Popular Post Thor 7,477 Posted December 6, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted December 6, 2016 I was just sent an old newspaper clipping from 1968 (from a fellow Norwegian who might be lurking here) which says that Williams wrote a song for his then-mother-in-law Lurene Tuttle, a song that was featured in her TV show JULIA (1968-1971). I've been unable to find anything in terms of video or music files online, so any help appreciated in tracking down this obscure Williams song. The series' theme and score was otherwise (mostly) by Elmer Bernstein. Once, Incanus, Cerebral Cortex and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,477 Posted December 7, 2016 Author Share Posted December 7, 2016 I've found a handful of season 1 episodes on Dailymotion, but I couldn't find the Williams song there. My guess is that it was featured in the last episode of season 2 (episode 30: "Bunny Hug"), as that is where Tuttle's character falls in love and marries before she leaves the series. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryant Burnette 654 Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 I hope you find it! I'd love to hear it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smeltington 1,436 Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 Does the article mention whether Williams wrote the lyrics himself? There's really nothing on Google about this song... I only found this mention, which I'm guessing is also the one you saw: "Lovely Lurene" is the title of a song dedicated to Lurene Tuttle, featured in "Julia." The song was written by Miss Tuttle's son-in-law, composer Johnny Williams . . . It seems strange that the show would use a song titled after one of the actors, rather than the character she was playing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,310 Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 I doubt Williams wrote the lyrics, but you never know! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,477 Posted December 7, 2016 Author Share Posted December 7, 2016 No mention of the lyrics. I -- too -- doubt Williams wrote it. Has he every written proper lyrics (beyond 'vocalizations' a la "Duel of the Fates" etc?). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,310 Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 I don't believe so... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 He wrote the lyrics for Dr. Dre's Bitches Ain't Shit! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryant Burnette 654 Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 Didn't he write the lyrics for the songs in Rosewood? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,310 Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 Well, look at that http://www.jw-collection.de/songs/rosewood1.htm http://www.jw-collection.de/songs/rosewood2.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,477 Posted December 7, 2016 Author Share Posted December 7, 2016 Interesting, I wasn't aware that he had written the lyrics for the ROSEWOOD spirituals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filmmusic 1,823 Posted December 8, 2016 Share Posted December 8, 2016 Thank you Thor for this information. Well, it would be helpful to know which episode, since I found the complete series (except 3 episodes from Season 2). mayyybe it could be in one of season's 3 episodes where the character of Lurene Tuttle gets married and Diahann Carroll sings it to her? Edited: By the way, here are the 14 episodes from season 1 which you obviously found: http://www.dailymotion.com/y2jin99 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,310 Posted December 8, 2016 Share Posted December 8, 2016 18 minutes ago, filmmusic said: Thank you Thor for this information. Well, it would be helpful to know which episode, since I found the complete series (except 3 episodes from Season 2). mayyybe it could be in one of season's 3 episodes where the character of Lurene Tuttle gets married and Diahann Carroll sings it to her? 19 hours ago, Thor said: I've found a handful of season 1 episodes on Dailymotion, but I couldn't find the Williams song there. My guess is that it was featured in the last episode of season 2 (episode 30: "Bunny Hug"), as that is where Tuttle's character falls in love and marries before she leaves the series. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filmmusic 1,823 Posted December 8, 2016 Share Posted December 8, 2016 Oh, sorry, didn't see that. But she gets married in season 3 episode 4. (anyway, I'll try to get those 2 episodes) edit: Unfortunately it's in neither of these 2. unless.. when the clipping says "song", the term was used freely and it really meant a music theme, like a song without words, possibly used as source music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandor 796 Posted December 8, 2016 Share Posted December 8, 2016 8 hours ago, Thor said: Interesting, I wasn't aware that he had written the lyrics for the ROSEWOOD spirituals. I think he also wrote the lyrics to the Immolation choral music from Schindler's List. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,477 Posted December 8, 2016 Author Share Posted December 8, 2016 6 hours ago, filmmusic said: Oh, sorry, didn't see that. But she gets married in season 3 episode 4. You're right, she marries and leaves at the start of season 3 (my bad!), but I think it's the "Bunny Hug" episode she's hooked up with the guy. In any case, my guess is it's either of those (the hook-up episode or the marriage episode). It's weird, however, that the article is seemingly from 1968, speaking as if the song has already been featured. Let me know if you find any footage of this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,713 Posted December 8, 2016 Share Posted December 8, 2016 It would be great if we could unearth this small curio from JW's past. 3 hours ago, Sandor said: I think he also wrote the lyrics to the Immolation choral music from Schindler's List. Also the Christmas at Hogwarts/Cast a Christmas Spell for HPPS. Once 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filmmusic 1,823 Posted December 8, 2016 Share Posted December 8, 2016 42 minutes ago, Thor said: You're right, she marries and leaves at the start of season 3 (my bad!), but I think it's the "Bunny Hug" episode she's hooked up with the guy. In any case, my guess is it's either of those (the hook-up episode or the marriage episode). It's weird, however, that the article is seemingly from 1968, speaking as if the song has already been featured. Let me know if you find any footage of this. Checked 2 more episodes that had songs, but nothing.. One had the song "Just in time" (I hadn't ever heard it) and the other another one that I don't know of, but it doesn't seem to be that "Lovely Lurene".. By the way, the article I see is from April 1969: https://www.newspapers.com/newspage/98852657/ So maybe we should check all the episodes up until then? (they are only from season 1. Season 2 started in September of 1969) You said you checked all the episodes in that dailymotion site? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,477 Posted December 8, 2016 Author Share Posted December 8, 2016 I just skimmed through the Dailymotion episodes; I haven't seen them in full. But the April-69 date at least gives us a cut-off point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smeltington 1,436 Posted December 8, 2016 Share Posted December 8, 2016 4 hours ago, Incanus said: Also the Christmas at Hogwarts/Cast a Christmas Spell for HPPS. Where did you get that info? Do you say that because no one is credited with lyrics in the CD liner notes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,310 Posted December 8, 2016 Share Posted December 8, 2016 See here: http://www.jw-collection.de/songs/songs_index.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smeltington 1,436 Posted December 8, 2016 Share Posted December 8, 2016 Thanks, Jay! But that's a fan site, isn't it? I'm still curious where that information comes from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 8, 2016 Share Posted December 8, 2016 This is a fansite too.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filmmusic 1,823 Posted December 8, 2016 Share Posted December 8, 2016 I checked 10 more episodes from season 1 and nothing except a lullaby in african or something. I'll check the rest in a couple of hours, but I don't have access to episode 4 from the series/ I'm starting to think maybe it was indeed a song without words, or maybe an instrumental version of a song featured briefly as source music? Eg in one episode Julia dances with someone in the tune of something that could be a song originally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,477 Posted December 8, 2016 Author Share Posted December 8, 2016 Well, if it fizzles out into that, that's kinda an anti-climax. But thanks for searching the videos, Konstantinos. filmmusic 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smeltington 1,436 Posted December 8, 2016 Share Posted December 8, 2016 If the song does have words, it would be awfully "meta" for a character on the show to sing it, considering that Lurene is the actress's name and not the name of a character in the show. Which makes it very plausible that it could be an instrumental jazz tune etc., or at least something heard in the background and not really acknowledged. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,477 Posted December 8, 2016 Author Share Posted December 8, 2016 2 minutes ago, Smeltington said: If the song does have words, it would be awfully "meta" for a character on the show to sing it, considering that Lurene is the actress's name and not the name of a character in the show. Which makes it very plausible that it could be an instrumental jazz tune etc., or at least something heard in the background and not really acknowledged. Perhaps a bit like "Tuesday's Theme", which Williams wrote for actress Tuesday Weld -- "inspired" by her and her role in BACHELOR FLAT (although it doesn't appear in the movie). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smeltington 1,436 Posted December 8, 2016 Share Posted December 8, 2016 Interesting, where was that one released? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,477 Posted December 8, 2016 Author Share Posted December 8, 2016 4 minutes ago, Smeltington said: Interesting, where was that one released? Only on a single, but Andre Previn recorded a version too: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,480 Posted December 8, 2016 Share Posted December 8, 2016 My own restoration of Tuesday's Theme recorded by Williams on a single in 1962. https://soundcloud.com/les-bons-moments-3/johnny-williams-tuesdays-theme-1962 Released on a CD for the first time in 2015. Rhythm in Motion/So Nice! with Johnny Desmond (2015, Fresh Sound Records, BMCD 858, Compilation) Music arranged and conducted by Johnny Williams; Featuring Johnny Williams (p); Three Bonus tracks composed and performed by Johnny Williams: Tuesday's Theme, The Black Knight, Augie's Great Piano. Bryant Burnette 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filmmusic 1,823 Posted December 9, 2016 Share Posted December 9, 2016 Ok, I checked the remaining episodes of season 1 (except 4 which I can't find and those in dailymotion that Thor checked) and there's nothing. Maybe it's indeed a source instrumental cue. In all those episodes I checked, there were 2 slow dances of a couple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Once 604 Posted December 9, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted December 9, 2016 11 hours ago, Smeltington said: Where did you get that info? Do you say that because no one is credited with lyrics in the CD liner notes? "The recording studio phase of the work is not a place for improvisation. But Williams delights in spontaneous impulse. This time he’s concerned about a brief scene in which three ghosts sing a Christmas carol. This has been set up to “Deck the Halls,” but Williams is not happy with this choice, even though it is a secular carol chosen to avoid giving offense to any religious group. “Why should there be anything from the Muggles world at Hogwarts?” he asked. So at night, he wrote a little tune for a new carol, and then he amused himself by producing the lyrics too." Source Incanus, Smeltington and Jay 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,477 Posted December 9, 2016 Author Share Posted December 9, 2016 8 hours ago, filmmusic said: Ok, I checked the remaining episodes of season 1 (except 4 which I can't find and those in dailymotion that Thor checked) and there's nothing. Maybe it's indeed a source instrumental cue. In all those episodes I checked, there were 2 slow dances of a couple. Bummer. I'll re-check the Dailymotion ones when I get the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smeltington 1,436 Posted December 9, 2016 Share Posted December 9, 2016 12 hours ago, Once said: "The recording studio phase of the work is not a place for improvisation. But Williams delights in spontaneous impulse. This time he’s concerned about a brief scene in which three ghosts sing a Christmas carol. This has been set up to “Deck the Halls,” but Williams is not happy with this choice, even though it is a secular carol chosen to avoid giving offense to any religious group. “Why should there be anything from the Muggles world at Hogwarts?” he asked. So at night, he wrote a little tune for a new carol, and then he amused himself by producing the lyrics too." Source Amazing!! I love Christmas Spell but I had never read that before. Thanks for digging up the link Once 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,713 Posted December 9, 2016 Share Posted December 9, 2016 3 minutes ago, Smeltington said: Amazing!! I love Christmas Spell but I had never read that before. Thanks for digging up the link You could have also read my analysis on the score. It's all there. Smeltington 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,477 Posted December 9, 2016 Author Share Posted December 9, 2016 He's a regular Bernie Taupin, that Williams! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,713 Posted December 9, 2016 Share Posted December 9, 2016 3 minutes ago, Thor said: He's a regular Bernie Taupin, that Williams! Yeah what a lyricist the world lost when he went on to compose music as a profession. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smeltington 1,436 Posted December 9, 2016 Share Posted December 9, 2016 I just read the rest of the article, and I rofled when I got to the mention of "angel baby" Once 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Once 604 Posted December 9, 2016 Share Posted December 9, 2016 It's one of my favourite Williams articles. It's nice that the writer actually attended a session, it gives a better inside to the process and the amount of work put into it. Williams would never bring up the writing of the carol or his use of "angel baby" by himself in an interview. Smeltington 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,310 Posted December 9, 2016 Share Posted December 9, 2016 Totally agreed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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