Michael Giacchino's Rogue One: A Star Wars Story (2016) - 2022 Expanded Edition now available

[Disco Stu 15,495]

I must admit I haven't listened to any of this score since maybe early January, possibly December.

 

My opinion of the film has only been lowered by time, so I don't see myself revisiting either any time soon.  This is not a feeling I relish!

[Giftheck 916]

1 hour ago, crumbs said:

So how do people rate Rogue One's interpretation of Luke's Theme/End Credits?

 

I found it really jarring when I saw the film in cinemas, but on my third listen it's not that bad. I think Giacchino's harsh recording style just throws me right off, and it's a thoroughly awkward transition from the finale cue.

 

Not sure why they went to such lengths to avoid Main Title for the film's opening title (with awful results) yet happily used a carbon copy of ANH for the end credits. 

 

It's almost as if there was instruction to use the Force Theme at that moment and he had nothing to transition from that into the end credits, so he just used a section of "Trust Goes Both Ways". If it had been Williams, of course the transition would have been a lot more natural, and the finale cue would have ended with that orchestra hit that would have segued into the end credits.

 

I don't have much of a problem with the end credits themselves, though you are right when you say that the harsh recording technique takes something away from it.

 

As for the recording in general, Giacchino's scores last year seem to be making a lot of use of close-microphone-recorded percussion. In fact, it reminds me a great deal of Revenge of the Sith using the same style for its percussion (though the implementation was superior without a doubt)

[Will 2,215]

I did very much mind the Trust Goes Both Ways truncation on first listen.

 

But after that I've come to accept it as just another variation. And I do quite love the variation (it has this wonderful sense of "desperation" and the controversial ending is overwhelming in how it piles more and more sound, building to a sudden cut-off). 

 

Anyway, I quite like this unreleased cue - I remember the timestamped fanfare being one I noticed in the theatre, as the X-wings awesome-ly soar straight upwards after their initial beach attack:

 

 

I also love the Rebel fanfare bit earlier (plays when Baze and co. look up to see the X-wings arriving) especially how it culminates in the heroic note at 1:57. 

 

If you don't like trumpet triplets, though, this cue will not be for you. 

[MedigoScan 324]

On 14-3-2017 at 7:40 PM, CGCJ said:

Spoiler

 

I wish we had that theme too, especially the AT-CT bit from around 1:15

Its so fun

[DominicCobb 194]

Damn, that transition really is rough, didn't remember it being that bad. It honestly seems like they didn't even try there. Not sure what you guys mean by the "Trust Goes Both Ways" section. Isn't that just the end of "Hope"?

 

Interesting to hear and finally confirm this is a new end title recording (I actually quite like his interpretation of the latter part of it). So I guess this makes this the first Star Wars film since The Phantom Menace to not feature any music tracked from a previous Star Wars score then.

[Manakin Skywalker 4,891]

19 hours ago, DominicCobb said:

So I guess this makes this the first Star Wars film since The Phantom Menace to not feature any music tracked from a previous Star Wars score then.

TFA didn't either.

[Pieter Boelen 740]

8 minutes ago, Manakin Skywalker said:

TFA didn't either.

Binary Sunset in Rey's duel with Ren?

[Will 2,215]

20 hours ago, DominicCobb said:

Damn, that transition really is rough, didn't remember it being that bad. It honestly seems like they didn't even try there. Not sure what you guys mean by the "Trust Goes Both Ways" section. Isn't that just the end of "Hope"?

 

That same "Hope" transition is also heard in the Force theme statement in "Trust Goes Both Ways."

[Jay 37,336]

1 hour ago, Manakin Skywalker said:

TFA didn't either.

 

Sure it did.  When Rey calls the lightsaber to her, that's tracked in from the 1977 recording.

[DominicCobb 194]

1 hour ago, Will said:

 

That same "Hope" transition is also heard in the Force theme statement in "Trust Goes Both Ways."

 

Similar, but not quite the same.

[Disco Stu 15,495]

Apologies if this was already talked about, but I see that David Collins is hosting a "Music of Rogue One" panel at Star Wars Celebration on Thursday.  I'm guessing Giacchino will be there and I'm guessing it will be released as a Star Wars Oxygen episode.

[Tallguy 3,381]

17 hours ago, DominicCobb said:

 

Similar, but not quite the same.

I hadn't even noticed until people brought it up.  But then I have to admit they're really close.  What's different?

 

Digging back though this now that I can watch it with the DVD. 

 

Some moments I had guessed at.  For instance "I would trust her with my life" is marked with an almost statement of Leia's theme.  Nice.

