#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 Is that a question? Arpy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 It's whatever you want it to be Spoiler Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 What exactly is your question? What exactly is your question? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,516 Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 Perhaps a little unfair, because no-one's seen R1, yet, but the fact that MG is brought in this late, for me, does not bode well. Most composers are able to deal with reshoots, but a whole new guy? I smell a rat, as if The Mouse wanted MG, all along. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,480 Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 Giacchino is older than what I taught. He's 48? At 48 Williams already wrote Jaws, Star Wars, Close Encounters, Superman and Empire Strikes Back. Well, it seems a lost cause. Ricard 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Nick1Ø66 4,714 Posted September 16, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted September 16, 2016 I predict Gia's Rogue One score will be the best Star Trek score we've heard since Rosenman's Lord of the Rings. A. A. Ron, Ricard and Quintus 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeallen01 2,136 Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 Some people here complaining that Desplat would have done his own thing and Giacchino is going to have a Williams-reference-gasm, clearly haven't heard Giacchino's franchise scores. He barely references past composers work in his new stuff. In his Trek trilogy, he references things in the end credits and nothing much else at all. In Planet of the Apes he did his own thing with no references. Jurassic World had the obligatory reference as they saw the park itself and only a couple more tiny references scattered elsewhere. He also only used the Mission Impossible main theme for the obvious reasons of it being irreplaceable. Giacchino isn't an 'over-referencer.' He will only reference the really obvious things like Vader, Rebel, etc that have to be used for musical continuity and Disney's demands for fan service, but elsewhere Giacchino will do his own thing. He is tried and tested as a great Composer for taking over existing franchises with iconic music, and he has made every one of them his own. I was very excited for a Desplat Star Wars score, but Giacchino was born to do it anyway, so as a huge fan of both guys, it is like someone taking away a bowl of chocolate ice cream from me, and replacing it with another bowl of chocolate ice cream. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post #SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted September 16, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted September 16, 2016 Gia was not born to do it. Can we please after 20 years move away from this "Giacchino is the next John Williams" schtick! MikeH, Bilbo, crumbs and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUMENKOHL 1,068 Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 They should really just co-compose. I think I've finally cracked it, the reason Desplat and Gia are independently not quite as great as Jerry Goldsmith or John Williams is because they're basically supposed to be one. If you smashed them together, you'd have a great composer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antovolk 95 Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 Am I the only one thinking the choice of Giacchino sort of is evidence for that tonal change? I like his work but I think he'd be more suited to the main saga. Would prefer someone with a distinctively different sound from JW to try mould themselves to the universe rather than a JW/a similar sounding composer trying to put a twist on the established sound. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUMENKOHL 1,068 Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 9 minutes ago, Stefancos said: Gia was not born to do it. Can we please after 20 years move away from this "Giacchino is the next John Williams" schtick! He was born to do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 Et tu, Brassica? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,651 Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 So pumped. Disco Stu 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,352 Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 12 minutes ago, leeallen01 said: He barely references past composers work in his new stuff. In his Trek trilogy, he references things in the end credits and nothing much else at all. In Planet of the Apes he did his own thing with no references. Jurassic World had the obligatory reference as they saw the park itself and only a couple more tiny references scattered elsewhere. He also only used the Mission Impossible main theme for the obvious reasons of it being irreplaceable. I don't know if that's all correct. For the Apes scores yes, you're right. For both MI scores, though, he didn't only use the MI theme, he also used "The Plot", and very well, I might add (though Kraemer's use of The Plot blows anything Giacchino or Elfman did with it out of the water) For Star Trek, in the 09 film he actually referenced the Courage theme throughout the score, not just i the end credits. And for Jurassic World, I wouldn't call the other references after the obligatory Park introduction "tiny"; There was the prolonged and newly orchestrated piano version in the Olde Visitors Center, the TLW theme for the raptor, and more of the main theme at the end of the film and start of the end credits. Really he quoted the original theme about as much as JW did in his TLW score. mrbellamy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeallen01 2,136 Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 10 minutes ago, Stefancos said: Gia was not born to do it. Can we please after 20 years move away from this "Giacchino is the next John Williams" schtick! Never said he was the next Williams. I said he was born to do it. Meaning he has shown in his work and his attitude, and also his skill to take over an iconic franchise of music and make it his own. Star Wars is the next logical step in his career. Far more logical than moving into Marvel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 Just now, Jay said: And for Jurassic World, I wouldn't call the other references after the obligatory Park introduction "tiny"; There was the prolonged and newly orchestrated piano version in the Olde Visitors Center, the TLW theme for the raptor, and more of the main theme at the end of the film and start of the end credits. Really he quoted the original theme about as much as JW did in his TLW score. I forget all that since most of those were not in the OST, right? That movie is hot flaming garbage I would never subject myself to more than once so all the music not on the OST fades from memory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,352 Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 The piano version from the Visitors Center was not on the OST, correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 Is the Lost World theme on the OST? If so, I clearly need to revisit since I completely forgot. It was my least favorite of Giacchino's 2015 scores so I haven't revisited much. That "As the Jurassic World Turns" is a fantastic original theme and was criminally under-used is about all I remember. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 1 minute ago, Disco Stu said: "As the Jurassic World Turns" is fantastic original theme that was criminally under-used is about all I remember. Tepid and insufficient. igger6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 Let's just change the name of the site to MGHater and be done with it. The negativity around him here gets so tiresome. It's just the same people shuffling around taking turns saying the same opinions over and over and over and over. EDIT: I'm going to note that I don't have a problem with anyone not liking his music or voicing that opinion reasonably. You like what you like. But just showing up to basically shout "Gia Sux!" and make a fart noise.... leeallen01 and igger6 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,006 Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 4 minutes ago, Stefancos said: Tepid and insufficient. His 5-year mission theme from Beyond would serve Jurassic World better. The suspense/action material from that score is actually pretty solid work. And probably among the best live action material he's written so far. Karol leeallen01 and Bofur01 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,352 Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 8 minutes ago, Disco Stu said: Is the Lost World theme on the OST? If so, I clearly need to revisit since I completely forgot. Yes, its on the OST. See here: http://www.jwfan.com/forums/index.php?/topic/24405-michael-giacchinos-jurassic-world-2015/&do=findComment&comment=1137769 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 3 hours ago, crumbs said: My main disappointment with this news is that I can't stand the dry, tinny orchestrations and recording techniques that plague Giacchino scores. They never sound symphonic, more like a large-scale TV movie. Every section of the orchestra sounds loud with little range or restraint to the *orchestration*. I hope you don't mind my making a slight change to your post, which is the best I've read today, thanks. Anyway, I bet Disney were annoyed that Desplat planned to theme one of the main hero characters with a solo fiddle and a little piano accompaniment! Bespin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 I am a fan of Giacchino but I fully concede that he does not have Desplat's impeccable talent for orchestration. I do however think that Giacchino writes more memorable melodies! Maybe we'll get a score with catchier original themes but orchestrations less pleasurable to listen to? leeallen01 and crumbs 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick1Ø66 4,714 Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 16 minutes ago, Disco Stu said: Let's just change the name of the site to MGHater and be done with it. The negativity around him here gets so tiresome. It's just the same people shuffling around taking turns saying the same opinions over and over and over and over. So is there a comprehensive list of Gia lovers/haters/neutrals around here that one can refer to? igger6 and Disco Stu 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 2 minutes ago, Nick66 said: So is there a comprehensive list of Gia lovers/haters/neutrals around here that one can refer to? IF YOU CHOOSE NOT TO DECIDE YOU STILL HAVE MADE A CHOICE! (and the answer is no, because I'm not coo coo) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeallen01 2,136 Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 6 minutes ago, crocodile said: His 5-year mission theme from Beyond would serve Jurassic World better. Karol I too believe this. Watching the whole 'entering Jurassic World for the first time' scene with 0:57 - 2:57 in 'A Night on the Yorktown' works great. 0:57 (The kids start walking through Jurassic World to their hotel room.) 2:08 (The kid opens the curtains of the hotel room to reveal the landscape shot of the park) Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightscape94 965 Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 Just seeing this news now. Was really looking forward to a Desplat Star Wars score. Giacchino, not so much. I'm sure he'll cull together a serviceable score, but just like everything else of his I've heard, relatively stale and uninteresting as an isolated listening experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick1Ø66 4,714 Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 There are going to be a LOT of Star Wars movies. Desplat will get his chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 Just now, Nick66 said: There are going to be a LOT of Star Wars movies. Desplat will get his chance. If you ignore the gossip and assume that the reason given in the press release for his replacement is true, then actually yeah he might. One can hope, at least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post BloodBoal 7,538 Posted September 16, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted September 16, 2016 Exclusive interview with Desplat about the Rogue One replacement Quote /FILM: Can you tell us more about what exactly happened on Rogue One? Desplat: We have a saying in France: "Fais chier, putain de bordel de merde", which basically means "C'est la vie!". Sometimes, things happen which you just can't control, and you gotta learn to deal with them. Giacchino happened, and now, we gotta deal with it. Alex Shore, Once and Bespin 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Nick1Ø66 4,714 Posted September 16, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted September 16, 2016 "Giacchino happened." LOL. I sense the birth of a meme. crumbs, A. A. Ron, Not Mr. Big and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ymenard 54 Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 There was definitely a connection between Gia's score and the original Goldsmith POTA one. His work on that movie was much more grounded to existing material than for Jurassic World. Anyway, Giacchino could quote his Star Tours material and go Cabaret-style! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 Pauvre Alexandre! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 1 minute ago, Nick66 said: "Giacchino happened." LOL. I sense the birth of a meme. I really wish it was real because it's very funny, but if you click the link Bloodboal included you will see that there is no such interview. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick1Ø66 4,714 Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 Ah, pity. Too good to be true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete 907 Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 They hired a stormtrooper to write the music? Bespin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,310 Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 18 minutes ago, Quintus said: I hope you don't mind my making a slight change to your post, which is the best I've read today, thanks. Anyway, I bet Disney were annoyed that Desplat planned to theme one of the main hero characters with a solo fiddle and a little piano accompaniment! A good edit and I tend to agree -- wrong to criticise the *performances* because the orchestra is only doing what they're being told. I just, personally, can't stand whatever Giacchino's preference is with regards to recording techniques and orchestration. It actually has a tendency to ruin some otherwise good writing, as if someone were reading you Shakespeare through a megaphone. Hmm, actually, probably giving Giacchino too much credit there. More like J.K Rowling through a megaphone. Bofur01 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeallen01 2,136 Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 I was the one who got Desplat replaced with Giacchino. Let me explain. I made an extensive youtube video a while back called 'What if James Newton Howard Scored Harry Potter?' Where I matched JNH's music from countless films together with scenes from all 8 Potter films. Then months later the news breaks that JNH is scoring Fantastic Beasts. I also made a youtube video called 'What if Michael Giacchino Scored Star Wars?' Where I also matched Giacchino's music from several films, to scenes from all 6 (at the time) Star Wars films. Now Giacchino gets the Star Wars gig. I also made a 'What if Abel Korzeniowski Scores a Bond Film' video. If that happens in the future, you can all bow down and worship my awesome power. Skelly and Bespin 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ymenard 54 Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 The guy was made do replace Johnny. leeallen01 and Once 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SzPeti42 49 Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 Love reading the different reactions, how it stirred a vast array of emotions. For me it was totally unexpected, I don't want to spoil the film, so I barely listen to any news about it. One side of me is disappointed of course, the other likes Giacchino, so I don't know what to feel I've liked him since his Video Game days, like The Lost World, Medal of Honor, I did not thought that he could have a Hollywood career like this, but I guess he really was and is at the right place at the right time (Alias, Lost with JJ). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,310 Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 10 minutes ago, ymenard said: The guy was made do replace Johnny. LOL @ 2:10 Yikes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 32 minutes ago, Disco Stu said: I am a fan of Giacchino but I fully concede that he does not have Desplat's impeccable talent for orchestration. I do however think that Giacchino writes more memorable melodies! Maybe we'll get a score with catchier original themes but orchestrations less pleasurable to listen to? I'm all about the orchestrations, hence why I joined up at JWFan.com. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 It's certainly true that neither of them are even close to an equal for Williams in terms of melody or orchestration. Anyway, I tend to enjoy Desplat's scores most when he uses non-traditional ensembles, like his work for Wes Anderson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 3 minutes ago, Quintus said: I'm all about the orchestrations, hence why I joined up at JWFan.com. Before the dark times... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 I happened to scroll down to the bottom of that article BloodBoal linked to... The struggle is real. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 The people have spoken! Britain leaves the EU, Gia will score Star Wars, Trump will be President. 2016, the year it all started to go wrong! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,006 Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 6 minutes ago, Stefancos said: The people have spoken! Britain leaves the EU, Gia will score Star Wars, Trump will be President. Batman v Superman...? Karol Bilbo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 Good film! Sharkissimo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post crocodile 8,006 Posted September 16, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted September 16, 2016 30 minutes ago, leeallen01 said: I was the one who got Desplat replaced with Giacchino. Let me explain. I made an extensive youtube video a while back called 'What if James Newton Howard Scored Harry Potter?' Where I matched JNH's music from countless films together with scenes from all 8 Potter films. Then months later the news breaks that JNH is scoring Fantastic Beasts. I also made a youtube video called 'What if Michael Giacchino Scored Star Wars?' Where I also matched Giacchino's music from several films, to scenes from all 6 (at the time) Star Wars films. Now Giacchino gets the Star Wars gig. I also made a 'What if Abel Korzeniowski Scores a Bond Film' video. If that happens in the future, you can all bow down and worship my awesome power. Can you do a "What if John Corigliano Scored a Pixar film" please? Karol Sharkissimo, Gnome in Plaid and leeallen01 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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