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The Music Of The Hobbit Films - Doug Adams' Book confirmed by Howard Shore

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7 minutes ago, SafeUnderHill said:

There are some snippets of music on the OSTs that are not on the SE that are only noticeable here as we pick the the differences in such detail, like the few seconds of held notes in Moon Runes (correct me if this example is wrong). It seems strange to me that Shore would make such oddly specific requests, given how precious his time is.

The Moon Runes on the regular OST is a different version with a differently orchestrated ending than the version on the Special Edition, which also contains more music. But the regular edition version is used in the film.

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Wait, someone was supposed to pay me for that!? Rats!   Contracts -- at least in my situation -- are not necessarily given expiration dates. Not that I think it would matter in this case. Th

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Those of us who were close to the process don't avoid taking about it because of some deep, dark secret. We're just being polite and deferring to Howard. If he wants to go deeper into his decision-mak

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That's not the actual cover. I always use temp covers when I write. Not sure why. It helps with mood, I guess.   And yes, the book follows the complete Extended Scores ... and in the order a

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12 minutes ago, SafeUnderHill said:

There are some snippets of music on the OSTs that are not on the SE that are only noticeable here as we pick the the differences in such detail, like the few seconds of held notes in Moon Runes (correct me if this example is wrong). It seems strange to me that Shore would make such oddly specific requests, given how precious his time is.

 

Well, I dunno what to tell you... he definitely made all those decisions.

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Not, it covers the material that makes up the 2 films currently called blah blah, which ended up being 3 films with different names

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Maybe be ended up signing another one when they moved to 3 films?

 

In any case, I had hoped this thread had been updated for good reason. Imagine my disappointment.

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About the production? Isn't it all out there at this point? The DOS documentary did a good job of laying it all out. If you're looking for conspiratorial secrets, I'm afraid none exist. 

 

About this music? You're gonna have to wait on that one! (But hopefully not long.) ;)

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On 1/8/2017 at 10:22 PM, Kühni said:

 

Sounds like something a conspirational secretist would say. ;)

 

I found the DoS documentary very enlightening, albeit a bit disheartening. I am aware that some of the behind-the-scenes discussions and decisions couldn't be shown (and perhaps even shouldn't); I am still curious about HS's decision to have somebody else co-orchestrate and conduct DoS and TaBA, mainly if that came about solely because of the less-than-ideal situation with AUJ, or if the three-picture extension just meant it would become too burdensome for him, what with the team in NZ, him in NY and/or London. Perhaps a combination of both, but I'll acknowledge that an answer on that would have no bearing on the larger picture or my enjoyment of the music. Just pure, old curiosity (in the non-nosey way, though that might be hard to believe), because this went against Shore's evident striving to keep as much of his Middle-earth work consistent as possible. 

 

And the other query I have is whether HS was ever approached on the writing of the songs for The Hobbit trilogy. Despite the considerable strength of The Last Goodbye, I will always consider this a massive wasted opportunity.

 

Hope all is well in IL. My relatives told me you were socked with quite a bit of snow in December...

 

Those of us who were close to the process don't avoid taking about it because of some deep, dark secret. We're just being polite and deferring to Howard. If he wants to go deeper into his decision-making process, that's his business not ours. 

 

In truth, there was no single event that prompted the decision anyway. The nutshell version is that the timing just didn't work out. Shore needed to be focused on composing, and there simply wasn't time to do this while tending to the lengthy recording and rewriting process. In this sense, the DOS doc really says it all. You've all heard how crazy these postproduction schedules were. They really, really were! The official channels aren't playing it up for drama. Even the liner notes were hard to pull off. (And I know, a multi-million dollar film production shouldn't be worried about the dork doing the liner notes anyway ... I'm just saying!) There was one time in mid-October of 2014 when I was having a late dinner with Howard. We kind of hung out until the wee hours chatting, then -- sometime well after midnight -- he politely got up and said, "Well, I need to go compose more Dol Guldur." I responded, "Yeah, I need to write something about it." We both laughed because he was composing music for unfinished scenes and I was trying to analyze unfinished music. We always fixed things up in revisions, but that was how things worked. A lot of the first draft material was pretty speculative. 

 

 

But again, I'm probably telling you things you already know.

 

Oh and yeah ... there was some discussion of Howard working on the song for the third Hobbit film. He actually was involved in a sort of supervisory capacity, and even had a song credit in the album notes for a little while. But he ultimately decided that his work wasn't worthy of a credit, and asked that they not award him one. (This is not implying that he ghostwrote the song or anything. The people credited on the album *are* the people who created this song. He just sort of checked in and leant an ear from time to time.) Again, I think the schedule just didn't allow anything more significant. Too much overlap in schedules. 

 

And as for Chicago weather .... the less said the better this time of year. I've been looking for my patio furniture most of the afternoon thank to gale force winds. Blech!

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5 hours ago, Doug Adams said:

We both laughed because he was composing music for unfinished scenes and I was trying to analyze unfinished music. We always fixed things up in revisions, but that was how things worked. A lot of the first draft material was pretty speculative. 

 

But again, I'm probably telling you things you already know.

 

That was news to me, actually. Cool anecdote. Thanks for that! :)

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Well I always thought parts of The Last Goodbye to be reminiscent of The Breaking of the Fellowship (namely the 'over hill...' bit), so it sort of makes sense. Didn't Boyd say something about the writing being inspired by Shore's music to some extent?

 

They should have released these films every two years, it would have been best for all parties. I know it worked with LOTR but that was lightning in a bottle stuff (it also benefitted enormously from having a lengthy pre-production period with no major changes in crew).

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Shore or not, I don't much care for that song. It's too obviously trying to get us to feel sentimental and teary eyed about this being the last PJ Middle-earth film. 

 

A long journey that started in 1999 finally coming to a close *sniff* 

 

Too calculated. Kinda like the Hobbit films.

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Apparently the new album features a song called "Galway Girl".

 

If it's the Steve Earl song then I would like to hasten the apocalypse 

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