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No problem. I never had a PSX. I hear extra music in the SE's that wasn't on the Anthology, and I instantly think of Dark Forces 2: Jedi Knight that had a significant amount of unreleased OT music WRT the Anthology.

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If someone wants to play a video game that faithfully acts out the book with flawless precision...just read the book and spare your electric bill.

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I would try harder to disagree with you, but my signature says I don't have to.

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What's the point of using a book as a source for a video game.

I never said anything about using the book......

I am talking about adapting movies into video games.

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Whatever, man!

Okay then.

BTW, have you figured out what the Star themes are in each LOTR film?

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Whatever, man!

Okay then.

BTW, have you figured out what the Star themes are in each LOTR film?

A what now?
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In all seriousness, there have been a decent number of LOTR video games that support the books, the movies, or a combination of both plus source material.

The Hobbit

The Fellowship of the Ring (this was based on the book, but the sequel game was cancelled ten years ago)

TLOTR: The Two Towers (based on the movie, so it's not a sequel to the above game)

TLOTR: ROTK (sequel to above game)

I'm tired of pasting links. The Third Age; The Battle for Middle-Earth, its sequel (II), and II's expansion, The Rise of the Witch-King. TLOTR: Online and its several expansion packs. Aragorn's Quest. War in the North. Tactics.

Why can't they just do what I said: drop the characters into a non-canonical apocryphal fighting game that simply uses the beloved characters and their powers in a potentially fun setting?

You find this insulting and demeaning to the franchise? I'm sure people thought the same thing when Star Wars characters were put into a fighting game.

Or used to promote Christmas...

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the star themes, the themes that get signifacant play in the end credits, like how JW has Leia's theme in SW, Darth Vader theme, Yoda's theme' and han solo and the princess in ESB.

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In truth the non-film tie-in games based on LotR have been for the most part pretty awful in comparison with the ones based on the films/novels. I remember playing a game called War of the Ring, a RTS, and Battle for Middle Earth just wiped the floor with it in all departments even with all its faults.

I just found the Middle Earth Third Age quite monotonous experience even though it was not so heavily burdened by the LotR's story as such and had original main characters.

the star themes, the themes that get signifacant play in the end credits, like how JW has Leia's theme in SW, Darth Vader theme, Yoda's theme' and han solo and the princess in ESB.

For FotR those themes are in my mind The Fellowship Theme and the Shire theme(s), for TTT the Rohan Theme and for RotK the Gondor Theme although they do not all feature heavily in the end credits as such.
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Yes, I get that the point is to propose something fun to the player with the characters he loved from the films/books. But with LOTR, to me, it feels like it's too much, going from this revered piece of literature to Gandalf doing some taekwondo moves and whatnot. Like if you used Pride & Prejudice characters in a shoot'em up. But if gamers get a kick out of it, who am I to judge, huh?

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After my recent watching of Fellowship, it just struck me how much of an ass Gandalf seems to be in the films when you pay close attention.

He seems to have endless remorse for sending Frodo to his apparent death, hence the line "I've sent him to his death" in RotK. However, he seems to have no such nice feelings towards Sam, even though he - as opposed to Frodo, who inherited the ring from Bilbo and chose the task to destroy it willingly - was sent on this dangerous journey by Gandalf himself, using intimidation, purely for eavesdropping.

It's like "You were eavesdropping? How dare you! I'll send you out with your wimpy Hobbit friend who carries a ring all evil in Middle-Earth is looking for and willing to kill for it."

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It's the same in the book. Gandalf is a mover and shaker of great events. And in some ways very manipulative and demanding.

TTT actually acknowledged that in the scene were Theoden refuses to heed to Gandalfs advice.

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After my recent watching of Fellowship, it just struck me how much of an ass Gandalf seems to be in the films when you pay close attention.

He seems to have endless remorse for sending Frodo to his apparent death, hence the line "I've sent him to his death" in RotK. However, he seems to have no such nice feelings towards Sam, even though he - as opposed to Frodo, who inherited the ring from Bilbo and chose the task to destroy it willingly - was sent on this dangerous journey by Gandalf himself, using intimidation, purely for eavesdropping.

It's like "You were eavesdropping? How dare you! I'll send you out with your wimpy Hobbit friend who carries a ring all evil in Middle-Earth is looking for and willing to kill for it."

One could argue that sending Frodo alone would have been worse. Sam was someone Frodo trusted.

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I wonder if we the audience are somehow supposed to infer that a hobbit was the best race to carry the Ring on its perilous quest.

We know this Ring is supposed to be the most evil artifact in all the world. Bilbo kept it for decades and it just made him very, very old and a little bit greedy, but nothing too bizarre. Hobbits must have good resistance to bad magic.

Isildur, a noble king of Men, took it, got very greedy, and wouldn't do the right thing. We see part of this in the prologue and Elrond hits it home at his council meeting. Plus the Nine kings who received Sauron's Rings also fell, so entrusting this to Men wouldn't be a good choice.

And Gandalf, a wizard who we've seen do wonderful things, refuses Frodo's offer as if it were a hot potato. So Wizards are no good.

The movie never explicitly says why dwarves or elves couldn't handle the Ring. I don't recall the movie pointing out that once the three elves with rings of power detected Sauron's influence, they took them off to avoid corruption. That might explain why they don't want to tangle with Sauron's One Ring. And a dwarf thought he could bash the Ring out of existence, but they don't entertain the idea of taking it themselves. Perhaps their love of shiny objects would make it a bad idea.

So when one hobbit, the heir of the Ring's "finder," volunteers to go, nobody stops him and "mans" up and says they'll take it instead. They just offered to escort him.

Sure, Gandalf sent Frodo "to his death." But it would've been a quicker death to put the Ring on and go himself. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

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That's a very watered down explanation, meant to go easy on stupid audience members.

Because Sauron's in the background crying shenanigans: "meant to?" That's like saying, "I am going to make this object because I am meant to lose it in the end and be ruined."

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That's a very watered down explanation, meant to go easy on stupid audience members.

No, some things are meant to be.

Fate is a important part of Tolkiens writing. People fulfilling a destiny. Rising to the challenge, accepting the inevitable.....

In the book Aragorn arrives in Gondor to save Minas Tirith at their moment of most bitter need. He arrives in one of the Corsairs of the land of Umbar.

Umbar in Elvish means Fate....

The book is steeped in symbolism like that, and a movie simply cannot deal with all the details.

So 'meant to be' works.

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I can see it now. All the people who are already forced to buy an extra ticket on airplanes will sue the park when they and their children can't fit into Bag End. Or try anyways and they get stuck.

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