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SPOILER TALK: Rogue One by Gareth Edwards

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2 minutes ago, Thor said:

I like the asexuality of the movie. It's better than some fake, veiled Hollywood 'make-out' stuff that is all PC. Then rather go completely platonic and serious instead.

 

Actually the neutered, platonic stuff that's unfolding right now is what's really PC.

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But that's what a man in the movies does. He grabs his woman and makes love to her, even if they're about to die.

 

But because Disney doesn't want to upset SJWs who think "man with woman equals oppression", it's afraid to show people being human.

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5 minutes ago, Daniel Clamp said:

But that's what a man in the movies does. He grabs his woman and makes love to her, even if they're about to die.

 

But that presupposes that there is a love interest to begin with. In this case, it was laid out more as a friendship; or at most a tragedy from a relationship that was never allowed to blossom. I think it's poetic, in a way. As I said, I would rather have a loveless film than one that presents 'glossy' Disney PC love scenes (I prefer my love more real and gritty).

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I like seeing people in movies fancy each other. It's what human beings do.

1 minute ago, Luke Skywalker said:

Star wars never had explícitamente sex. I think George Lucas mandated that. Not many..if any...sex scenes in the adult novels...

 

I'm not referring to sex scenes per se, rather implied sexuality or overt attraction between characters.

 

Jay reckons Finn had a twinkle in his eye for Rey, but I didn't buy it. It felt like his compliant Stormtrooper training somehow deprived him of any any sexual aggression, resulting in just a desire for friendly, platonic relations for Rey.

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I was praying to papa Palpatine that they wouldn't have some forced romantic angle with the two main characters of Jyn and Cassian. The best thing they did between them was not have it turn romantic. I was so bloody relieved when they just hugged on the beach before dying together. I was cringing, wishing that they didn't kiss, and thankfully they didn't. 

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37 minutes ago, Daniel Clamp said:

I was like "Kiss her!... KISSSSS HERRRR!"

Would've felt forced and unnatural, as they never showed any romantic interest to each other throughout the movie. Cassian even had plans of killing Jyn's father, and you expect her to forget that? Facing death doesn't automatically make everyone seek sexual gratification.

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1 hour ago, Daniel Clamp said:

But that's what a man in the movies does. He grabs his woman and makes love to her, even if they're about to die.

 

But because Disney doesn't want to upset SJWs who think "man with woman equals oppression", it's afraid to show people being human.

 

There's somebody who's afraid here, but it's not Disney execs or "SJWs."

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Does anyone remember what names Jyn went through when she was looking for the plans in the Imperial Archives? If I recall correctly, there were some intriguing ones there, and I was suspecting that they might not be completely random, but, rather, they could be references to other past events and missions. The names didn't ring any bells for me, but it could be because I am not that well-acquainted with the canon material outside of the main movies.

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Do people actually watch movies and TV shows before they run to the internet to complain (cry) about them?

 

I mean holy crap there's discussion here that Finn wasn't sexually attracted to Rey? WTF??? And what does that have to do with this movie?

 

Hands up all those who thought throughout "were are all these Bothans who are going to die?"!

 

I'm going back to using the internet for what it was designed for - porn. 

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I do know what has to do with this movie and that is the Journal of the Whills.

 

I found it very interesting the Whills have finally been addressed in a movie.  It really makes me wonder since it was established here that it will be brought up by Luke in VIII or IX without too much of a WTF moment.

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2 hours ago, Biodome said:

Would've felt forced and unnatural, as they never showed any romantic interest to each other throughout the movie. Cassian even had plans of killing Jyn's father, and you expect her to forget that? Facing death doesn't automatically make everyone seek sexual gratification.

 

Not if the makers charged up their attraction throughout the rest of the movie and made his orders part of the dilemma. I'm not sure if that's allowed in SW anymore however. Seems more like a ST thing where Spock wants to bone Uhura.

