The Spielberg/Williams Collaboration Part III CD & DVD (And Ultimate Collection CD / VINYL box set)

[Incanus 5,713]

The Dartmoor, 1912 track is the nearly 7 minute concert suite combining the opening of the first film cue with parts of the Homecoming (i.e. end credits). I spotted some revisions to the piece compared to the previous performances I have heard and in my opinion for the better. A gorgeous piece.  

[Luke Skywalker 1,792]

I always thought that hymn of the fallen dragged a little with two repettions of the same material....

[Incanus 5,713]

58 minutes ago, Luke Skywalker said:

I always thought that hymn of the fallen dragged a little with two repettions of the same material....

[Luke Skywalker 1,792]

lol sorry.

 

I like the longer version too....but always feared that some williams hatter could point to me "he just repeats the same music twice..."

[Thor 7,466]

2 hours ago, Luke Skywalker said:

I always thought that hymn of the fallen dragged a little with two repettions of the same material....

 

I agree, actually.

[Amer 2,080]

Any unboxing videos on youtube yet? I guess these should appear by the weekend. they are always fun to watch. 

[TownerFan 4,983]

The abridged Hymn to the Fallen was performed for the first time in 2014 at the annual Pops' Film Night. The piece was meant to accompany a montage of excerpts of WW2 films in commemoration of the 70th anniversary of the Normandy invasion. Williams trimmed several bars here and there (nothing substantial actually, mostly "come sopra" and repetitions) and changed a little bit the orchestration (there's an added bass line at the beginning under the snare drum rhythm). So the piece is substantially the same, but imho sounds less powerful than its original longer counterpart.

[Incanus 5,713]

Agreed. The slower build in half the effect of the piece for me.

[Miguel Andrade 1,260]

Joana Carneiro (former LA Phil assistant conductor) conducted the shorter version in 2015 at a concert in Lisbon, so my guess is that this is the current concert version of Hymn nowadays.

[Amer 2,080]

Backside artwork from Amazon.com:

 

 

[Luke Skywalker 1,792]

19 hours ago, Incanus said:

Agreed. The slower build in half the effect of the piece for me.

Well since we can hear it TWICE in the OST, its nice to have an alternate arrangement for it

[Bespin 8,480]

The goal of these re-recordings is certainly not to record the exact same thing that we already know!

[Incanus 5,713]

55 minutes ago, Bespin said:

The goal of these re-recordings is certainly not to record the exact same thing that we already know!

It depends entirely on what the composer wants. Some of the arrangements on this new disc are very close to the originals and differ only in their tempi interpretation. And it is also entirely possible to do a bad arrangement or re-recording as well.

[Amer 2,080]

Arghh!  Let me lament how I miss 'Young Indy's First Adventure' concert version from LAST CRUSADE on this set. It would have been a great way to start the 3rd album. Here is hoping if they do Volume 4 they include this along with suites from A.I., THE LOST WORLD & WAR OF THE WORLD.

[Bespin 8,480]

Mercy! Not again...

 

These re-recordings are not for the fans like us who already have all the soundtracks.

 

It's for hooking up new fans!

 

JWfans, stop lamenting that "your" track is not here, please. 

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

It's for people like us who enjoy hearing a new recording of a work they know by heart.

[Amer 2,080]

5 minutes ago, Bespin said:

Mercy! Not again...

 

These re-recordings are not for the fans like us who already have all the soundtracks.

 

It's for hooking up new fans!

 

JWfans, stop lamenting that "your" track is not here, please. 

 

I'am lamenting the lost opportunity for a Concert version which remains unrecorded. Same goes for LOST WORLD. These cues make for great  listening  experiences for both existing and new fans.

 

 

4 minutes ago, Stefancos said:

It's for people like us who enjoy hearing a new recording of a work they know by heart.

 

Right on! 

[Bespin 8,480]

This boxset will be a great introduction to anyone who wants to discover John Williams's film works.

 

It's really something important.

 

 

I compare it to the 1990 "Star Wars Trilogy" re-recording.

 

These releases really makes new fans. And they will be fans for life.

 

[Amer 2,080]

3 minutes ago, Bespin said:

This boxset will be a great introduction to anyone who wants to discover John Williams's film works.

 

It's really something important.

So what you are also saying is that you are not interested in getting this since you already have the originals? 

[Bespin 8,480]

On the contrary, I'm amazed by this release, like it was the first days of my love affair with John Williams. 

[Amer 2,080]

By the way, Jon Burlingame wrote the liner notes for this set (I asked). He might do a commercial write up for its release for Variety etc. 

[TownerFan 4,983]

I still think it's pretty amazing we're getting a Volume 3 of the Spielberg/Williams series. I almost gave up hope to see it done for real. So paint me giddy as a schoolboy  

18 hours ago, Miguel Andrade said:

Joana Carneiro (former LA Phil assistant conductor) conducted the shorter version in 2015 at a concert in Lisbon, so my guess is that this is the current concert version of Hymn nowadays.

