently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strilo 0 Posted October 1, 2007 Share Posted October 1, 2007 I am stoked for the ROTK CR. So much music that we don't already have, or that is whacked WAY out of order. I've been finding that I listen to my LOTR scores more in the fall and winter, so this will be perfectly timed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted October 1, 2007 Share Posted October 1, 2007 I'm still holding out.I'll start listening end of the month, I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strilo 0 Posted October 1, 2007 Share Posted October 1, 2007 Yeah I am still listening to the Harry Potter scores as I read the books through again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy4 155 Posted October 2, 2007 Share Posted October 2, 2007 The film version of Pelanor Fields and the several renditions of Nature's Reclamation theme will be GREAT!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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