Others I had totally forgotten.  The whole sequence of Your Father Would be Proud is amazing.  It's scored almost entirely against the action.  The Death Star appearing on the horizon is marked with a resigned sigh of the strings!  The two Star Destroyers crashing through the shield gate is scored with such peace and calm.

 

I love it.

 

The end titles end with the Star Wars ending rather than the Jedi / Sith one (which I noticed in the cinema).  But then it fades and there is a restatement of Jyn's theme on harp.  The end titles don't include the Hope theme, just Jyn's!  Interesting.

[Bilbo 3,709]

33 minutes ago, Disco Stu said:

Apologies if this was already talked about, but I see that David Collins is hosting a "Music of Rogue One" panel at Star Wars Celebration on Thursday.  I'm guessing Giacchino will be there and I'm guessing it will be released as a Star Wars Oxygen episode.

 

What makes you think Gia will be there? 

[Disco Stu 15,495]

2 hours ago, Bilbo Skywalker said:

 

What makes you think Gia will be there? 

 

It's not Summer yet, but this seems promising:

 

 

So yeah, it's just a prediction and Giacchino might be too busy with Planet of the Apes or Spider-Man. 

[Manakin Skywalker 4,891]

On ‎4‎/‎9‎/‎2017 at 5:45 PM, Jay said:

 

Sure it did.  When Rey calls the lightsaber to her, that's tracked in from the 1977 recording.

Ah shit! Don't know how I forgot that.

[Tallguy 3,381]

I wonder if there will be an expanded RO score this Christmas.  I know, I know, I'm thinking Star Trek.  Same composer different label.  Who knows.

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

Doubtful

[Tallguy 3,381]

4 minutes ago, Stefancos said:

Doubtful

Awwww...

 

The fact that I'm even interested in an expansion is kind of surprising these days.

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

I'm not even interested in the OST.

[John 2,032]

Even if they did release an expanded R1 soundtrack, I probably wouldn't get it. I'd be much more interested in the full score for TFA. There's so much good music from the movie they left out from the OST.

[Tallguy 3,381]

I realize there are some terrible movies with terrific scores that I love and accordingly I know the score better than the film. 

 

And I know that TFA has an arguably better score than RO.  (I watched it a few weeks ago after binging on RO.  Hearing the score I said "Ahhhh.  That IS the real stuff, isn't it?")

 

But I'm much more compelled to get into the nooks and crannies of RO than I am TFA just because I'm far more engaged by the film.  (And I LIKE TFA.  And it is NOT a retread of Star Wars.)

[Unlucky Bastard 7,782]

Just now, Tallguy said:

And it is NOT a retread of Star Wars.)

 

No, it's a completely original story about a young person from a desert planet who looks after a mysterious droid carrying something the baddies want, and gains a mentor who dies at the hand of said baddies; meanwhile the baddies have built another giant sphere that blows up planets.

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

Yep.

[Disco Stu 15,495]

God not this debate again.  zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

Again? This debate will run for decades. It's Star Wars. People are still debating the relative merits of the shitty Prequels.

[BloodBoal 7,538]

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

It does and it doesnt. t depends on what philosophical plain we are having this discussion.

[BloodBoal 7,538]

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

Metaphysically it has no wings. Psychologically it might. Depending on a Jungian or Freudian viewpoint. Søren Kierkegaard argued that the wings actually exists in the minds of the Company only. While Jean-Paul Sartre counters that only the Balrog exists and Moria itself is an illusion.

[Tallguy 3,381]

21 minutes ago, Disco Stu said:

God not this debate again.  zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Sorry, sorry, sorry.  Nothing to see here.  Move along.

[Disco Stu 15,495]

On 4/10/2017 at 3:31 PM, Disco Stu said:

 

It's not Summer yet, but this seems promising:

 

 

So yeah, it's just a prediction and Giacchino might be too busy with Planet of the Apes or Spider-Man. 

 

Well nevermind.  He started recording Spider-Man this week so I guess he won't be at Celebration after all.

[BloodBoal 7,538]

[mstrox 6,649]

He could easily fly from LA to ORL for the weekend.  However, I think a film score panel would advertise if the composer was present (or at least a "special guest"), so it's doubtful to me.

[BloodBoal 7,538]

[Disco Stu 15,495]

This is an interview mostly about the upcoming Spider-Man: Homecoming score but Giacchino mentions at the very end that they're planning live-to-projection concerts of the Rogue One score:

 

 

[Giftheck 916]

Interesting...