 

I totally respect JW's right as an artist to rework/revise/rewrite any of his works for film or concert hall. It's his own music so he can do anything he feels it's good for it. But sometimes his choices are kind of puzzling when it comes to these things, as in this specific circumstance (another one is the trimmed version of "Luke and Leia" he now performs regularly). It surely speaks about his vision of the old saying "A work of art is something never finished, only abandoned", but also as another example of how much he sometimes scolds himself a tad too much for the music he wrote at an earlier time

[rough cut 1,714]

2 hours ago, Bespin said:

Mercy! Not again...

 

These re-recordings are not for the fans like us who already have all the soundtracks.

 

It's for hooking up new fans!

 

JWfans, stop lamenting that "your" track is not here, please. 

 

I think "Indy's first adventure" would've worked well with newcomers to JW.

 

 

[Jay 37,287]

For some reason iTunes hasn't added the Part III album as a separate item yet (which is a shame as we'd get a high res version of the cover art that way), but they have the box set version up twice:  Once for $16.99, and once for $19.99 that includes the DVD

 

https://itunes.apple.com/us/album/id1205679614

 

https://itunes.apple.com/us/album/id1205669744

[Foxfan 128]

On ‎2017‎/‎03‎/‎13 at 2:01 PM, Erik Woods said:

 

Yeah, not a fan of it personally.

 

-Erik-

 

On ‎2017‎/‎03‎/‎13 at 1:35 PM, Incanus said:

The Hymn to the Fallen is a curiously truncated version, played quite fast and omitting sections of the piece, running about 2 minutes shorter than the original one. Certainly not my favourite revision.

 

I'm not a fan of it either, and was quite taken aback when I first heard it with the Royal Scottish National Orchestra in Edinburgh in 2015, but I'll just have to get used it to reduce disappointment with all future concert performances of the piece. Doing the same with the War Horse suite that's not as poignant as The Homecoming.

[Jay 37,287]

I'm not really sure if its the best idea to combine the really uplifting, optimistic music for War Horse's opening with its more reflective finale music

[Incanus 5,713]

I think the new version on this disc is better than the versions I have heard previously on Youtube, especially the transition from the Dartmoor material to the end credits stuff. It might be a revision or perhaps just an issue with the performance and how JW handles it here but it is much better and less schmaltzy than before.

[curlytoot 97]

3 hours ago, Jay said:

For some reason iTunes hasn't added the Part III album as a separate item yet (which is a shame as we'd get a high res version of the cover art that way), but they have the box set version up twice:  Once for $16.99, and once for $19.99 that includes the DVD

 

https://itunes.apple.com/us/album/id1205679614

 

https://itunes.apple.com/us/album/id1205669744

 

Are we sure they will release Part III separately? I really hope so...

[Bespin 8,480]

Oh not again.... 

[Jay 37,287]

22 minutes ago, curlytoot said:

Are we sure they will release Part III separately? I really hope so...

 

Its already available separately on Amazon MP3; I've just been unable to find it on iTunes (US)

 

https://www.amazon.com//dp/B06W5581FJ/

[curlytoot 97]

Thanks. Saw about Amazon; hoping that tomorrow night it hits iTunes. 

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

Any torrents yet?

[Bespin 8,480]

What?

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

2 minutes ago, Bespin said:

What?

 

Sorry, didn't know you were deaf!

 

ANY TORRENTS YET!!!!

[ArtFraz 0]

3 hours ago, curlytoot said:

Thanks. Saw about Amazon; hoping that tomorrow night it hits iTunes. 

 

Does anyone know if the digital release is in HD? I am debating between getting the Amazon MP3 or the physical release. If they are the same file sizes, I would gladly pay $6 more for the physical release, but if the digital version is higher quality, then I will definitely get that.

[thx99 1,740]

Crap! Hadn't thought of that until now. The two sample videos have been in HD so that seems to indicate that the digital version may also be HD, versus the standard def DVD.

[ArtFraz 0]

Ha! I was actually asking about the music files and hadn't thought of the video being in HD! That would be another reason to order the digital. I ask about the music because sometimes the digital downloads are less compressed than their CD counterparts. I got the Ultimate Star Wars Soundtrack Collection last year and the digital files were twice the size as those from the CDs. You could definitely tell the difference between the two. I am wondering if the same will be true with this set or if the digital version is a straight rip of the mp3 files from the CDs? 

[Amer 2,080]

i was chatting with Jon Burlingame on the omissions of AI, LOST WORLD AND WOTW. Apparently these were intentionally left due to various reasons. What seems to be is purely on the composers own preferred choices. Burlingame is a fan of A.I. in particular and mentioned that he also missed having it. When the 2nd Boston Pops Album 'Williams on Williams ' came out, Burlingame was the one who asked Williams about AMAZING STORIES  not having included it at that time. And  Williams was sort of apologetic and wished that he had this conversation prior to his recording sessions a month back as he would have added it to the programme. 

 

If this set is a big success; We can hope for a fourth album in a few years. Does anyone remember how long did it take for the 2nd album to come out after he did the first one?

