Michael Giacchino's Rogue One: A Star Wars Story (2016) - 2022 Expanded Edition now available

[mstrox 6,647]

Y'all are a bunch of pedants.

 

That's the only "missing" cue I noticed from the film that wasn't on the OST.  It's real jaunty! Haven't listened to the FYC, but I assumed it would have been on there. 

[leeallen01 2,134]

Listening through the Score again and really underestimated 'Scrambling the Rebel Fleet.' A great piece. He does interesting stuff with all instrument groups. I really like what he does with Williams material too, like the Rebel Fanfare and especially what he puts behind it, with the woodwind and string accompaniment from 0:17 - 0:32.

 

And I love the brass flourishes behind Jyn's theme at 0:53 - 0:56. It really drives the theme.

 

And one of his best uses of Williams at 1:02 - 1:12 of the Force theme and the Main Title.

 

 

[Unlucky Bastard 7,782]

For a while I didn't think much of Mikey, but I keep returning to Jurassic World and Rogue One. He hit the mark with those.

[curlytoot 97]

 

I always thought this bit sounded familiar...

 

 

Check out the similarities in the string lines' rhythm and contour. Am I going crazy?!

[CGCJ 394]

Here's some official cue titles taken from an ACE Repertory listing (Includes unreleased music):

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A GAME OF DEJARIK

A REBEL CHANGE OF HEART

AN IMPERIAL TEST OF POWER

APOLOGIES ARE IN ORDER

APPROACH TO EADU

ARE WE BLIND?

AT-ACT ASSAULT

ENTERING THE IMPERIAL ARCHIVES

FINDING A WAY THROUGH

GET THAT BEACH UNDER CONTROL

GOOD LUCK LITTLE SISTER

HEARTS OF KYBER

HOPE

IMPERIAL DEPARTURE

JYNS INTERROGATION

JYNS MEMORIES OF CHILDHOOD

JYNS PATH IS CLEAR

KAFRENE TEMPLE MUSIC

KRENNICS ASPIRATIONS

LET THEM PASS IN PEACE PT 1

LET THEM PASS IN PEACE PT 2

MISSION TO JEDHA PT 1

MISSION TO JEDHA PT 2

NEWS FROM THE ASHES

NO FRIENDS OF THE EMPIRE

NO TRUST AMONG REBELS

PROJECT STAR-DUST

REUNION AT SAWS HIDEOUT

ROGUE ONE

SCARIF ANTENNA ALIGNMENT PT 1

SCARIF ANTENNA ALIGNMENT PT 2

SCRAMBLING THE REBEL FLEET

THE BAZAARS OF JEDHA

THE DETENTION OF JYN ERSO

THE JEDHA KHAMSEEN

THE JEDHA SIROCCO

THE WHILLS TEMPLE CHANT

THERES SPIES EVERYWHERE

TODAY OF ALL DAYS

TRUST GOES BOTH WAYS

WE HAVE TO PRESS THE ATTACK

WHAT BRINGS YOU TO SCARIF?

 

 

[John 2,032]

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[Naïve Old Fart 9,507]

Did Alexandre Desplat write any music for R1, and, if so, has he re-used it?

[mstrox 6,647]

He reused it for Harry Potter.

[Jay 37,322]

2 minutes ago, Richard said:

Did Alexandre Desplat write any music for R1, and, if so, has he re-used it?

 

To answer the first question: Yes

 

To answer the second question: How would we possibly know that?

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

If he did he certainly would not admit that!

[Jay 37,322]

Very likely true.

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

I wonder If Disney's lawyers will listen to this score, since the Mouse still owns Desplat's score for Rogue One.

[leeallen01 2,134]

Have you not seen the track list for his score to 'The Light Between Oceans?'

 

Music Composed by Alexandre Desplat

 

1. Letters

2. Tom

3. Jyn Erso takes flight

4. The Dinghy

5. Isabel

6. In God’s Hands

7. Reused Rogue One [No.128]

8. To Resent

9. Janus

10. A Wonderful Father

11. Suck it Disney

12. Path of Light

13. The Return

14. Hannah Roennfeldt

15. Still Your Husband

16. Yeah This Is From Rogue One Too

17. Sue Me

18. To Be Loved

19. The Light Between Oceans

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

Lol!

