Will we ever get Hobbit Complete Recordings?

[bollemanneke 3,334]

It doesn't look like this subject has its own thread, so...

 

Do you think it's likely that we will ever have Complete Hobbit Recordings with the same audio quality and annotated scores? Also, what would AUJ look like? Film versions or dropped OST material?

 

When I last checked, Doug Adams said something about everyone needing time to breathe and relax (that was after the BOTFA premiere), but if he's going to write a Hobbit book, I can't see him doing that without CRS (due to incomplete OSTs). As I recall, Shore was also open to the idea.

 

Thoughts?

[BloodBoal 7,538]

No.

[Wojo 2,453]

What you have is good enough. 

[Jay 37,271]

32 minutes ago, bollemanneke said:

Will we ever get Hobbit Complete Recordings?

 

I hope so!

 

32 minutes ago, bollemanneke said:

Do you think it's likely that we will ever have Complete Hobbit Recordings with the same audio quality and annotated scores?

 

Same audio quality as what?

 

Annotated scores... no way.

 

32 minutes ago, bollemanneke said:

Also, what would AUJ look like? Film versions or dropped OST material?

 

I suppose the final revised version of every cue, except for the last minute LOTR retreads conducted by Robert Ziegler, those would be returned to the last version Shore oversaw.

 

32 minutes ago, bollemanneke said:

When I last checked, Doug Adams said something about everyone needing time to breathe and relax (that was after the BOTFA premiere), but if he's going to write a Hobbit book, I can't see him doing that without CRS (due to incomplete OSTs). As I recall, Shore was also open to the idea.

 

Thoughts?

 

Hopefully a pattern similar to LOTR will follow here, with expanded release of each of the three scores followed by a book that references the track names of the expanded releases so we can follow along, and include a Rarities disc of earlier versions replaced by rescores.

 

I really hope this is in the works, but we honestly have no idea (other than Doug pretty much confirming he was hired to write a book)

[mstrox 6,637]

Yes, they will cost $1400 apiece and they will come in fine oak boxes with rubber nubs.

[Barnald 365]

4 minutes ago, mstrox said:

Yes, they will cost $1400 apiece and they will come in fine oak boxes with rubber nubs.

 

Bargain!

 

My hopes were recently raised by this exchange (is this our very own Bilbo Skywalker, referring to us in such derogatory terms?):

 

https://twitter.com/Darth_Tacitus/status/739431753195130880

 

 

 

[bollemanneke 3,334]

Well if Doug is hired to write a book, I suppose that's something...

 

As for audio quality, I meant 5.1 high resolution recordings.

 

The OSTs don't suffice for me. AUJ is lacking way too much film material, DOS contains everything I need, and BOTFA is missing the funeral cue and Laketown stuff. Also, The Last Goodbye needs a 5.1 mix.

[Jay 37,271]

28 minutes ago, bollemanneke said:

The Last Goodbye needs a 5.1 mix.

 

 

The one in the film itself doesn't suffice?

[bollemanneke 3,334]

No, they didn't even use the rear channels. The centre channel I don't remember.

[gkgyver 1,645]

After Doug's comments about learning from the LotR CR and book process, that him and people involved learned to not talk much about it, I'm starting to assume that one fine day, CRs and the book will have a release date announced just like that. He teased the cover of the Hobbit book a long Time ago.

[Jay 37,271]

Yea, maybe for The Hobbit, they're release a 7-9 CD box set of all three scores together, instead of separate releases.  Who knows.

[Barnald 365]

When Doug said 'A LOT' of things are in the works, it has to be more than just his book (as wonderful as that will inevitably be of course).

[Jay 37,271]

Here's hoping that they were told to hold off on releasing / announcing anything until after the new Blu Ray set was announced, and now that it is, we'll get something soon.

[gkgyver 1,645]

Maybe the music recorded was already mixed for release in post production. I don't know if that happens at all with Film Scores, but if such a release was planned in advance, you can certainly do more in advance.

If a release like the Six Movie Collection was done for the scores, but of course with complete Hobbit scores instead of just a repackaging, I would buy that in a heartbeat.

 

2014 or early 2015, Doug said you shouldn't talk about Hobbit CRs for another 1.5-2 years. By the end of 2016, 2 years will have passed since then. A lot is in the works, we shouldn't expect much talk about it. 

I'm still extremely sceptical, but number one, I would think that Shore, despite his comments on AUJ being complete, knows how well Received the LotR releases were, and number two, I think this is also too big of an opportunity to pass, for Warner or whoever, to milk this again. I'm against needless commercialism, but if we get something great out of it, why not?

[bollemanneke 3,334]

Wait, did Shore claim AUJ was complete? In what universe is that a complete OST? Is it the Special Edition or the Standard Edition? Is the Eagle music an ultrahidden easter egg?