 

 

 

 

 

[crumbs 14,301]

There's gonna be heaps of material for Volume IV in just a few years...

• The Post
• Edgardo Mortara
• Ready Player One
• Indiana Jones V (Two concert suites?)
• War of the Worlds (Suite)
• The Lost World (Concert version)
• Artificial Intelligence (Two concert suites)
• Ivanka's Theme (Concert version)
• Stargazers from ET
• Amazing Stories

 

That's already a solid album. 

 

EDIT: Judging by @azahid's post, looks like the infamous 3 were intentionally omitted. Hmph.

 

Interesting that all three of these scores are available in complete form (legitimately and otherwise) and Williams very recently approved both TLW & AI as complete releases. Maybe, after thoroughly reviewing these scores in the last year or so, he simply decided he wasn't interested in revisiting them further for this compilation?

[zoltan_902 141]

OMG OMG OMG!!!!

 

The whole album just became available for streaming on Apple Music here in Australia. See in a bit peeps.

[Amer 2,080]

7 minutes ago, crumbs said:

There's gonna be heaps of material for Volume IV in just a few years...

• The Post
• Edgardo Mortara
• Ready Player One
• Indiana Jones V (Two concert suites?)
• War of the Worlds (Suite)
• The Lost World (Concert version)
• Artificial Intelligence (Two concert suites)
• Ivanka's Theme (Concert version)
• Stargazers from ET
• Amazing Stories

 

That's already a solid album. 

 

EDIT: Judging by @azahid's post, looks like the 'infamous 3' were intentionally omitted. Hmph. Interesting that all three of these scores are available in complete form (legitimately and otherwise).

 

Add to it encore's from LINCOLN, MINORITY REPORT, AMISTAD and LAST CRUSADE (Young Indy's first Adventure) 

[crumbs 14,301]

29 minutes ago, zoltan_902 said:

OMG OMG OMG!!!!

 

The whole album just became available for streaming on Apple Music here in Australia. See in a bit peeps.

 

AWESOME! I hadn't thought to check!

 

I get Apple Music totally free on my phone plan, so that's my driving music sorted for tomorrow!

[zoltan_902 141]

Just now, crumbs said:

 

AWESOME! I hadn't thought to check!

 

I get Apple Music totally free on my phone plan, so that's my driving music sorted for tomorrow!

 

It's curious; when I saw the album available, it was about 23:30, 16/03/2017, which in theory is 30 minutes early, if indeed streaming availability is supposed to coincide with purchasing.

 

Looks like you're in Oz as well. Happy listening.

[Thor 7,466]

1 hour ago, crumbs said:

There's gonna be heaps of material for Volume IV in just a few years...

• The Post
• Edgardo Mortara
• Ready Player One
• Indiana Jones V (Two concert suites?)
• War of the Worlds (Suite)
• The Lost World (Concert version)
• Artificial Intelligence (Two concert suites)
• Ivanka's Theme (Concert version)
• Stargazers from ET
• Amazing Stories

 

That's already a solid album. 

 

EDIT: Judging by @azahid's post, looks like the infamous 3 were intentionally omitted. Hmph.

 

And A TIMELESS CALL, dammit! Why do people keeping ignoring this? It's a pure Americana gem.

[crumbs 14,301]

And the newly revised The Face of Pan! 

[Jay 37,287]

Got my shipping notice from Amazon!

 

 

 

 

~

 

 

1 hour ago, crumbs said:

Ivanka's Theme (Concert version)

 

[Incanus 5,713]

1 hour ago, crumbs said:

Ivanka's Theme (Concert version)

 

That's Irina! 

[Jay 37,287]

Exactly!

[Incanus 5,713]

crumbs does it on purpose as he knows I'll be ready to pounce upon it every time!

[zoltan_902 141]

I just finished listening to the whole album;

 

My favourite track (despite it having had earlier release) is quite easily Dry Your Tears, Afrika.

 

I'm disappointed by Hymn to the Fallen - its truncated form here doesn't do it any favours, and I still think the performance and sound mix from the Saving Private Ryan original album is unbeatable.

 

I almost laughed listening to Viktor's Tale. It's the modified Signature Edition version, with some extra percussion added and the accordion removed. The clarinet performance thankfully avoids any 'squeaks' that various amateur performance I've heard seem to be plagued by. Emily Bernstein (who performed it on the original album, and who I hear sadly has passed away since then) performed the definitive version of this.

 

I'm glad that Marion's concert version theme now exists, it's nice and sweet;

 

Pleasing to hear also is the new recording of Escapades, as it almost equals my favourite recording of this (which incidentally was by a non-America, non JW conducted orchestra).

 

The other tracks - Mutt, BFG, Lincoln, Minority Report, Munich, and War Horse are all (of course) flawlessly performed and recorded, but I'm at a loss as to why such relatively recent works needed re-recording. I could write a list of pieces that I think would have been more deserving of a new album treatment like this, but in the end, I'm grateful that Spielberg and JW wentto the trouble of this one.

 

So, I just wish to express my deepest thanks to them for bringing this to us!