Naïve Old Fart 9,493 Posted August 16, 2016 Share Posted August 16, 2016 4 hours ago, Incanus said: Do share this find with us and tell us what this quote is. Share your qoute, and gain strength from the sharing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,713 Posted August 16, 2016 Share Posted August 16, 2016 13 minutes ago, Richard said: Share your qoute, and gain strength from the sharing! Raiders of the Lost Ark is better than everything! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,493 Posted August 16, 2016 Share Posted August 16, 2016 ...except CE3K Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,463 Posted August 16, 2016 Share Posted August 16, 2016 Quote Oh my God, that is so obvious! When Williams sat down to write theme for Indiana Jones, he pulled out his favourite film from the archives -- CALAMITY JANE -- then deconstructed the theme and decided to put a fragment of it into his theme! In all seriousness, I can't hear anything in that tune that resembles anything in the Indy theme. A time code comparison would help me to understand what you mean. crumbs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loert 2,510 Posted August 16, 2016 Share Posted August 16, 2016 6 minutes ago, Thor said: In all seriousness, I can't hear anything in that tune that resembles anything in the Indy theme. A time code comparison would help me to understand what you mean. Listen to the "Whip crackaway" from 1:20. Now listen to 0:48 from the Indy theme. The rhythm is identical. I would say that, if anything, it's an in-joke. It could be subconscious referral, although that is quite a specific rhythm. It could even just be coincidence, lol. 3 hours ago, Jilal said: I don't quite know why and I'm very sorry if this is offensive to some here, but I really can't bear any form of musical theatre. It all just feels like a third-rate comedy taking itself way too seriously. Too seriously? I get the opposite impression from most musicals I've been to! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted August 16, 2016 Share Posted August 16, 2016 Impressive though that a complete nonsense thread got 55 posts....so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,643 Posted August 16, 2016 Share Posted August 16, 2016 Even more impressive that nobody has properly recognized my feat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,493 Posted August 16, 2016 Share Posted August 16, 2016 Well, then, show us a picture of your feet, so we'll recognize them. mstrox 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted August 16, 2016 Share Posted August 16, 2016 56 minutes ago, Stefancos said: Impressive though that a complete nonsense thread got 55 posts....so far. Well, some of your threads have had much more posts than that, so what else is new? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i the t 3 Posted August 16, 2016 Author Share Posted August 16, 2016 1 hour ago, loert said: Listen to the "Whip crackaway" from 1:20. Now listen to 0:48 from the Indy theme. The rhythm is identical. Also the melody is virtually identical. It has the same interval of a major 6th. This is later developed as a melodic sequence in the JW version (shifted down). It could indeed be a coincidence but I think there's certainly enough meat on the bone to warrant postulation about it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,463 Posted August 16, 2016 Share Posted August 16, 2016 5 minutes ago, i the t said: Also the melody is virtually identical. It has the same interval of a major 6th. This is later developed as a melodic sequence in the JW version (shifted down). It could indeed be a coincidence but I think there's certainly enough meat on the bone to warrant postulation about it... Could be a coincidence? Christ almighty.... Once and crumbs 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post karelm 2,903 Posted August 16, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted August 16, 2016 Is this the official ComposerTY's birthday thread? Happy birthday to him and all he accomplished in the past 29 years. He deserves our praise. Jay, Muad'Dib, crumbs and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i the t 3 Posted August 16, 2016 Author Share Posted August 16, 2016 3 minutes ago, Thor said: Could be a coincidence? Christ almighty.... Christ's probably not gonna help you with this one I'm afraid... The whip reference, the identical rhythm and virtually identical melody offer evidence it is a quote (be it conscious or subconscious). You on the other hand, appear to offer little more than petulant, unsubstantiated denial... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,281 Posted August 16, 2016 Share Posted August 16, 2016 7 minutes ago, karelm said: Is this the official ComposerTY's birthday thread? Happy birthday to him and all he accomplished in the past 29 years. He deserves our praise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jilal 569 Posted August 16, 2016 Share Posted August 16, 2016 @Thor in humorous mode is refreshing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post BloodBoal 7,538 Posted August 16, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted August 16, 2016 Dixon Hill, Not Mr. Big, Thor and 4 others 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkissimo 1,973 Posted August 16, 2016 Share Posted August 16, 2016 1 hour ago, i the t said: Also the melody is virtually identical. It has the same interval of a major 6th. There's no major 6th here... In the Calamity Jane song the 1 & a 2 rhythmic cell is a single note, C, whereas in Raiders it's a descending fifth, a descending semitone and a ascending semitone, encompassing the span of a minor 6th. Loert 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete 903 Posted August 16, 2016 Share Posted August 16, 2016 I can't get that Whip Crack Away song out of my head! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,463 Posted August 16, 2016 Share Posted August 16, 2016 I prefer Williams' own take on the old western musical genre, like the infectious opening song "Golden West" from WAGON TRAIN here (be sure also to catch the vocal version of "Tomorrow" at 27:30): Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted August 16, 2016 Share Posted August 16, 2016 54 minutes ago, Sharkus Malarkus said: There's no major 6th here... In the Calamity Jane song the 1 & a 2 rhythmic cell is a single note, C, whereas in Raiders it's a descending fifth, a descending semitone and a ascending semitone, encompassing the span of a minor 6th. Go on! Get him my son! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted August 16, 2016 Share Posted August 16, 2016 Take my advice and ban this clown before he spoils more Star Wars sequels for the uninitiated and forgetful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted August 16, 2016 Share Posted August 16, 2016 8 hours ago, Lonnegan said: I bet it's that's Bronie Star Wars spoiling prick under a new account. He used to make exactly the same sort of irritating cunt posts. Bronies, I hate these guys! Muad'Dib 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon McBride 113 Posted August 17, 2016 Share Posted August 17, 2016 The only thing similar is the rhythm. It seems like a total coincidence honestly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i the t 3 Posted August 17, 2016 Author Share Posted August 17, 2016 8 hours ago, Sharkus Malarkus said: There's no major 6th here... In the Calamity Jane song the 1 & a 2 rhythmic cell is a single note, C, whereas in Raiders it's a descending fifth, a descending semitone and a ascending semitone, encompassing the span of a minor 6th. You're absolutely right, should've listened to the clip rather than try and recall from memory... Anyrode, I'll get my coat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,037 Posted August 17, 2016 Share Posted August 17, 2016 10 hours ago, BloodBoal said: Hopefully, Williams will share that whip crackaway anecdote in an interview instead of rehashing the same old Schindler's List story... "After Steven showed me the first cut of Raiders, I told him: "You need the Calamity Jane composer for this film." He responded "I know. But he's dead!"" I hear that for the first time in this franchise, Williams is going to write a whip theme for Indy 5! Jay 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,463 Posted August 17, 2016 Share Posted August 17, 2016 2 hours ago, i the t said: You're absolutely right, should've listened to the clip rather than try and recall from memory... Anyrode, I'll get my coat. First of all, you shouldn't take it so personally (those who have namecalled you can easily be ignored). I certainly didn't intend to shatter your dreams or kill your enthusiasm. You come into this board with an observation that you've made and you want some recognition for that. That is fine. But I've seen this kind of thing SO many times on film music forums over the years. Someone hears a piece of music and it reminds them of another piece of music -- even if there is no connection between the two other than the connection you make in your mind. For example, a few years ago I heard a striking similarity between a musical figure in Silvestri's "Seeing is Believing" from POLAR EXPRESS that instantly reminded me of a musical figure from Roger Hodgson's "Lovers in the Wind" from his solo album IN THE EYE OF THE STORM. It was a fun observation for me, but in no way did I presume that Silvestri had listened to or even heard about the Hodgson song. That would just be ludicrous. It annoys me that I don't remember the term for this psychological mechanism (it's not 'synesthesia', but something similar), but it's very common. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted August 17, 2016 Share Posted August 17, 2016 12 hours ago, Thor said: Could be a coincidence? Christ almighty.... Goes really well with your avatar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nemesis 244 Posted August 17, 2016 Share Posted August 17, 2016 Well, if at least we would talk about "Frosty the Snowman" but this.