 

As for commercialism, I honestly don't understand how they are going to sell this new Blu Ray set. Would people seriously spend so much money on so little?

[mstrox 6,637]

3 minutes ago, bollemanneke said:

Wait, did Shore claim AUJ was complete? In what universe is that a complete OST? Is it the Special Edition or the Standard Edition? Is the Eagle music an ultrahidden easter egg?

 

https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/2osjqp/this_is_composer_howard_shore_lets_talk_about/cmq56st

[bollemanneke 3,334]

So is he in denial, or is he legally unable to say it isn't, or doesn't he know what is released?

[Jay 37,271]

I'm guessing he just doesn't think about these scores much and doesn't remember the details of what he put on his album programs.

 

Of course its clearly obvious to anyone who's seen the films that none of the Hobbit releases are anywhere near complete.

[bollemanneke 3,334]

That's a promsing attitude for future releases, though I can't blame him for not being overenthusiastic about the films.

[Bilbo 3,709]

3 hours ago, Barnald said:

 

Bargain!

 

My hopes were recently raised by this exchange (is this our very own Bilbo Skywalker, referring to us in such derogatory terms?):

 

https://twitter.com/Darth_Tacitus/status/739431753195130880

 

 

 

 

Only those who doubt the possibility of CRs!

[Barnald 365]

34 minutes ago, Bilbo Skywalker said:

 

Only those who doubt the possibility of CRs!

 

Well that's okay then!

[Bilbo 3,709]

4 minutes ago, Barnald said:

 

Well that's okay then!

Was very positive about us over something recently too. Can't remember what. 

[BloodBoal 7,538]

[Barnald 365]

30 minutes ago, BloodBoal said:

 

Well, fuck him!

 

Of course, people who believe CRs will be released have the higher ground, because if they are ultimately released, they can say "I told you so!" with a smug look and a feeling of superiority

 

I'd be too delighted to do those things. Besides, I always possess a feeling of superiority around these parts.

[Bilbo 3,709]

7 minutes ago, BloodBoal said:

 

Well, fuck him!

 

Of course, people who believe CRs will be released have the higher ground, because if they are ultimately released, they can say "I told you so!" with a smug look and a feeling of superiority, whereas people who don't believe CRs will be release will never get to do that, since there will always be a "What if?", the possibility that at some point in the future, maybe in 5, 10, 50 years, there could be a release. We will never hear a definitive "NO, YOU WILL NEVER, EVER GET A CR RELEASE!" statement by Doug or anyone else at Warner Music and co. So the possiblity of a release, no matter how small, will always remain.

The hate is swelling in you now. Take your Jedi weapon. Use it. I am unarmed. 

[bollemanneke 3,334]

Only a Sith deals in absolutes.

[Bilbo 3,709]

3 minutes ago, bollemanneke said:

Only a Sith deals in absolutes.

I'm at a Noel Gallagher gig tonight so I'll go so far as to say we'll Definitely Maybe get CRs!

 

How's that for avoiding Absolutes? 

[SafeUnderHill 205]

[Incanus 5,713]

Hopefully we'll get to see CRs sooner rather than later. I hate waiting.

[KK 3,307]

Doubt it. Though I can see some kind of Rarity Archives-style release  happening for the unreleased material.

[bollemanneke 3,334]

To those of you who say no, why exactly don't you think they will be released? After all, both trilogies got the same release formats (extended, commentaries, extras etc.) Adams is going to write a book as well, the BOTFA OST is very short compared to the other two, and it doesn't look like they will stop mikking this franchise soon for financial reasons. Just curious.

[crocodile 7,979]

I would like to have all of it (especially for film one and three; film two is well represented). But it's not a priority. And I doubt it'll be soon anyway.

 

And yeah, I can see a Rarities CD (or two) filling in those gaps quite nicely.

 

Karol

[Shoreboy 6]

45 minutes ago, bollemanneke said:

To those of you who say no, why exactly don't you think they will be released? After all, both trilogies got the same release formats (extended, commentaries, extras etc.) Adams is going to write a book as well, the BOTFA OST is very short compared to the other two, and it doesn't look like they will stop mikking this franchise soon for financial reasons. Just curious.

 

I still think we may see CRs, but the reasons for doubting are clear. Yes, the films got the same release formats, but the OSTs were on two discs, not one, greatly reducing the amount of extra material CRs would provide compared with the situation in LOTR (notwithstanding the mess that is the AUJ recordings). Plus, the Hobbit scores have been far less of a popular phenomenon than the LOTR scores. Both of these factors are bound to reduce the market for CRs in comparison with last time around. The format for the LOTR CRs was quite an expensive one to make it seems.

[bollemanneke 3,334]

That's true, but on the other hand, the LOTR CRS seem to have sold better than anyone expected. Also, there's such a radical difference between the AUJ OST and DVD. The film score really worked, but I can't be bothered to listen to the majority of OST cues. We also don't have 5.1 mixes, and I always thought they had a short BOTFA OST to make the CRS more tempting.