[Jay 37,322]

9 minutes ago, Stefancos said:

I wonder If Disney's lawyers will listen to this score, since the Mouse still owns Desplat's score for Rogue One.

 

They'd only be listening to synthetic demos, since nothing was recorded.

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

But they own everything Desplat has written 

[Jay 37,322]

I never said otherwise.

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

You edited your post!

[Pieter Boelen 740]

I don't mind Rogue One NOT being unbearably dark.

Honestly cannot stand excessive darkness these days.

[Luke Skywalker 1,793]

The dramatic parts of the film were scored apty.

 

The rest of the film is not truly dark, there is a lot of humor

[Manakin Skywalker 4,891]

I don't care for Desplat, to be bluntly honest. His music is too boring and depressing in my opinion. I was disappointed when I first heard he was going to score Rogue One. I'm glad he didn't. I can't remember a single piece of music of his from Harry Potter, and I've seen the last two movies dozens of times. There's no substance, just a bunch of soft staccato string riffs.

[Arpy 4,145]

Is there a segment on the score on the R1 special features?

 

 

[Manakin Skywalker 4,891]

15 hours ago, RPurton said:

Is there a segment on the score on the R1 special features?

 

 

Doesn't look that way.

[Giftheck 916]

And gone are the days they put bits from the sessions into the games too. It's all OSTs or original music now. So if it's unreleased music you're looking for... you'll probably have to wait until Disney decides to do an expanded release.

[Ricard 2,244]

Michael Giacchino Is The New John Williams
 

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The lack of an opening crawl meant that there wasn’t really an emphasis on it in the same manner as other Star Wars films. After listening to Giacchino’s work on its own though, it becomes clear that Giacchino is Williams’ heir.

 

 

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If Jurassic World created the potential for Giacchino to take over for Williams, then Rogue One cemented his status as Williams’ successor. What is great about the Rogue One score is how Giacchino draws on the entire range of Williams’ work on Star Wars.

 

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Giacchino has proven adept at respecting the work he’s drawing upon while still creating enough original material to make the score his own. He is the chosen one to succeed Williams as Star Wars composer. As a wise Jedi once said, always two there are, no more, no less. A master and an apprentice.

 

http://georgetownvoice.com/2017/03/14/michael-giacchino-is-the-new-john-williams/

[Jay 37,322]

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

I just threw up in my mouth!

[Ricard 2,244]

6 minutes ago, Jay said:

 

I thought it was very informative!

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

Does anyone, even his fans, really think Gia is the successor to John Williams?

[Jay 37,322]

I don't know anyone who actually does, but content providers love to write articles about the idea!

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

I hate this type of article. It's basically a long text for the sole purpose of justifying a single idea.

 

Like Melange in the political threads.

[BloodBoal 7,538]

1 minute ago, Stefancos said:

I hate this type of article. It's basically a long text for the sole purpose of justifying a single idea.

 

And a wrong one at that.

 

Like Melange in the political threads!

[Cerebral Cortex 3,357]

19 minutes ago, Stefancos said:

I hate this type of article. It's basically a long text for the sole purpose of justifying a single idea.

 

I actually think it was written just so that the writer could use the master and apprentice line. Probably was really proud of that one. 

[mrbellamy 6,272]

Graham Piro, author of the article:

 

[John 2,032]

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[Cerebral Cortex 3,357]

The idea that Giacchino is the successor to Williams is an inane one that I wish would stop being entertained. That's not a jab at Giacchino, I like him. He certainly has his moments. But to whimsically treat Williams as an individual whose quantity and quality of work can be easily replaced by just about anybody not only diminishes his legacy but also is a blatant disregard for what makes Williams unique. Williams is Williams. There is no replacement, just as only Goldsmith could do Goldsmith, or only Horner could do Horner. That's why we love them, they truly stand on their own. To treat something as vastly intricate and complex as music composition as being nothing more than a matter of interchangeable parts is reductive at best and a disservice to somebody like Williams at worst.

[Tallguy 3,380]

58 minutes ago, JohnSolo said:

That's the problem. He did a good job bringing back some of Williams' instantly-recognizable cues, but failed to create any memorable new themes himself.

 

I get Jyn's theme stuck in my head pretty often. 

 

He may well be Williams' successor.  Who else is in the running?

 

But that in no way means he is Williams' replacement.

