Kasey Kockroach 2,344 Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 3 minutes ago, Jay said: I think Mine Mission is my first INSTANTLY loved action track since... probably The A400 and Motorcyle Chase back in 2015 I knew I was gonna love this since the first forty seconds of This Title Makes Me Jurassic. It's almost Christopher Young-ish! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,359 Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 "Between The Devil and the Deep Blue Free" reminds me of his Star Trek scoring a bit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post crocodile 8,012 Posted June 8, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted June 8, 2018 15 hours ago, Nick Parker said: I know exactly whachu mean.I remember an interview with Benny Golson when he was invited to listen to a younger band; they had the berets, the glasses, the black clothes, the dirty instruments, everything. But when they played, it sounded like the most square, awkward music he'd heard! We're in an era where much of the content is produced by fanboys. While of course, it's natural to be inspired by things you connect with, there's a certain derivative simpleheadedness to much of what we hear and see over the last several years. People try so hard to capture their role models, but they tend to usually get only the clothes, not the spirit. Yeah, in the case of Giacchino, while I enjoy quite a few of his scores, there is very little in his output that isn't defined by reliable but done-to-death film music conventions. In order to make his mark, he'd need to bring something else to the table. John Powell understands that, Desplat definitely gets it too. There's a flavour they often bring to their work that isn't necessarily dictated by what's on screen but perhaps informed by their more eclectic taste and knowledge. An additional secret ingredient that makes the work stand out. Of the Giacchino scores, I'd say Jupiter Ascending has the most flavour. It's bit unwieldy and often cumbersome but at least it largely doesn't sound like an homage. It feels like its own thing. Karol Bilbo, Brónach and Incanus 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,359 Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 I think "Declaration of Indo-pendence" has the best action material of all the samples Reminds me a bit of the unreleased knife fight cue from MI5 mixed with some cool choir work Kasey Kockroach 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,344 Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 In terms of a follow-up score improving on its predecessor, this is an even wider gap than War for the Planet of the Apes VS Dawn. At least with those, War wasn't good to a point where Dawn was suddenly worthless. This? Yeah, not gonna bother putting on JW's album again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 Haven't you only listened to samples? Bilbo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,359 Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 1 hour ago, kaseykockroach said: Well I should be more specific and say samples Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,344 Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 And heard the whole end credits suite. That's all I need to know. I used to defend JW's score, but I'm laughing now knowing Giacchino can be this fun with dinosaur antics. Now I can just be honest with myself and say "yeah, nevermind, JW's score is like a 2-star effort. This is a solid 4-stars for Mike". Nothing that's gonna sweep the Academy or change how the film music world sees his work, but my craving for monster carnage concertos is now very much satisfied. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,359 Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 "To Free or Not To Free" sample sounds like the big wrap-up of the movie and its not very good, this is the kind of stuff Williams excels at and it seems limp here "The Neo Jurassic Age" features another nice new evolution of the main theme The "At Jurassic World's End Credits / Suite" sample has a version of the theme more like JW1 and less evolved, but still has some changes and sounds nice. I'm really looking forward to hearing the Suite, I have liked basically all of those MG has done since he started doing them 5 years ago Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Disco Stu 15,495 Posted June 8, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted June 8, 2018 Oy. Making pronouncements like that about an entire score based on iTunes samples is ridiculous. A. A. Ron, Chewy, Joaspp and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MedigoScan 324 Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 35 minutes ago, Jay said: What? I thought the indominus quote was in a track not on the album (the actual first track of the movie) you are right though that not much major stuff was missing, they skipped a lot of the slower scenes (jeff goldblums speech, recruiting owen, mills and maisie scenes, the aforementioned re-appearance of the JP1 theme) though they did skip some interesting indoraptor/horror stuff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,344 Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 Unless it turns out the album includes a hip-hop rap number, I think we'll be fine. Though I wouldn't mind if the song Walk the Dinosaur shows up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MedigoScan 324 Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 To Free or Not To Free is not the wrap-up scene (though it is the end of the tension basically) That'd be the next track I still like JW1's score somewhat, but this feels less like LOST redux Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,344 Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 I don't mind LOST redux as I enjoy that kind of atmosphere when in the right mood, but when I think monster movie music, this is more what I had in mind than anything JW1 offered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,359 Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 I didn't hear anything that reminded me of LOST Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MedigoScan 324 Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 also some neat stuff (and puns) was left from the JW1 album yeah (divorce of nature, come hell or high slaughter, five is the scariest number, your alpha is showing) it were these tracks that reminded me of