[Shoreboy 6]

Can't agree with you on AUJ film score. Chopped up all over the place, with needless insertions of LOTR music that doesn't even fit thematically, and a complete erasure of some great themes that can be heard on the OST. Although I do agree there are some film cues, notably Eagle Rescue, that sorely need releasing.

[Barnald 365]

I think there's quite a bit of interesting DoS music we're missing. Off the top of my head:

 

- The original composition for the flashback to Azanulbizar during the opening (Jay teased something more elaborate than what we got, and Jim suggested the original sequence may have been longer, and that the accompanying music was very likely recorded)

- Meeting Beorn

- The extended Mirkwood stuff

- The full barrel escape piece

- The extended Laketown material plus existing stuff not on the OST (nice renditions of Laketown and House of Durin in here)

- Complete/alternate High Fells (bits heard in the appendices)

- More Dol Guldur (including Gandalf's theme when entering, and the nice rendition of the DG theme Faleel unearthed from somewhere)

 

There's probably other bits and pieces I'm forgetting, and who knows what unused/alternate stuff there might be.

[gkgyver 1,645]

2 hours ago, bollemanneke said:

That's true, but on the other hand, the LOTR CRS seem to have sold better than anyone expected. Also, there's such a radical difference between the AUJ OST and DVD. The film score really worked, but I can't be bothered to listen to the majority of OST cues. We also don't have 5.1 mixes, and I always thought they had a short BOTFA OST to make the CRS more tempting.

 

You must be joking.

AUJ is a jumbled, incoherent mess of a score in the film.

[bollemanneke 3,334]

No, I was being deadly serious. Let me rephrase: I know that lots of thmatic material doesn't make sense. All I'm saying was, for me the score worked very effectively, regardless of Shore's original ideas. To put it another way: LOTR was full of 'wow factor' moments. AUJ was too, and then it went downhill for me.

[gkgyver 1,645]

The biggest Wow factors in AUJ for me were either "Wow, they cut that to shit" or "Wow, I can't believe they tracked that from ten years ago".

 

AUJ is full of unspeakably bad music editing decisions that show a frightening lack of musical sensibilities.

[Disco Stu 15,495]

5 hours ago, bollemanneke said:

To those of you who say no, why exactly don't you think they will be released? After all, both trilogies got the same release formats (extended, commentaries, extras etc.) Adams is going to write a book as well, the BOTFA OST is very short compared to the other two, and it doesn't look like they will stop mikking this franchise soon for financial reasons. Just curious.

 

I think there would've been a much great fan uprising if they hadn't gotten the special extended edition treatments.  Let's face it, the subset of fans who obsess over the scores is very small.

[BloodBoal 7,538]

The SE releases really turned out to be a poisoned chalice, didn't they?

[Jay 37,271]

Only if we never get CRs!

[BloodBoal 7,538]

Yeah.

[gkgyver 1,645]

20 minutes ago, BloodBoal said:

The SE releases really turned out to be a poisoned chalice, didn't they?

 

You mean it wouldn't have been worse to just have the Film edits, without knowing for years what Shore's original intentions were? Because it would have been.

[Jay 37,271]

Well, we'd still have 1 discs worth of his original intentions...

[gkgyver 1,645]

And that's better than two because ...?

It's not like the film edits are placed so well that we'd take them for original intentions.

With the surrounding edits and tracking, I probably would have assumed the Rivendell reveal was tracked if it hadn't been on the OST.

[BloodBoal 7,538]

11 minutes ago, Jay said:

Well, we'd still have 1 discs worth of his original intentions...

 

Plus we wouldn't even have known if the fillm versions differed from Shore's original intentions or not.

 

Plus it would have made the CR releases even more exciting as they would have offered more unreleased material ("2 more hours of unreleased music for AUJ, half of it you never got to hear in the film!" instead of "50 minutes of unreleased music. You've already heard most of it in the film").

[bollemanneke 3,334]

I would have been much happier with film edits. Ordinary people who buy the OST do it because they want to hear the used film music, not the alternates. Those should have come with the upcoming book.

[Jay 37,271]

Have you spent much time with the LOTR CR releases?  Because much of the "film edits" you say you want are probably just the re-recorded music from those scores, and not anything Shore came up with for the new films. The eagle rescue is obviously a film version that is a new Shore composition that is highly desired.

[bollemanneke 3,334]

I have, but don't know too many details as to what replaces what. The best example that comes to mind now is the AUJ film music that underscores Thorin's 'I love Bilbo' moment. That scene is underscored with the music that originally accompanies Pippin/Merry making Treebeard turn south, thus making him angry with Saruman. I don't know what Shore originally intended for that scene, but that Two Towers cue really works well.