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,643 Posted August 17, 2016 Share Posted August 17, 2016 Whenever my spouse tries to hum the Raiders March, it always turns into this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Happy_Wanderer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted August 17, 2016 Share Posted August 17, 2016 Whenever my spouse tries to hum Whip Crackaway, it always turns into this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raiders_of_the_Lost_Ark_(soundtrack) chinaismine 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loert 2,510 Posted August 17, 2016 Share Posted August 17, 2016 I don't know what to believe in any more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted August 17, 2016 Share Posted August 17, 2016 Believe in the whip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rough cut 1,714 Posted August 17, 2016 Share Posted August 17, 2016 7 hours ago, Datameister said: I hear that for the first time in this franchise, Williams is going to write a whip theme for Indy 5! Scherzo for the whip! crumbs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted August 17, 2016 Share Posted August 17, 2016 Whirling Waltz With A Whispering Whip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted August 17, 2016 Share Posted August 17, 2016 Got a new answer for the "uncommon instruments you'd like to hear more in scores" thread! Not Mr. Big 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,037 Posted August 17, 2016 Share Posted August 17, 2016 1 hour ago, rough cut said: Scherzo for the whip! The Whip Scene More Whip Indie Gets the Whip Steven's Whip Collection Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted August 17, 2016 Share Posted August 17, 2016 John Williams becomes National Party Whip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will 2,215 Posted August 17, 2016 Share Posted August 17, 2016 38 minutes ago, BloodBoal said: John Williams becomes National Party Whip I just hope this doesn't take away too much time from scoring. 5 hours ago, BloodBoal said: Whenever my spouse tries to hum Whip Crackaway, it always turns into this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raiders_of_the_Lost_Ark_(soundtrack) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post crumbs 14,300 Posted August 18, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted August 18, 2016 Looks like Williams is still plagiarizing Doris Day! Listen to the opening notes of Finn's Theme: Once again, this has been shamelessly stolen from Doris Day's Calamity Jane. Listen to the two notes Doris Day's hammer makes as she bangs a nail into a chair: Decide for yourself. Jay, artguy360, Once and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artguy360 1,843 Posted August 18, 2016 Share Posted August 18, 2016 Shockingly similar. I'm highly suspicious of JW's "genius" now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muad'Dib 1,800 Posted August 18, 2016 Share Posted August 18, 2016 Oh my God I didn't know it was a lesbian movie! That's awesome! PS: I can't decide if I find the flute flourish whe she throws the hammer cute or annoying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkissimo 1,973 Posted August 18, 2016 Share Posted August 18, 2016 10 minutes ago, Muad'Dib said: Oh my God I didn't know it was a lesbian movie! That's awesome! It really is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Takis 206 Posted August 18, 2016 Share Posted August 18, 2016 17 hours ago, Thor said: It annoys me that I don't remember the term for this psychological mechanism (it's not 'synesthesia', but something similar), but it's very common. Synchronicity? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muad'Dib 1,800 Posted August 18, 2016 Share Posted August 18, 2016 2 hours ago, Sharkus Malarkus said: It really is. Very progressive for the 1950's. Once and crumbs 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,300 Posted August 18, 2016 Share Posted August 18, 2016 2 hours ago, Muad'Dib said: Oh my God I didn't know it was a lesbian movie! That's awesome! PS: I can't decide if I find the flute flourish whe she throws the hammer cute or annoying. Is this Williams' first clue that Rey might actually be a lesbian? The musical parallels are undeniable. The hammer itself is clearly a metaphor; note the anguish on Doris' face as she throws it on the floor in disgust. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkissimo 1,973 Posted August 18, 2016 Share Posted August 18, 2016 Remember the deleted scene when Doctor Kalonia (Harriet Walter) puts her hand on Rey's shoulder for just a second too long? crumbs and Not Mr. Big 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karelm 2,903 Posted August 18, 2016 Share Posted August 18, 2016 2 hours ago, Sharkus Malarkus said: Remember the deleted scene when Doctor Kalonia (Harriet Walter) puts her hand on Rey's shoulder for just a second too long? It would also explain why leia was so quick to forget chewy after Han died and rush to embrace Rey whom she never met. Remember what yoda said in Interstellar about love being a Force that transcends space like gravity. Both Rey and leia are strong with the Force. It all makes sense now. crumbs and Sharkissimo 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkissimo 1,973 Posted August 18, 2016 Share Posted August 18, 2016 It's not exactly Leia chained up in a gold bikini, but it'll do for now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted August 21, 2016 Share Posted August 21, 2016 Isn't Finn's theme just Frank's playful theme from Catch Me If You Can? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,493 Posted August 21, 2016 Share Posted August 21, 2016 On 18/08/2016 at 5:28 PM, Sharkus Malarkus said: It's not exactly Leia chained up in a gold bikini, but it'll do for now. I must be the only man in the world who ISN'T attracted to Leia in that gold bikini. What the hell's wrong me?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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