 

With the eception of Beyond (which has yet to have a proper L2P), his previous Star Trek scores had L2P performances which preceeded expanded scores. Of course, this is Disney and they haven't even done the original film's score expanded yet, so it's unlikely that the trend will continue here.

[leeallen01 2,135]

I'm so looking forward to hearing his Rogue One Score performed at the Giacchino concert at the Royal Albert Hall in October, but a live to projection would be fucking awesome.

[Will 2,215]

Cool! 

 

I'm not sure if I'd go to it just because there are so many Williams ones to see, but I'm sure it will be awesome.

[leeallen01 2,135]

So we can basically confirm that Giacchino will score 'The Batman.' He said in the video that Matt Reeves is doing Batman, and of course Giacchino has scored everything Reeves has directed.

[Luke Skywalker 1,794]

lets hope.

[Pieter Boelen 740]

Imagine a non-depressing Batman score again!

Haven't had that since.... well, THIS year I suppose!

[leeallen01 2,135]

At least we'll get something completely different from Giacchino. No more of the ear-bleeding stuff like Batman v Superman.

 

 

 

I think this calls for one of my videos; 'What if Michael Giacchino Scored Batman.'

[BloodBoal 7,538]

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

Every single franchise!

[Dixon Hill 4,234]

There are moments in Zimmer's Batman scores that are more rousing, stirring, and uplifting than Giacchino could ever manage.  

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

This is becoming offensive! Gia is becoming intellectually offensive to the film score lover!

 

He's the Starbucks of film scoring, the Dunkin's!

[Pieter Boelen 740]

Have to say, I still quite appreciate his score for Rogue One.

Is it as good as Williams? Nope, not even close.

But it is definitely a whole lot better than I would have expected.

 

Especially when it was still supposed to be Desplat.

I believe he can write enjoyable music; but I'm still waiting for him to really do so.

[Manakin Skywalker 4,891]

Here's the recording session cue list for anyone interested. I have the official cue names for all of the cues, but some of the tags (e.g. '1m1') are missing, so I had to guess where some of them go. Source cues are included.

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1m01 He's Here For Us
1m02 A Long Ride Ahead
1m03 Wobani Imperial Labor Camp
?m04 There's Spies Everywhere
?m05 The Detention of Jyn Erso
?m06 Jyn's Interrogation
?m07 Trust Goes Both Ways
?m08 Reunion at Saw's Hideout
?m09 When Has Become Now
?m10 Jyn's Memories of Childhood
2m11 Mission to Jedha Pt. 1
2m12 Mission to Jedha Pt. 2
2m13 Hearts Of Kyber
2m14b Jedha City Ambush
?m?? Let Them Pass In Peace Pt. 1
?m?? Let Them Pass In Peace Pt. 2
3m20 Today Of All Days
3m21 Star-Dust
3m22 An Imperial Test Of Power
?m23 Apologies Are In Order
?m24 Imperial Departure
4m25 Approach to Eadu
4m26 No Trust Among Rebels
4m27 Jyn's Path is Clear
4m28 Confrontation of Eadu
?m29 Krennic's Aspirations
5m30 Rebellions Are Built On Hope
5m31 A Rebel Change of Heart
5m32 Rogue One
5m33 Cargo Shuttle SW-608
5m34 Good Luck Little Sister
5m35 What Brings You To Scarif?
5m36 Are We Blind?
6m37 Scrambling the Rebel Fleet
6m38 AT-ACT Assault
6m39 Finding a Way Through
6m40 Project Star-Dust
6m41 Entering the Imperial Archives
6m42 Get That Beach Under Control
6m43 The Master Switch
7m44 We Have To Press The Attack
7m45a Scarif Antenna Allignment Pt. 1
7m45b Scarif Antenna Allignment Pt. 2
7m46 Your Father Would Be Proud
7m? Hope
7m50 End Credits

 

-SUITES-
Jyn Erso & Hope Suite
The Imperial Suite
Guardians of the Whills Suite

 

-SOURCE MUSIC-
A Game of Dejarik
Kafrene Temple Music
The Bazaars of Jedha
The Jedha Khamseen
The Jedha Sirocco
The Whills Temple Chant

 

-UNKNOWN-
News from the Ashes
No Friends Of The Empire

 

 

[CGCJ 394]

"No Friends Of The Empire" should go after "Let Them Pass In Peace Pt 2", as it's something Chirrut says as they're taken by Saw's rebels. Also, shouldn't "Imperial Departure" then go after "No Friends Of The Empire" as that's when the Empire departs Jedha?

[Bofur01 245]

Or is the latter Krennic's departure from the Death Star towards Eadu?