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16 minutes ago, Daniel Clamp said:

Back in the olden days, sex and romance wasn't taboo in a galaxy far, far away. Now it's run by a bunch of prudes!

Why do you assume that they didn't include sex because of a PC/SJW reason?

The movie is not in the same genre as the other Star Wars movies. It's not about the space opera, it's about cruel civil war. Love wouldn't be as important here, and it would detract from the main plot. The way the characters and plot were constructed didn't allow for a reasonable romantic scene, and you insisting that it was some sort of SJW conspiracy sounds unfounded and paranoic.

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1 hour ago, FC4L said:

Hands up all those who thought throughout "were are all these Bothans who are going to die?"!

 

Zero. Bothans died to get the plans to the Death Star II. 

 

Rogue One is about getting the plans for the first Death Star. 

 

There's a leaked script going around for the upcoming unannounced movie about the Bothans getting the plans for the second Death Star called Rogue Two okay thanks K bye. 

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So just came back from the film and I liked it.

 

Some notes:

Odd opening. I knew there would be no opening crawl (which I'm fine with), but starting with the misleading opening phrase and the score blasting; it's hard not to feel jarred right off the bat. They should have just started with none of that and the music bleeding in with the opening shot, as with most films.

 

The first act is rushed, sure, but I really enjoyed the world-building done with Jedha, clearly modelled after Jerusalem as a centre of faith for the Force. Spending more time there to help flesh out the narrative could have been more interesting.

 

Forest Whitaker's character is dumb. Sounds dumb and clearly has little function aside from plot-service. I guess that goes for pretty much all the characters really. They're a likeable bunch, but don't have much going in the way of development. Jyn has what most resembles an arc, and while you're rooting for her, you're not as invested as you are with Rey. 

 

This is a nice looking film! And what it has over TFA, is its impressive action sequences. Namely that killer space battle in the end with the destruction of the Star Destroyers. Star Wars back in space in a proper set-piece should always be welcomed. The palm-tree battle also has a nice WWII vibe going for it. Though why a high-security complex for the most powerful empire of the galaxy is located in what's practically a beach resort, I'll never guess.

 

Darth Vader's final scene is fantastic. Heck I liked the whole ending. Does it make much sense for a film to idly move past its main protagonist's death for the sake of fan service? No, not really. But hey, it's Star Wars, and sometimes you've got to stop playing the critic, and play the fan. Besides, it was worth it to see Vader in action.

 

Speaking of fan service, I agree with BB. The Easter eggs are far more subtle here. But I guess Rogue One has the advantage of essentially not being a remake of ANH. There were still things I could have done without, like the first Vader scene, which seemed entirely pointless, aside from the obligatory "Force choke" and awful dialogue paired with it. Also, I don't think they should have shown us Vader without costume, since up until ROTJ, we only ever see the villain in his most intimidating form.

 

Also, maybe I was blind, or I was just sitting too close to the scene (got stuck with some awful seats), but Tarkin and Leia really did not look that bad! In fact, I thought they were pretty good for the most part. Sue me!

 

As for Gia's score, it worked for the most part. But it was anonymous fare. Like musical wallpaper, bursting when it needs to, and shimmering down for the dialogue. I think someone here pointed out that Gia did a good job with the transitional fanfares. I couldn't disagree more with that point though. Found them meandering and clearly betrayed the lack of years of experience and craftsmanship that Williams' more finely-timed fanfares put on display . Also, the "Hope" theme often took me out of the film, with its distracting major-chord optimism underscoring contrasting moods displayed on screen, or the opening titles. All in all it works  which you should give him credit for, especially in the short time he had. Still, this could have been something real special with Desplat.

 

In the end, Rogue One provides a good time. But it's a bit of a shallow affair, isn't it? Narrative-wise, you're basically given the big give-away within the first 30 minutes (that there's a flaw in the Death Star and that's the key to saving the Rebellion), and the rest of the film is just a trivial pursuit around that. You know how the film is going to play out right from the point you see the hologram with Jyn's father. And from there, there is no real attempt to delve into character or concept that warrants a whole film of this length. At least with TFA, you're dealing with a storyline that leaves some to the imagination for what's to come and what came before. Here, there isn't much else to discover, or much to reflect on after leaving the cinema really.