[Dixon Hill 4,233]

2 minutes ago, Tallguy said:

Who else is in the running?

 

No one is, including Giacchino.  That's the whole point.  It's not a freaking official position that is going to be vacant imminently.  It's just fanboyish navel gazing amongst certain circles of film music world.  A pretty tiring subject.

[Jay 37,322]

Indeed!

[Tallguy 3,380]

18 minutes ago, TheGreyPilgrim said:

 

No one is, including Giacchino.  That's the whole point.  It's not a freaking official position that is going to be vacant imminently.  It's just fanboyish navel gazing amongst certain circles of film music world.  A pretty tiring subject.

No, I do not think that Mr. G or anyone else is going to get their "You are now Officially John Williams" ticket punched.

 

But you could argue that Williams was a successor to Herrmann and Korngold.  Someone will be compared to Williams.  Especially when he or she is writing Williams sequels.

 

 

[Dixon Hill 4,233]

And yet I might argue he's the successor to North and Mancini.

 

The point is, what these composers are to each of us is, most likely, ephemeral.  The "next Williams" for me is not likely to be the "next Williams" for many others here.  Who is John Williams, anyway?  The guy who scores Star Wars and Jurassic Park movies and writes themes for 4 trumpets?  If that's what he is, or anything similarly surface based, then there will be plenty of composers who come along and get dubbed the next that.  

 

But I think he's much more than that, and while no one is going to do what he does in exactly the same way, there are certainly composers now and will continue to be in the future who do it in their own way.  The essence of what makes Williams special is alive and well elsewhere, in other shades, and always will be.  The business of actively looking for a "successor" is rather silly.

 

But for facile stylistic comparisons, sure.  I guess that's the business of broad, dilettante history and can't be avoided. 

[KK 3,307]

Why North, may I ask?

[BloodBoal 7,538]

[Ricard 2,244]

43 minutes ago, TheGreyPilgrim said:

It's just fanboyish navel gazing amongst certain circles of film music world.  A pretty tiring subject.

 

I'm surprised that people still write articles about it.

 

5 minutes ago, BloodBoal said:

The two never really sounded similar, to me (apart from a few occasional pieces here and there), and that's why when I first heard of this "Giacchino is the new John Williams" thing, I didn't get it, and still don't (regardless of the quality of the music of both composers).

 

My thoughts exactly.

[Dixon Hill 4,233]

No, they're not close at all.  They're as "close" as Williams is to Korngold or Steiner.  These are easy, not very deep comparisons that have been made for decades, and the Giacchino/Williams one is just the latest.  It has nothing to do with genuine subtle stylistic tendencies, and less than nothing to do with shared psychological and philosophical perspective.

 

Which, incidentally, KK, is why I think someone like North was an antecedent of Williams more than other oft cited possibilities: he scored far "deeper" parts of a story than most other composers do, or are allowed to do, then or now.  Yes, there are orchestration/voicing things in common.  But it's the way in which these guys tell - no, not tell, compliment - stories with their music that makes them them, to me, and that's the quality that puts someone in the same vein as Williams in my judgement.  It's hard to put into words, but this is the key for me, far more than anything sonically stylistic.  Hence why, gasp, someone like Zimmer is perfectly comparable to Williams: it's what they do, not how they do it.

 

Frankly, Giacchino has only once dipped into that vein in his career.

[KK 3,307]

Ah, I missed the post before yours. I thought you were comparing Giacchino to North. Hence my confusion, or curiosity.

 

Williams and North is an apt comparison indeed, in as you say, subtext and technique, and also in how they both strived to create a unique musical vocabulary for themselves.

 

7 minutes ago, Ricard said:

I'm surprised that people still write articles about it.

 

All these latest online blogs need click-bait headlines for us to like and share on Facebook...and sadly, it still works.

[Bryant Burnette 654]

If there's one thing that's more tiring than the comparison of Giacchino to Williams, it's the complaining about comparing Giacchino to Williams.

[Bilbo 3,709]

We should never mention Djiatchino again, I agree. 

[Cerebral Cortex 3,357]

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"Rogue One had much better music than The Force Awakens."

My mature and well-thought-out response.

[Tallguy 3,380]

1 hour ago, TheGreyPilgrim said:

Frankly, Giacchino has only once dipped into that vein in his career.

When is that, do you think?