Will 2,215 Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 I was wondering recently which film composers use/used pen/pencil and paper and which use/used computer software. For example, Horner. Or Desplat (I know he uses the VSL but does he sometimes use paper)? Giacchino (obviously he uses MIDI sometimes, but always?) Etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karelm 2,912 Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 In general, composers who grew up before the personal computer (the early 1980s with a milestone being Mac in 1984) use paper and pencil. Of course there are exceptions. Also important is Finale and early DAW which were early 1990's and late 1990's.Those who grew up after have no memory of a non personal computer. It is fair to say that those who grew up after the late 1990's were using digital audio workstations as their primary method of writing music. Those before it were using pencil an paper. This is a gross generality. I think it is important that a budding composer not look too much to the past as a way to emulate how it was done. There was a major change once technology improved on the process. Do what feels right. Don't reject the past nor the future trends. Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted September 26, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted September 26, 2016 There are as many answers to how composers blend traditional tools with the modern ones as there are composers to ask the question of. In the last decade or so there has been a push towards using computers more, and some initially paper-based folks like JNH have almost totally gone over to the tech side. When you have to supply demos to directors, it's obviously a time saver to have that act integrated with the actual creation of the music. And I know people who feel that composing live, as it were, via a sequencer, in the moment and not worrying about notation, brings out greater spontaneity and freshness in the music. That, to me, depends on how well you can hold ideas in your head, how well you can improvise. Some are more successful with this approach than others. To give an answer as to how anyone works other than Williams, myself, and maybe one or two other notable names would be conjecture on my part. But if I had to guess, Horner worked almost totally on paper but was, I think, starting to get into the sequencing thing, at least with Avatar, but my memory might be off on that or wrong to begin with. I'd be surprised if Desplat doesn't put something down on paper first, whether it's just thematic material or rough sketches, in the same way that JNH still does sketch things out by hand at one point or another alongside the computer stuff. Judging from the way Giacchino's workspace is (was?) set up, I'd say he works exclusively on the computer, either with a notation program or sequencer or both. My own feelings on this have been soapboxed enough: how you get the music out of your head and into some tangible form doesn't matter if you're good at doing it that way. The most efficient and direct means of channeling your ideas is the best one. Pieter Boelen, karelm, Bayesian and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,342 Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 As I recall, Patrick Doyle uses Logic Pro or something. At first he was hesitant to do it, but he claims it has had many advantages for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jilal 569 Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 18 hours ago, Will said: I was wondering recently which film composers use/used pen/pencil and paper and which use/used computer software. For example, Horner. Or Desplat (I know he uses the VSL but does he sometimes use paper)? Giacchino (obviously he uses MIDI sometimes, but always?) Etc. You watched that VSL interview? Didn't know you were getting into virtual instruments. AFAIK, Shore, Williams, Young, Broughton and McNeely are some of the only well-known examples of composers still writing with pencil and paper. Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 I don't consider MIDI composers to be on the same level as proper ones. They assemble music rather then write it. Technology stiffles creativity anyway. Naïve Old Fart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jilal 569 Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 2 minutes ago, Stefancos said: I don't consider MIDI composers to be on the same level as proper ones. They assemble music rather then write it. Technology stiffles creativity anyway. How can you make a statement like that if you're not affiliated with composing in any way? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 It's a know fact. Technology infantizes people. How can you be a proper composer if you can only create music using a battery of computers? bollemanneke and Naïve Old Fart 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jilal 569 Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 2 minutes ago, Stefancos said: It's a know fact. Technology infantizes people. How can you be a proper composer if you can only create music using a battery of computers? Why are you assuming that whoever composes with the aid of a computer can't compose without one? Likewise, would a pencil and paper composer unable to get his thoughts across using a computer be a lesser composer, then? 2 minutes ago, Stefancos said: It's a know fact. Technology infantizes people. How can you be a proper composer if you can only create music using a battery of computers? Source please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 Did I say that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jilal 569 Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 3 minutes ago, Stefancos said: Did I say that? As far as I know, we were talking about MIDI composition in general, not just about "composers unable to write with pencil and paper". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loert 2,511 Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 Pen and paper is a form of technology too... Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 Its not the same thing and you know it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,513 Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 HZ likes to write his scores on toilet paper, and then, wipe his ass with it. That way, you can't tell the difference. gkgyver and TheUlyssesian 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 Indeed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,346 Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 Say John Williams sits down at his piano, tries a few different things, then stumbles upon one he likes and writes it's notation down on a piece of paper with a pencil. Then say another composer sits down as his keyboard, tries a few different things, then stumbles upon one he likes. Since his computer had been recording everything he did, he has it output the notation of that section to a piece of paper. Whats the difference? TSMefford 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 Before the invention of the digital camera, digital filters etc it was much harder to make a really beautiful picture. Now every phone has a good camera, and you can use apps and software to tweak and edit a picture till it looks really great. Anyone can do this. It doesn't require any talent or ability. It's the same thing with music. People who aren't especially talented are able to assemble music that exceeds their actual capabilities. Naïve Old Fart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 7 minutes ago, Stefancos said: Before the invention of the digital camera, digital filters etc it was much harder to make a really beautiful picture. Now every phone has a good camera, and you can use apps and software to tweak and edit a picture till it looks really great. Anyone can do this. It doesn't require any talent or ability. It's the same thing with music. People who aren't especially talented are able to assemble music that exceeds their actual capabilities. If you think about this a little harder, I trust you'll see why it makes no sense. SafeUnderHill 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 Agreed, but there are a lot of people who consider themselves a good photographer but wouldn't be able to take a decent snap without their digital aids. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,191 Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 19 hours ago, Will said: How Does Each Film Composer Write (Paper or Software)? As with all living things, each according to his gifts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Sharkissimo 1,973 Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 1 hour ago, Jay said: Say John Williams sits down at his piano, tries a few different things, then stumbles upon one he likes and writes it's notation down on a piece of paper with a pencil. Then say another composer sits down as his keyboard, tries a few different things, then stumbles upon one he likes. Since his computer had been recording everything he did, he has it output the notation of that section to a piece of paper. Whats the difference? The former method presupposes the composer know what certain orchestral combinations might sound like in his head, and requires more abstract/symbolic thinking on his part as traditional notation is more "representational" than a piano roll. However human imagination can only go so far, so there's a degree of indeterminacy in the end result. I know roughly what a bassoon, alto flute and fibre muted horn playing a G4 will sound like, but not exactly. To me that prospect is more exciting, and I bet Williams feels that same small thrill when he tries out a new colour, chord or voicing. While a VST is a time saver and it can act as a prompt, and in a sense like using a calculator you're outsourcing a slice of your grey matter to a piece of software. That's a slippery slope, and why I'll always try and stick to pen and paper, at least at the sketching stage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jilal 569 Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 I don't like the calculator analogy, Sharkus. It doesn't fit with the rest of what you're saying. The body of your text is giving a fairly emotional argument (thrill, etc.), whilst the former implies a more rational argument. So, suppose I conjure up a combination of instruments I can't exactly imagine - and play it in my DAW. If I'm not all too pleased with that combination, I might alter it. Which is exactly what I might do in a recording session environment. Anyway, I never use a DAW exclusively - I'll always use notation one form or another. There are so many great ways of syncing up both, these days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 2,835 Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 Not sure I'll ever fully comprehend how JW managed to write some of his most complex action cues sitting at his piano with a pencil and paper 1977 and Will 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jilal 569 Posted September 26, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted September 26, 2016 1 minute ago, alextrombone94 said: Not sure I'll ever fully comprehend how JW managed to write some of his most complex action cues sitting at his piano with a pencil and paper The more you study, the more you write music yourself, the more you hear your own music being performed, ... the more fluid your writing becomes. Remember ... John is 84. Will, Alex and karelm 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 It's no different than how someone writes a compelling and intricate novel using paper and a pencil. Notation is just representation of something audible, as the written word is. In the latter case, it can stay as that, while music is ideally heard. The point being that none of us has to sound out every syllable of what we write. Are you posting here while speaking the words out loud to ensure they're what you intend? Are you