Brundlefly 2,385 Posted January 15, 2017 Share Posted January 15, 2017 Here, at JWFan there is a complete cue list that shows the complete score of JFK. Due to some comments the score is said to be already almost completely offered on the OST. But the complete cue list implies the opposite - that a mass of music is still not offered to us. So, is a substantial part of the cue list source music and that electronic stuff from another composer or is it just Williams' cues? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,319 Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 Here you go http://www.jwfan.com/forums/index.php?/topic/13832-complete-jfk-score/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 I recently watched the movie. Most of the highlights are on the OS album. Some of the percussion based conspiratory music are missing.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amer 2,080 Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 From the edit its appears around 20 minutes of missing music. It will be very interesting to see how the music was recorded for the film, From what I remember reading that Williams wrote and recorded the score as suites. So what we saw on the film is derived from those suites. I hope we get to see and hear those complete unedited suites from the sessions as well as alternates or different takes. It would not make sense to release them in chronological film edits. While the release is scheduled for this year, I don't know if La La Land Records will be able to time the release around their November Black Friday dates (since JFK's assassination anniversary will be on 22nd November) but if the project comes out to fruition earlier it would be great! Incanus 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,713 Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 As the score was composed and recorded in a bit unusual way (if you are not Ennio Morricone or Sergio Leone) beforehand, it is difficult to tell how much of unreleased material there actually is for this score beyond what we can hear in the film. As you say there could be alternate takes and versions recorded on the initial recording sessions we know nothing about. Most prominent pieces of unreleased music I remember from the film: -A ghostly statement of the JFK theme and suspenseful underscore after the prologue for the Rose Cheramie warning that someone is trying to kill the president is not released. Interestingly this appears in the JFK concert suite preceding the Motorcade music. -The very subdued suspense music for the news bulletin when Garrison is hearing about the assassination is unreleased. This is basically just monotonous bass drum beat underneath the scene. -A piano statement of the Garrison Family theme is not on the OST which is featured in the film when they are going to a Eastern Sunday dinner. -The agitated ever quickening exotic percussion music for David Ferrie's ranting (if this was indeed composed by Williams) used IIRC twice in the film. Amer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amer 2,080 Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 I really liked that JFK concert that Williams did with Boston Pops for a concert in Tokyo. You are right we don't know much about the recordings or how much was recorded/left out etc. But I will love to hear them produced the full score as recorded. Hopefully Matessino will be on this project with the best of approach. But it remains to be seen how Williams would like this expanded album represented. Will it be a single cd or will it be relegated to a 2 Disc format with the compete archival score on Disc 1 and OST album on disc 2. Whatever comes that way, I'll take it. I just love the score. Josh500 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,713 Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 Hopefully the labels will do both Born on the Fourth of July and Nixon in the future too! All three Stone/Williams collaborations are ace! Amer and Josh500 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amer 2,080 Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 Some of us would love to hear Born on the Fourth of July as in complete form. Josh500 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 I'm still trying to wrap my head around how 20th Century Fox got the distribution rights to release JFK on blu-ray in Australia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 2 hours ago, azahid said: Some of us would love to hear Born on the Fourth of July as in complete form. Yes. I want JFK, Born on the Fourth of July, and Nixon too... In that order. 3 new holy grails. Or who knows? Maybe we'll get a John Williams/Oliver Stone Collection! (I know how unlikely that is, but how great would that be!) Amer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted January 16, 2017 Author Share Posted January 16, 2017 You're not the only one who has already dreamt of "The John Williams Oliver Stone Collection"! The 90s are surprisingly well provided by LLL! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 3 hours ago, Brundlefly said: You're not the only one who has already dreamt of "The John Williams Oliver Stone Collection"! It's somehow strange that none of the Oliver Stone John Williams movie soundtrack have been expanded.... Coincidence? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,319 Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 Nixon is a Disney film, and those rarely get expanded JFK is WB, and we know is coming from LLL 2017 or later BOTFOJ is Universal, and I wouldn't be surprised if it gets expanded soon after BTTF 1-3, Jaws 1-4, and JP 1-2 all happened! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 So all three are from different studios and all three haven't been expanded so far for different reasons. So it is a coincidence, isn't it? I can't wait for these, especially JFK and BOTFOJ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,319 Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 Having recently re-watched the JFK film for the first time since the 90s, that score is freshest in my mind, and I look forward to listening to all the music recorded, in a different order than the seemingly random OST order (which I've listened to a few times now since seeing the film and has some really nice music!) BOTFOJ I listened to for the first time a year or two ago and REALLY liked it; However the OST is very short and the bootleg sounds like crap, so I can't wait to get it all in proper sound quality! Nixon I am just completely unfamiliar with. Amer and Josh500 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 1 minute ago, Jay said: BOTFOJ I listened to for the first time a year or two ago and REALLY liked it; However the OST is very short and the bootleg sounds like crap, so I can't wait to get it all in proper sound quality! The JW score on the OS album is really short (like 30 minutes?), but I wonder how much music was actually missing.... I've seen the movie several times, but I can't recall any unreleased cue that struck me as particularly noteworthy. All the highlights are included on the album, aren't they? Except maybe for some dissonant Vietnam cues.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,319 Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 No idea; I think I saw the movie when I got netflix in 2001 but don't really remember it. I'll watch it again if an expanded CD gets announced for sure, though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 BOTFOJ boasts maybe the most gorgeous prologue ever, visually as well as musically... Love that childhood montage. That is perhaps the best (or most memorable) part of this movie. Naïve Old Fart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,507 Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 Agreed. Is that a fretless bass, on HOMECOMING? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted January 16, 2017 Author Share Posted January 16, 2017 BOTFOJ has a 25 minute OST and approx 25 minutes are still missing. There are some nice variations of the main theme, but especially the opening scene when the children are playing war and that harmless music gets more and more threatening (jurassic park-like string chord) alluding to what will follow AND the quiet depressing cue when Ron is crying while sleeping with a whore are missing. But what is left out on the Nixon OST? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,713 Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 1 minute ago, Brundlefly said: But what is left out on the Nixon OST? A few smaller cues here and there, perhaps about 20 minutes more more. The OST contains most of the setpieces. My favourite unreleased stuff includes the gorgeous tender piano moment after Nixon has lost the election and is pitying himself, which is a precursor to the Anakin's Betrayal melody from RotS and the funeral music for Nixon's brother Harold which again finds another life as Williams revises part of the elegy for Shmi's funeral in AotC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted January 16, 2017 Author Share Posted January 16, 2017 What else by WB is left to be expanded? (Except the Harry Potter Movies which WB want to do themselves, whoever believes it.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,713 Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 2 hours ago, Jay said: Nixon I am just completely unfamiliar with. I can't believe you haven't listened to it Jay! It is a precursor to the dark tragic style featured in the Prequels. You should check it out ASAP! Plus the dark main theme might remind you of a certain well known theme from Williams' ouvre. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,319 Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 1 minute ago, Brundlefly said: What else by WB is left to be expanded? (Except the Harry Potter Movies which WB want to do themselves, whoever believes it.) Here you go! http://www.jwfan.com/forums/index.php?/topic/24564-john-williams-scores-by-studio/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 Very informative list! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,319 Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 MCA belongs to WB now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,319 Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 I think you're mixing up film studios with record labels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 No, the movie is from Universal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 Jason's list says as much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 Ah, JFK=WB, thought BOTFJ. That's more Intrada territory then, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,319 Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 Who knows, these days; LLL of course just released their Jurassic Park collection and is working on JP3, and that's Universal's biggest property. Anything's possible these days Amer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 Melodically i would much prefer a July expansion. JFK only has the prologue, 'Arlington', 'The Motorcade' and the piano version that i need. But then, all of this stuff will come out eventually. Amer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 JFK could have loads of stuff that never saw the light of day though. Amer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,319 Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 Yea,that's a fun aspect of these releases, when there is music that was both unused in the film and not on the original OST, and we finally get to not only learn about its existence but also hear it. The Varese Deluxe Edition of The Abyss featured a lot of that, a really eye opening album. Amer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 I listened to that on a japanese site that streamed all Deluxe Editions for a while and it is really one of Silvestri's lamer efforts, in long and short form. But 'Empire of the Sun' was a nice surprise, even if the old album was enough really. I would probably choose BOTF and 'Noxin' over 'JFK'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 1 minute ago, publicist said: I listened to that on a japanese site that streamed all Deluxe Editions for a while and it is really one of Silvestri's lamer efforts, in long and short form. But 'Empire of the Sun' was a nice surprise, even if the old album was enough really. I would probably choose BOTF and 'Noxin' over 'JFK'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amer 2,080 Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 6 hours ago, publicist said: I listened to that on a japanese site that streamed all Deluxe Editions for a while and it is really one of Silvestri's lamer efforts, in long and short form. But 'Empire of the Sun' was a nice surprise, even if the old album was enough really. I would probably choose BOTF and 'Noxin' over 'JFK'. To each his own, I often say: ' One man's garbage is another another mans treasure' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted January 17, 2017 Author Share Posted January 17, 2017 I would also like "The John Williams Complete Life Achievement Collection" for just 9,999.00$ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,507 Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 Is that all you'd pay for The John Williams Complete Life Achievement Collection? Yah boo sucks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 18 hours ago, Stefancos said: You laugh but when i ripped open the package that was all i could see on the spine: NOXIN...and i wondered what the hell i'd ordered there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted January 18, 2017 Author Share Posted January 18, 2017 Every second friend of mine who sees "nixon" in my film collection asks what kind of flick "noxin" is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,713 Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 That is classy CD case spine design there. Gives the readers information but also makes them think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 Lead them onto wrong tracks...classic Stone! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amer 2,080 Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 A picture of the page from the JFK Cue 'Motorcade' posted by LA sessions Cellist Armen Ksajikian on his facebook page. Looks like the heavy section with the strings section for orchestra blazing in an fiery mode.( The six note attack motif is there) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,507 Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 Whoa! I can make-out the word "brutally". That is something! Amer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amer 2,080 Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 Brutally, Feroce (Ferocious) and Swell ! It's an Assault! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filmmusic 1,823 Posted March 5, 2017 Share Posted March 5, 2017 So, with the sheet music "out there" consisting of 36 cues, and a possible upcoming complete cd score, I guess this opposes the - I think - Oliver stone statement (?) that WIlliams wrote just 6 cues and he edited those in the film. I wonder why he said that. Or maybe he meant that Williams wrote 6 cues prior to the filming, and after the film was complete, he wrote the film score normally? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,319 Posted March 5, 2017 Share Posted March 5, 2017 10 hours ago, filmmusic said: Williams wrote 6 cues prior to the filming, and after the film was complete, he wrote the film score normally? That. filmmusic 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,713 Posted March 6, 2017 Share Posted March 6, 2017 Yes I would be inclined to be believe that is the way it happened. Although John Williams in a Boston Globe interview with Richard Dyer more or less states the same thing about writing these six suites and then Stone comforming those to the film by editing. It will be interesting to hear if and when the purported JFK release comes out, how much of JWs music went unused and are there some completely unheard gems among the recorded materials. Hopefully the liner notes will shed light on the actual scoring process as this is the only reported occurence of this working method for Williams, scoring the film beforehand without seeing a foot of footage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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