Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 It's the battle of the John Williams monster/thriller scores. Well? What say JWFan in the year 2016? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Disco Stu 15,495 Posted December 17, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted December 17, 2016 Jaws and it's not close. Ricard, Naïve Old Fart and Gruesome Son of a Bitch 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,346 Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 JP AINEC Disco Stu 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 Whats so great is that these are three amazingly unique scores. Pieter Boelen 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 Jaws of course! airmanjerm and Ricard 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 Jaws AITTMSASAMBTMASGED,BTJMO,YCTIOLI,D. Gruesome Son of a Bitch and airmanjerm 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 Wrong floor. Gruesome Son of a Bitch 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,041 Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 Pretty tough choice, to say the least. All three are incredible. There's a part of my brain that leans toward Jurassic Park, but yikes... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Quintus 5,399 Posted December 17, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted December 17, 2016 Y'all know me. Gruesome Son of a Bitch, Melange and airmanjerm 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ocelot 508 Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 Jurassic Park for me. It's a monster of orchestration, piccolo oboe and Eb clarinets not to mention pretty much every extension of woodwinds and thematically, it's incredible. Mind you I love all 3 pretty highly.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,515 Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 JAWS stamps all over the other two, but...if TLW is there, where is JAWS 2? I guess it's a generational thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Breathmask 555 Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 4 hours ago, Disco Stu said: Whats so great is that these are three amazingly unique scores. This. I voted Jurassic Park. It's so much grander than Jaws. A real great Hollywood score. And it has everything that's good about John Williams as well. It's almost like a Greatest Hits. John 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,493 Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 No competition here either. JURASSIC PARK is my favourite Williams score, favourite alltime score in general and the one that truly got me interested in film music. There's an interesting difference between them, in that JP is more of an 'experience'-oriented affair (both film and music), while JAWS relies on brilliant use of musical rhetorics. When I held classes on 'visual rhetorics', I didn't only talk about newspapers, ads and other journalistic genres -- I also played some clips from JAWS to underline how the music, and especially the use of the theme, is used to manipulate and undermine audience expectations. As far as album is concerned, JP is also in a class of its own, but I would say that JAWS and THE LOST WORLD are more or less on the same level for me (neither are in my top 10 Williams). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melange 446 Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 2 hours ago, Quintus said: Y'all know me. I got that beat......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,346 Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 4 hours ago, Richard said: JAWS stamps all over the other two, but...if TLW is there, where is JAWS 2? I guess it's a generational thing. Indeed. When I saw the thread title, I assumed it was asking to compare Jaws to JP (so the first score to each franchise). But if the poll includes the second JP score, why not the second Jaws score too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,331 Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 Too easy! Jaws, of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted December 17, 2016 Author Share Posted December 17, 2016 Wow, I didn't expect it to be this close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 Even though I still prefer Jaws, I was more excited about LLL's Jurassic Park release than Intrada's Jaws release last year, which I still have not listened to. I guess it's because I was satisfied by the last Jaws release in the early 2000s, while I knew the JP OST could use a lot of work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,346 Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 The sound quality difference between the Decca Jaws and Intrada Jaws is probably the biggest sound quality difference I've ever heard for a film music recording. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,000 Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 Jurassic Park is an iconic score of my childhood but it is no match against Jaws. Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trent B 337 Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 The Lost World got my vote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 Jaws is probably the best on an "intellectual" level but I don't know shit about that so I'll have to go with Jurassic Park. TLW is fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,346 Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 There's a lot of members here who prefer the Jaws 2 score over the Jaws score.. Of course I dunno if they prefer either JP score over it, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 I'd have to say JP. It's the first blockbuster I actually saw in the theater. I bought the OS album two days later, and that was my very first JW purchase. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,493 Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 36 minutes ago, Jay said: There's a lot of members here who prefer the Jaws 2 score over the Jaws score.. Of course I dunno if they prefer either JP score over it, etc. As an album, I prefer JAWS 2 over JAWS. As a film score, it's the other way around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joni Wiljami 1,206 Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 With the film Jaws one of the best ever. Without film I would listen JP more often. Never liked TLW that much, maybe that will change, when I can listen to the new JP album, hopefully before Christmas(2017😁) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted December 18, 2016 Share Posted December 18, 2016 1 The Lost World (by far the most unusual score) 2 Jurassic Park 3 Jaws 2 4 Jaws (by far the simplest score) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,493 Posted December 18, 2016 Share Posted December 18, 2016 1 hour ago, Brundlefly said: 4 Jaws (by far the simplest score) Simple?!? It's actually VERY complex and sophisticated! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,346 Posted December 18, 2016 Share Posted December 18, 2016 But he didn't say it was simple. He simply said it was more simple than the other three choices. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted December 18, 2016 Share Posted December 18, 2016 I would never dare calling a Williams-Score non-sophisticated or non-complex, but even Williams himself once said that Jaws is quite simple IN COMPARISON WITH Close Encounters of the Third Kind. (I cannot remember where I read that quote) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,346 Posted December 18, 2016 Share Posted December 18, 2016 Exactly, no one said it was simple or not complex full stop, just as a comparison between different compositions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted December 18, 2016 Share Posted December 18, 2016 Jaws is >>>> by far both as a film or score. And that's no slight to the wonder that is JP. Gruesome Son of a Bitch 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,493 Posted December 18, 2016 Share Posted December 18, 2016 2 hours ago, Jay said: But he didn't say it was simple. He simply said it was more simple than the other three choices. Yeah, but when you throw around a word like 'simple' in connection with JAWS, no matter what you compare it to, it doesn't really make sense. It's not simple in a 'sound' sense (lots of complex things going on in the music itself, especially in the more dissonant segments), and it is most definitely not simple in terms of application. In fact, an argument could be made that it's the most intellectual/complex score that Williams has done, next to IMAGES. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted December 18, 2016 Author Share Posted December 18, 2016 I agree. This is madness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,515 Posted December 18, 2016 Share Posted December 18, 2016 28 minutes ago, Thor said: Yeah, but when you throw around a word like 'simple' in connection with JAWS, no matter what you compare it to, it doesn't really make sense. It's not simple in a 'sound' sense (lots of complex things going on in the music itself, especially in the more dissonant segments), and it is most definitely not simple in terms of application. In fact, an argument could be made that it's the most intellectual/complex score that Williams has done, next to IMAGES. I'd round-out that trilogy with CE3K. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted December 18, 2016 Share Posted December 18, 2016 I'm only refering to the compositional aspect. Naturally he developed a lot within 22, 18 and even 3 years. Jaws itself is has been an outstanding musical idea (of course not only consisting of three notes). Don't overestimate the might of the comparative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,346 Posted December 18, 2016 Share Posted December 18, 2016 1 hour ago, Thor said: Yeah, but when you throw around a word like 'simple' in connection with JAWS, no matter what you compare it to, it doesn't really make sense. It's not simple in a 'sound' sense (lots of complex things going on in the music itself, especially in the more dissonant segments), and it is most definitely not simple in terms of application. In fact, an argument could be made that it's the most intellectual/complex score that Williams has done, next to IMAGES. Wow, you still don't get it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted December 18, 2016 Share Posted December 18, 2016 1 hour ago, Thor said: Yeah, but when you throw around a word like 'simple' in connection with JAWS, no matter what you compare it to, it doesn't really make sense. It's not simple in a 'sound' sense (lots of complex things going on in the music itself, especially in the more dissonant segments), and it is most definitely not simple in terms of application. In fact, an argument could be made that it's the most intellectual/complex score that Williams has done, next to IMAGES. Images isn't actually all that intellectual or complex. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,346 Posted December 18, 2016 Share Posted December 18, 2016 My own personal preference of how much enjoyment I get out of listening 1 Lost World 2 Jurassic Park 3 Jaws 4 Jaws 2 As for how much each I think improves its film by being in it 1 Jurassic Park 2 Jaws 3 Lost World (I've never seen Jaws 2) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted December 18, 2016 Share Posted December 18, 2016 19 minutes ago, Jay said: (I've never seen Jaws 2) What in the...? Why not? Jaws 2 is one of the best sequels to a Spielberg movie. Arguably even better than The Lost World, though not better than Temple of Doom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted December 18, 2016 Share Posted December 18, 2016 Are there many sequels to Spielberg movies (Indiana Jones 2-4, JP 2-4, Jaws 2-4)? Jaws 2 is definitely a weak film (except the music). Of course there are tons of worse sequels in general. You can compare it to JP III. But the Lost World is actually very creative concerning the different mood and has just a few flaws (the stockiness of the second half, neglecting the characters for example) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted December 18, 2016 Share Posted December 18, 2016 3 minutes ago, Brundlefly said: Jaws 2 is definitely a weak film (except the music). The music is the best part about it, yes, but the movie is great too. It's rather enjoyable, in some ways more so than the original. Maybe you don't like it, but it got generally good reviews and was a box office hit. The only thing is that it's always compared with the original, which is of course a classic, and therefore always in its shadow. Jaws 3D and Jaws: Revenge. Now, these are atrocious movies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,346 Posted December 18, 2016 Share Posted December 18, 2016 29 minutes ago, Josh500 said: What in the...? Why not? No particular reason I guess, just never did. Never heard much good things about it I guess, maybe it was never on cable at the right time, I wasn't gonna go buy some film I'd never seen, etc. I certainly will see it eventually, as I plan to watch every film JW scored eventually Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted December 18, 2016 Share Posted December 18, 2016 1 minute ago, Jay said: No particular reason I guess, just never did. Never heard much good things about it I guess, maybe it was never on cable at the right time, I wasn't gonna go buy some film I'd never seen, etc. I certainly will see it eventually, as I plan to watch every film JW scored eventually If your expectation for this film is that low, then trust me. You'll be pleasantly surprised. 😉 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,493 Posted December 18, 2016 Share Posted December 18, 2016 3 hours ago, Jay said: Wow, you still don't get it! I get it plenty, thank you very much. I still don't think an adjective like 'simple' has anything to do with a score like JAWS, whatever it refers to or compares to. 2 hours ago, Prerecorded Briefing said: Images isn't actually all that intellectual or complex. Wow, that is actually factually wrong. It is very much so (both in sound and application). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,346 Posted December 18, 2016 Share Posted December 18, 2016 But it wasn't an adjective DESCRIBING the score, it was COMPARING it to other scores. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,493 Posted December 18, 2016 Share Posted December 18, 2016 Just now, Jay said: But it wasn't an adjective DESCRIBING the score, it was COMPARING it to other scores. So what? It still doesn't make sense to describe it as 'simpler' than the others. In fact, it's very much the other way around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 No, it's not factually wrong. It's a difficult score, with some novel colors, but it doesn't approach the complexity of some isolated moments from other scores, and there are other scores as a whole where he's being much more "intellectual." Images is just the usual popular choice for that sort of thing from his output, so I understand your commitment to the idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,515 Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 13 hours ago, Josh500 said: The music is the best part about it, yes, but the movie is great too. It's rather enjoyable, in some ways more so than the original. Maybe you don't like it, but it got generally good reviews and was a box office hit. The only thing is that it's always compared with the original, which is of course a classic, and therefore always in its shadow. Jaws 3D and Jaws: Revenge. Now, these are atrocious movies. JAWS 2's photography, by Michael Butler, is easily as good as Bill Butler's work. For the most part, Neal Travis' editing, is crisp, and effective, without being showy. JTR has Karen Young flicking her knickers around a garage, and JAWS 3D has lots of young women dressed in nothing but Speedos, so it's not all bad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,493 Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 9 hours ago, Prerecorded Briefing said: No, it's not factually wrong. It's a difficult score, with some novel colors, but it doesn't approach the complexity of some isolated moments from other scores, and there are other scores as a whole where he's being much more "intellectual." Images is just the usual popular choice for that sort of thing from his output, so I understand your commitment to the idea. 'Sound' is one thing; just as important is how the score is used and conceptualized in terms of the story and theme. In both cases, Williams is at his more 'intellectual' and complex in this case. Have you seen the film? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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