having the computer read back the words to you? I'm guessing neither is the case. And so it is with music. If you have keen aural skills, it's not that mystifying. This is why ear training, as awful as it is, is probably the most invaluable part of a composer's education. It becomes an internal sense of sound, stimulated by the very look of something on a page. Where technology really comes into this process is bypassing the need for such aural skills. Some, no matter how much work they put into it, will never have the same "inner ear" abilities as others. That's just how brains work. Notation programs and sequencers give immediate tactile sonic feedback, more than you could even do at a piano, obviously, and render such imaginative difficulties moot. Personally, my aural skills are somewhere above average probably, but I enjoy the sense of not quite knowing how something will sound as I write it. It's liberating and keeps you from getting bogged down in finding "the right note." One of many reasons I can't translate my process to involve technology at all. I often wish I could. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karelm 2,912 Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 John Williams would use computers if he were faster when using them. He isn't. It takes years to learn and maintain proficiency with the technology and his time is better spent writing music than learning a new tool every few months. He himself said if he was starting out now he would be part of a more technologically skilled group of composers but his tool was piano, paper, and pencil. That is a big step backwards for some kids learning their craft today. I agree one can't assume a composer is better if they use one set of tools versus another. I do believe all these learning makes you a better rounded composer. It is good if you perform music yourself. It is good if you conduct, it is good if you play in an orchestra at a high proficiency level, but it is also good if you write jazz, rock, opera, enjoy reading, have curiosity, public speaking skills, etc...all these things become part of your tool chest that will make you the better composer. If you lack any of those, that's a hit working against you. But that may not mean any of these is your thing. I took a year of violin lessons. I suck at violin since it's not my thing but it did help me to think more like a violinist and benefited my writing. Gnome in Plaid 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkissimo 1,973 Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 1 hour ago, Jilal said: I don't like the calculator analogy, Sharkus. It doesn't fit with the rest of what you're saying. The body of your text is giving a fairly emotional argument (thrill, etc.), whilst the former implies a more rational argument. The emotional argument was meant to be a footnote, although it doesn't read that way. The gist of what I was trying to say is this: relying on a DAW as a compositional crutch can restrict creativity. But then again, there are some who said "write as much as you can within your head, and avoid using the piano." Where do you draw the line? The more I think about it, the more arbitrary that distinction between a piano and DAW seems. 1 hour ago, TheWhiteRider said: Personally, my aural skills are somewhere above average probably, but I enjoy the sense of not quite knowing how something will sound as I write it. It's liberating and keeps you from getting bogged down in finding "the right note." One of many reasons I can't translate my process to involve technology at all. I often wish I could. That's exactly what I was getting at: re the thrill of the unexpected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted September 27, 2016 Share Posted September 27, 2016 You're spot on saying that the distinction between using technology like a piano to aid in composition and using technology like a computer to aid in composition is arbitrary. Tools are tools, and tools can be used by anyone, and tools can be misused by anyone, and tools can be a crutch for laziness, and tools can be a powerful ally for craft and imagination. Someone who skates by using sequencers today would, a hundred years ago, be skating by using notation - it just would be laziness with a different tool. Yeah, you can copy bars in a notation program and end up with boring repetitive music. You can also abuse the old come sopra on paper and end up with boring repetitive music. It might seem like computers facilitate cutting corners, but the truth is that they don't any more than any other method did or does. And the notion that it's bad that anyone can now take nice photographs or nice video or make music with high production values due to technology is patently silly. It's great for people to be able to do things. Those who embrace said things fully will no doubt pursue them in more serious ways than the others who dabble as their gadgets allow, and as always it's those devoted few whose work will rise to the top, so one need not worry about the rabble of wannabe artists choking up their precious stream of Great Art... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muad'Dib 1,802 Posted September 27, 2016 Share Posted September 27, 2016 6 hours ago, Stefancos said: Agreed, but there are a lot of people who consider themselves a good photographer but wouldn't be able to take a decent snap without their digital aids. On the contrary, it's much easier to get a good shot on an analogic camera. Almost any way you end placing the camera will end up looking decent at the very least. On a digital camera you have to be much more careful and precise, as you get far more detail. So I don't think this comparison applies, honestly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gnome in Plaid 219 Posted September 27, 2016 Share Posted September 27, 2016 I thought I posted this, but it never showed up or got eaten by the board, so: "I know Shore uses pencil and paper. According to "On the Track," Broughton and Young write by hand