LOST, actually Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,344 Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 I'm baffled as to why JW1's album left all that off in favor of bonus source music, but what the hey, that mistake certainly wasn't repeated here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,359 Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 The JW1 OST is probably the worst assembled OST album in Giacchino's filmography. Some baffling cue choices there. The recording session leak really changed my opinion on the whole score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmarps 217 Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 Just got back from the movie. As far as quoting original JW Themes goes, I think Giacchino quoted them just the right amount of times. Certain quotes did give me goosebumps. The best quote of the original Jurassic Park theme came around the middle of the movie, reharmonised and wrapped around the accompaniment, although I can’t remember exactly what was happening on screen at the time. If anyone can deduce which track it is on the OST from my very vague description I’d be very pleased Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,012 Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 4 minutes ago, tmarps said: Just got back from the movie. As far as quoting original JW Themes goes, I think Giacchino quoted them just the right amount of times. Certain quotes did give me goosebumps. The best quote of the original Jurassic Park theme came around the middle of the movie, reharmonised and wrapped around the accompaniment, although I can’t remember exactly what was happening on screen at the time. If anyone can deduce which track it is on the OST from my very vague description I’d be very pleased Are you referring to the scene when Spoiler we see the Brachiosaurus dies in the distance and we hear a "mournful" and troubled rendition of the JP theme? Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MedigoScan 324 Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 that would either be Volcano to Death or unreleased material then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmarps 217 Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 10 minutes ago, crocodile said: Are you referring to the scene when Reveal hidden contents we see the Brachiosaurus dies in the distance and we hear a "mournful" and troubled rendition of the JP theme? Karol I don’t think so, although I think it wasn’t too far after that. Unless it was... damn I wish I payed more attention to what was going on rather than listening to the score. When I am a little less busy I’ll try and listen to some of the soundtrack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MedigoScan 324 Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 BTW I was wrong Pillow Talk is somehow the music track that plays before the 'pillow scene' happens (the actual scene is covered by the next track on the album) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted June 9, 2018 Share Posted June 9, 2018 Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Parker 3,040 Posted June 9, 2018 Share Posted June 9, 2018 That usually comes after pillow talk, yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,344 Posted June 9, 2018 Share Posted June 9, 2018 I really hope this isn't a case like Coco where some score tracks were left off the CD release, in this case the two added tracks. Though if that turns out to be the case, I won't mind buying the digital release. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted June 9, 2018 Share Posted June 9, 2018 It's strange that happened with Coco, maybe they excised those two cues in place of songs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,344 Posted June 9, 2018 Share Posted June 9, 2018 Perhaps Giacchino got cold feet and felt those cues were unnecessary? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MedigoScan 324 Posted June 9, 2018 Share Posted June 9, 2018 its not like the soundtrack exceeds 80 minutes with those tracks though they do sound like 2 tracks you can miss out on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smaug The Iron 515 Posted June 9, 2018 Share Posted June 9, 2018 Where can I find this samples? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MedigoScan 324 Posted June 9, 2018 Share Posted June 9, 2018 Itunes, check a page back for the link Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smaug The Iron 515 Posted June 9, 2018 Share Posted June 9, 2018 I find the link to iTunes but I did not find the samples. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo 3,709 Posted June 9, 2018 Share Posted June 9, 2018 13 hours ago, Disco Stu said: Oy. Making pronouncements like that about an entire score based on iTunes samples is ridiculous. It's strange alright. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,359 Posted June 9, 2018 Share Posted June 9, 2018 4 hours ago, Smaug the iron said: I find the link to iTunes but I did not find the samples. You have to actually install the iTunes program, they don't play from the web page. If you're on an android phone and not a computer, I dunno if it's possible. I assume on an Apple phone they'd play in the iTunes app. Smaug The Iron 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,359 Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 Confirmed, the CD only has 24 tracks. So "Double Cross to Bear" and "Gyro Can You Go?" remain digital-version-only exclusives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,344 Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 Darn, that's a shame. Ah well, we'll see if it affects the listening at all. In fact, now that I think about it, I wouldn't be surprised if Giacchino decided those cues were unnecessary (since that pushes the score to 79ish minutes!), but threw them into the digital release just in case people wanted them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MedigoScan 324 Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 shoulda given us more of the horror music from the mansion instead (allthough the gyrosphere scene was pretty good) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,344 Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 Crazy thing is, this will probably be the least problematic Jurassic OST we've ever had! No baffling music edits! No source music! No Randy Newman! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 Sadly, still Giacchino. Not Mr. Big 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,344 Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 Big hat! No cattle! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post leeallen01 2,136 Posted June 13, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted June 13, 2018 Always good to see actors recognising the composer and their score. Tiburon, Arpy and John 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 Next John Williams 1000% confirmed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,344 Posted June 14, 2018 Share Posted June 14, 2018 But who's the next Jerry Goldsmith!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted June 14, 2018 Share Posted June 14, 2018 James Newton Howard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,344 Posted June 14, 2018 Share Posted June 14, 2018 7 minutes ago, gkgyver said: James Newton Howard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,359 Posted June 14, 2018 Share Posted June 14, 2018 Now up for sale in countries where it's already Friday https://itunes.apple.com/nz/album/1391415975https://itunes.apple.com/au/album/1391415975 etc Here's my initial impressions of the album after first listen Overall I guess it's pretty good, I suppose I like it more than the first score (certainly more than the first OST album). I think he does some things much better than the first score, but other things not as well. The strongest part of the album is definitely the end, like the last third maybe. Some of the percussion-based action material towards the end is fresh and exciting. I really liked the parts of the score where he takes his JW1 themes and reworks them for the new score. Owen's Raptor Squad theme especially sounds great. Most of the new themes are not very in-your-face, and didn't leave much of a strong impression on me at all. Subsequent listens should help. Smaug The Iron and leeallen01 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Jay 37,359 Posted June 14, 2018 Share Posted June 14, 2018 As far as returning themes go, the main Jurassic Park theme only returns in cameos - the concert arrangement intro appears in "The Theropod Preservation Society" and "To Free or Not to Free", and the B section of the theme appears in "Nostalgia-Saurus". The actual main part of the main theme DOES appear in "Volcano to Death" in a sad, defeated way, but it's cut off before finishing the entire theme. The first 3 notes of the B section also appear in the End Credits track at the end of the same arrangement of the main Jurassic World theme that was heard in "This Park Is Closed" from the first Jurassic World album. The Adventure Theme gets a big runthrough in the first minute of "At Jurassic World's End Credits / Suite", and that's it. No Carnivore theme. Returning from the first Jurassic World score, his Main Theme returns in 6 tracks (2, 4, 9, 24, 25, 26), the Owen's Raptor Squad theme returns 19, 20, and 24, and the Indominous Rex theme is in tracks 1 and 23 (This Title Makes Me Jurassic and Declaration of Indo-Pendence). The Family Theme and Hoskins/In-Gen theme don't return at all. New themes: The new main theme (Fallen Kingdom Theme?) is introduced at the end of the first track [2:27-end] and gets a big concert arrangement in the Suite from 2:04-5:18 and then again from 8:28-end. There's a 16 note quiet theme in "The Theropod Preservation Society" [0:36-1:07] and "Operation Blue Blood" [0:46-end] that gets a spot in the Suite from 5:18-6:40. There's a 16 note march-like theme that appears in "March of the Wheatley Cavalcade" from 0:15-0:35 and then shows up in the Suite from 6:40-7:45. There's an ominous theme that opens "Go With the Pyroclastic Flow" [0:00-0:14] and also appears in the Suite from 7:45-8:08 There's also a twinkly theme that appears interspersed with the main theme in the suite (ie 3:20-3:40 and 4:11-4:31 during the first part and 8:08-8:28 and 9:00-9:20) during the second part)... but I don't know if this is truly a separate theme or just a B-section of the new main theme. There's probably more new stuff I haven't unpacked yet. I haven't seen the film so have no idea what any of the themes could represent. The suite is a pretty damn great track, I wish it appeared in its own track not connected to the first 2 minutes of old theme retreads, though. leeallen01 and Smaug The Iron 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jay 37,359 Posted June 14, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted June 14, 2018 Here's a breakdown of the suite 0:00-1:02 = The Adventure Theme from Williams' Jurassic Park score, basically the same as the standard concert arrangement. 1:02-2:04 = The Main Theme from Giacchino's first Jurassic World Score, basically the same as "The Park Is Closed" from the first OST (including Williams theme partial cameo at the end) 2:04-3:20 = New Theme #1 (Fallen Kingdom Theme?), the one introduced at the end of "This Title Makes Me Jurassic" and then appears in "Nostalgia-Saurus", "Wilting Iris", "Thus Begins The Indo-Rapture", "You Can Be So Hard-Headed", "Between the Devil and the Deep Blue Free", "World's Worst Bedtime Storyteller", "Declaration of Indo-Pendence" and "The Neo-Jurassic Age" 3:20-3:40 = B Section of the Fallen Kingdom Theme, which only appears in the main score in "World's Worst Bedtime Storyteller" and "The Neo-Jurassic Age" 3:40-4:11 = Fallen Kingdom Theme 4:11-4:31 = Fallen Kingdom Theme B Section 4:31-5:18 = Fallen Kingdom Theme 5:18-6:40 = New Theme #2 (For now I'll call it the Quiet Theme), also heard in "The Theropod Preservation Society", "Volcano to Death", "Operation Blue Blood", and "To Free or Not to Free". 6:40-7:45 = New Theme #3 (For now I'll call it the March Theme), also heard in "March of the Wheatley Cavalcade" and "Raiders of the Lost Isla Nublar" 7:45-8:08 = non-thematic bridging material that was re-used in "Go With the Pyroclastic Flow" 8:08-8:28 = Fallen Kingdom Theme B Section 8:28-9:00 = Fallen Kingdom Theme 9:00-9:20 = Fallen Kingdom Theme B Section 9:20-9:57 = Fallen Kingdom Theme 9:57-10:35 = non-thematic bridging material that was re-used in "This Title Makes Me Jurassic" 10:35-end = Fallen Kingdom Theme Again I haven't seen the film so don't know what these themes represent. Smaug The Iron, leeallen01, Joaspp and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,344 Posted June 14, 2018 Share Posted June 14, 2018 How's the sound quality/recording? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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