 

What it does well, however, is giving you 2 hours of solid escapist fare. And tonally it sets up more room for exploration in the franchise. Though I just can't imagine getting excited for any more of these spinoff films from here onwards.

 

 

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16 minutes ago, BloodBoal said:

Seems like you're back on the right track, as we agree on pretty much everything! Except CG Tarkin and Leia.

 

Hallelujah!

 

16 minutes ago, BloodBoal said:

I wonder though: who watched the film in 2D and who watched it in 3D? Maybe depending on the version, the CG characters looked more convincing...

 

I watched in 3D. It really didn't look that bad!

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7 hours ago, Daniel Clamp said:

Rey had a Rebel pilot doll, and Jin had a stormtrooper doll. Cute touch. When will Kylo Ren show up with a Darth Vader doll?

 

Kylo doesn't need a Vader doll because he keeps his burnt mask in a litter box by his bed. 

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Yeah I'm interested in peoples opinions of the 3D, especially anyone who has seen it in 2D first then a 3D second viewing. I saw it in 2D and I'm interested to see it in 3D. 

 

I remember being underwhelmed with Force Awakens on first viewing, with its reused planets, visuals and unoriginal set pieces, but I liked it more visually when I saw it in 3D. Space looks wonderful if done right.

 

So does the 3D really look good in Rogue One? Does it make the space battle at the end, the Death star scenes and the overall environments for example, look even better or does it have that dodgy, cheap looking, blurry in your face effect that 3D can have sometimes, especially characters faces?

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6 hours ago, Daniel Clamp said:

I love how Rogue One is probably the closest thing I'll ever get to a slasher flick in the SW universe.

 

They need to made a Batfleck vs Vader movie! Both of them killing at random with no one to stop them.

 

29 minutes ago, leeallen01 said:

Yeah I'm interested in peoples opinions of the 3D, especially anyone who has seen it in 2D first then a 3D second viewing. I saw it in 2D and I'm interested to see it in 3D. 

 

I remember being underwhelmed with Force Awakens on first viewing, with its reused planets, visuals and unoriginal set pieces, but I liked it more visually when I saw it in 3D. Space looks wonderful if done right.

 

So does the 3D really look good in Rogue One? Does it make the space battle at the end, the Death star scenes and the overall environments for example, look even better or does it have that dodgy, cheap looking, blurry in your face effect that 3D can have sometimes, especially characters faces?

 

The 3D did absolutely nothing for me, meaning the conversion must have been decent.

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Did anyone notice in that insane scene, that Vader used his hand (glove) to deflect a shot from a rebel, like in Empire when Han shot at him. And also when he force choked, lifted up and then slammed that guy on the ceiling, that he then walked under him and swung his saber upwards, cutting him in half without even looking. Insanely dark. 

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I think that Vader scene, other than the score, is what dragged this movie down for me so much. 

 

I know this was "Dark Wars" and didn't have a problem with that until the very end.  Like Drax said, it turned into a slasher movie.  Weirdly gratuitous even.  I know that's a bit of fan service that obviously most ate up, but it struck a totally wrong chord with me.  

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And why didnt Vader go hog wild when he boarded the ship a little later in the story (captured in a movie called Star Wars)?

And why doesnt Vader kick ass like that when he is fighting Obi-Wan?

 

It's all ruined! RUINED!

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That scene was one of the best scenes the saga has produced. Chilling, relentless, unapologetic, and after nearly 40 years, it made everyone remember just how evil and powerful he is. All these years, people have said Vader is so cool, I bloody love Vader!, but that scene for me, actually made me think, oh shit, as if I, for a moment, didn't see Vader as this cool villain, instead I saw him as a monster. That really reinvented Vader for me.

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