as well (although a poster here once said Young has abandoned that), and HGW and Debney start on paper but move pretty quickly to computer. " 1 hour ago, TheWhiteRider said: You're spot on saying that the distinction between using technology like a piano to aid in composition and using technology like a computer to aid in composition is arbitrary. Tools are tools, and tools can be used by anyone, and tools can be misused by anyone, and tools can be a crutch for laziness, and tools can be a powerful ally for craft and imagination. Someone who skates by using sequencers today would, a hundred years ago, be skating by using notation - it just would be laziness with a different tool. Yeah, you can copy bars in a notation program and end up with boring repetitive music. You can also abuse the old come sopra on paper and end up with boring repetitive music. It might seem like computers facilitate cutting corners, but the truth is that they don't any more than any other method did or does. And the notion that it's bad that anyone can now take nice photographs or nice video or make music with high production values due to technology is patently silly. It's great for people to be able to do things. Those who embrace said things fully will no doubt pursue them in more serious ways than the others who dabble as their gadgets allow, and as always it's those devoted few whose work will rise to the top, so one need not worry about the rabble of wannabe artists choking up their precious stream of Great Art.... On one level, I totally agree with you. Tools are tools, and it's ultimately about the person using them and not the technology that facilitates their work. But that's the key word: facilitate. Once you get used to the process, you can work much more quickly using notation programs, and for someone like me who's dysgraphic, the aid in precision is a godsend. But I don't think you should have to rely on those digital tools to produce something. There's a reason photography programs, for example, still begin instruction on film. It's that you learn technical skills and process that can't be hand-waved away by "computer magic." Even if you ultimately make the decision to use, say, digital focus or Photoshop to touch up photos as a professional, you've learned to create art that can stand on its own. You've learned about photo composition and light balance; you've learned about the inner workings of your craft. Art doesn't exist in a vacuum. Someone might be self-taught or lack formal training, or consciously choose to break with tradition, but by the time that person's really making something meaningful and lasting, that artist is aware of his or her predecessors and contemporaries, and has developed a fundamental understanding of the methods of his or her choosing. And that's why I think that either proficiency with traditional notation or considerable experience in a performance tradition that doesn't rely on notation is really essential for a composer. When you come up with an idea in your head and can immediately put that on paper (or into a computer), or play an instrument and subsequently transcribe it, or even play directly into a multi-track recording (with some pre-existing plan and intention), you're showing a much deeper understanding of what you're doing than someone just fiddling with a sequencer until the playback module gives affirmation that the result sounds "good." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUlyssesian 2,477 Posted September 27, 2016 Share Posted September 27, 2016 9 hours ago, Jay said: Say John Williams sits down at his piano, tries a few different things, then stumbles upon one he likes and writes it's notation down on a piece of paper with a pencil. Then say another composer sits down as his keyboard, tries a few different things, then stumbles upon one he likes. Since his computer had been recording everything he did, he has it output the notation of that section to a piece of paper. Whats the difference? The difference is that the other composer will never be John Williams. Spoiler I kid. I kid. Or do I. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jilal 569 Posted September 27, 2016 Share Posted September 27, 2016 I mentioned Broughton and Young earlier, @Gnome in Plaid. To get back to the DAW vs notation argument, I'd say both are ultimately restricted in some form. A DAW gives you a finite set of articulations to fiddle with (depending on whether you use keyswitches or not they may or may not be directly visible), an what will eventually be written on score pad is restricted by your knowledge of notation or skill translating your musical thoughts into it. A beginning composer may feel more freedom using a DAW as he may not yet be fluently familiar with all the different articulations of, say, string instruments. In that regard, computer composition can be pedagogical. It can be a catalyst of further development. I wonder ... if Williams would have been born some twenty years ago, would he prefer using a DAW? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted September 27, 2016 Share Posted September 27, 2016 I reckon that, considering his musical roots, and (what I speculate is) an interest in deriving musical material for composed pieces from recorded improvisations, he would utilize such technology with gusto. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted September 27, 2016 Share Posted September 27, 2016 He would be confused and baffled by such infernal machinations! After attempting to master it's use for a few hours he would be found on the grounds outside, hugging a tree and sobbing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karelm 2,912 Posted September 27, 2016 Share Posted September 27, 2016 On 9/26/2016 at 11:10 PM, Jilal said: I wonder ... if Williams would have been born some twenty years ago, would he prefer using a DAW? He would consider it voodoo that something that looks like a trashcan can simulate an entire orchestra. Actually, he pretty much answers this in the USC interview from a few years back. He mentions technology as being hard for him to grasp because unlike the current students he didn't grow up with it. I think we can infer from that had he been born recently he would have embraced it.… and probably kick all our asses with his skills with it given his characteristic work ethic. Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aviazn 273 Posted September 27, 2016 Share Posted September 27, 2016 17 hours ago, Stefancos said: Before the invention of the digital camera, digital filters etc it was much harder to make a really beautiful picture. Now every phone has a good camera, and you can use apps and software to tweak and edit a picture till it looks really great. Anyone can do this. It doesn't require any talent or ability. It's the same thing with music. People who aren't especially talented are able to assemble music that exceeds their actual capabilities. If I thought the highest purpose of music were a dick-measuring contest of "capabilities", I'd be on board with this. But to me, it's to hear and listen—and write—works that move others. While I admire technical ability, I love the fact that computers allow people who are less technically capable and trained to create more music and more photographs. I want more people to be able to express themselves in music just as easily as they can in words. So actually I agree—MIDI composers certainly aren't on the same technical level as a paper and pen composer. But so what? If we took this attitude towards literacy, the written language might still be reserved only for elite scholars at universities, and only professors could be poets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,480 Posted September 27, 2016 Share Posted September 27, 2016 Ok, first, put the key signature, then the tempo and add some notes like this... yes... When you finish, press the button "orchestrate". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted September 27, 2016 Share Posted September 27, 2016 Indeed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted September 27, 2016 Share Posted September 27, 2016 20 hours ago, Stefancos said: Agreed, but there are a lot of people who consider themselves a good photographer but wouldn't be able to take a decent snap without their digital aids. What your argument comes down to is orchestration and performance, not composing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted September 27, 2016 Share Posted September 27, 2016 Both are part of the creative process! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will 2,215 Posted September 28, 2016 Author Share Posted September 28, 2016 On 9/26/2016 at 2:08 PM, Jilal said: You watched that VSL interview? Didn't know you were getting into virtual instruments. AFAIK, Shore, Williams, Young, Broughton and McNeely are some of the only well-known examples of composers still writing with pencil and paper. No, no, I'm not really into virtual instruments at this time. I'd just watched a little of the video once when I was wondering how composers worked (obviously aside from pencil and paper). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will 2,215 Posted October 21, 2016 Author Share Posted October 21, 2016 How does Silvestri write? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 Started on paper, now uses sequencers, I think. Don't quote me on that. Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justaguy 68 Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 I know that Gordy Haab (SW:Battlefront/SW:TOR/SW:Kinect/Halo Wars 2) uses pen and paper. He has dedicated team of mock-up artists that help him present his ideas to producers utilizing virtual instruments. He has mentioned it in several interviews. http://cpa.ds.npr.org/wshu/audio/2016/10/GordyHaabMix.mp3 6:18 Not really a "film composer", but thought I will post this anyways, since I am his psycho-fan. Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,513 Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 There's a certain convenience, and immediacy to composing on a computer, but pen-and-paper has a certain bespoke quality, that indicates a personal touch. Having said that, three of the best damned scores of the 80s were (I think) composed, and performed on synthesisers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,683 Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 There's only one cue I can think of where I really felt that the computer had guided the composer too much (a cue from Badelt's The Time Machine) and the cue sounded odd as a result. Otherwise, I've been surprised to find out a few composers who work with pen and paper, or who work with computers, which implies that from a fairly surface level, it doesn't really matter. I'm a programmer, and I use an IDE, which is an environment which speeds up the writing process. However, it doesn't do that by creatively or logically doing anything, rather making the 'mechanical' side (typing and formatting) more efficient. Hence, it doesn't remove the need to know the language. There is a debate going on at the moment at work as to whether a professional coder should be able to work without these tools, and the overwhelming consensus (at least among those who have deadlines) is that you'd be an idiot not to use them. Some on Stack Overflow will preach that you should be able to write a program on a napkin. I say: why make life so hard for yourself? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted October 22, 2016 Share Posted October 22, 2016 Yes. I've said it before and hopefully won't say it again, but tools are tools. Today's tools are as legitimate and capable of aiding in the production of brilliance as the old ones are. It depends on the person using them, and what works best and most efficiently to facilitate their creativity. There is nothing more "bespoke" or "personal" about writing on paper than other methods. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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