filmmusic 1,823 Posted February 17, 2017 Share Posted February 17, 2017 OK, so that there is no misunderstanding here: When I say "bottom", i mean the Williams scores you like less, and listen to less. it doesn't mean that these can be bad scores. Most of us here know that even the worst Williams score, is many times better than most scores of today. So, before I write any list, what do you think? Should this thread remain or maybe it'll cause a lot of controversy and arguments? Also, I'd say to limit this from eg. 1970 and up because I'm sure most people will include all the early Williams scores. I thought this would be fun to see what man's "treasure" is another man's "......"! (figure of speech of course) edit: Not in particular order (Sorry, i cheated with the Star Warses): The lost World Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of Crystal Skull Star Wars: The Force Awakens The BFG 1941 Midway SW: I, II, III (Each has a couple of great themes, but I can't listen to them as a whole) Sabrina Monsignor (a great theme, but on the whole....) Cinderella Liberty (I have to listen to this again to be sure) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,647 Posted February 17, 2017 Share Posted February 17, 2017 IN FILM OR ON ALBUM? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Disco Stu 15,495 Posted February 17, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted February 17, 2017 1. Star Wars 2. E.T. The Extra-Terrestrial 3. Schindler's List 4. The Empire Strikes Back 5. Close Encounters of the Third Kind 6. Jaws 7. Raiders of the Lost Ark 8. Harry Potter and The Sorcerer's Stone 9. Jurassic Park 10. Hook Once, Will, Gruesome Son of a Bitch and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,478 Posted February 17, 2017 Share Posted February 17, 2017 30 minutes ago, mstrox said: IN FILM OR ON ALBUM? Yup. I gotta know that too, in order to make a list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,480 Posted February 17, 2017 Share Posted February 17, 2017 46 minutes ago, Disco Stu said: 1. Star Wars 2. E.T. The Extra-Terrestrial 3. Schindler's List 4. The Empire Strikes Back 5. Close Encounters of the Third Kind 6. Jaws 7. Raiders of the Lost Ark 8. Harry Potter and The Sorcerer's Stone 9. Jurassic Park 10. Hook Hey, you don't have to do that, you're already on my blacklist! Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,233 Posted February 17, 2017 Share Posted February 17, 2017 I don't own or ever really listen to E.T., Schindler's List, or Hook. Can't do 10, but due to their popularity those are simply the most pronounced ones I don't really enjoy. Along these lines I should also mention stuff like The Fury, 1941, Amistad, Superman, and Tintin (mostly). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,480 Posted February 17, 2017 Share Posted February 17, 2017 I announce that due to the age of some users here, if they mention "E.T." or "Star Wars" on this Top 10, I will not put them on my blacklist. We have to respect older people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted February 17, 2017 Share Posted February 17, 2017 I'm not counting any of the Johnny Williams scores, because otherwise, they would exclusively populate the list. 1. Sabrina 2. Stanley and Iris 3. Always 4. Amazing Stories: The Mission 5. Heartbeeps 6. Spacecamp 7. 1941 8. The BFG 9. Saving Private Ryan 10. The Accidental Tourist I don't consider any of these outright bad scores, just underwhelming in the context of Williams' career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,480 Posted February 17, 2017 Share Posted February 17, 2017 I will stop watching this thread, I will do a heart attack! Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,647 Posted February 17, 2017 Share Posted February 17, 2017 1. Images 2. Sleepers 3. Sabrina 4. The Long Goodbye 5. Seven Years in Tibet 6. Stepmom 7. The Book Thief 8. The Accidental Tourist 9. Cinderella Liberty 10. JFK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted February 17, 2017 Share Posted February 17, 2017 20 minutes ago, mstrox said: 5. Seven Years in Tibet I listen to the title track from the OST for this one fairly often, but yeah I don't even know the last time I listened to it in full. And I've never seen the film (I should, Brad Pitt and David Thewlis together sounds great). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,647 Posted February 17, 2017 Share Posted February 17, 2017 Most of the scores I mentioned have at least one stand-out track/concert arrangement/theme, but they just are scores I find it a slog to get through otherwise. filmmusic 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filmmusic 1,823 Posted February 17, 2017 Author Share Posted February 17, 2017 2 hours ago, mstrox said: IN FILM OR ON ALBUM? I NEVER mean albums. I don't consider them representative of one composer's efforts. (it's like picking highlights of a Beethoven's Symphony and rearranging them) Sorry Thor, but i just think albums are in essence film music for the masses. So, i mean scores on the whole (not necessarily in the film) 2 hours ago, Disco Stu said: 1. Star Wars 2. E.T. The Extra-Terrestrial 3. Schindler's List 4. The Empire Strikes Back 5. Close Encounters of the Third Kind 6. Jaws 7. Raiders of the Lost Ark 8. Harry Potter and The Sorcerer's Stone 9. Jurassic Park 10. Hook is this a joke too like in the other thread? Ricard 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted February 17, 2017 Share Posted February 17, 2017 8 minutes ago, filmmusic said: is this a joke too like in the other thread? Yeah I figured I should at least complete that circle. mstrox and Cerebral Cortex 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filmmusic 1,823 Posted February 17, 2017 Author Share Posted February 17, 2017 1 hour ago, Bespin said: I will stop watching this thread, I will do a heart attack! It will be interesting though to see YOUR list! Bespin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,478 Posted February 17, 2017 Share Posted February 17, 2017 41 minutes ago, filmmusic said: I NEVER mean albums. I don't consider them representative of one composer's efforts. (it's like picking highlights of a Beethoven's Symphony and rearranging them) Sorry Thor, but i just think albums are in essence film music for the masses. So, i mean scores on the whole (not necessarily in the film) Wait....first you say you don't mean albums, and then you say 'not necessarily in the film'? So which is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted February 17, 2017 Share Posted February 17, 2017 No particular order and all post-Jaws: Midway Sabrina The Accidential Tourist Always Stanley and Iris Family Plot Black Sunday Far and Away Now it's gonna be difficult: Home Alone 2: Lost in New York Indiana Jones and the Crystal Skull Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,626 Posted February 17, 2017 Share Posted February 17, 2017 I'll make my list post 1975 since there's too many in the early 70's I'd include Saving Private Ryan Minority Report War of the Worlds Presumed Innocent The River Sleepers Rosewood Stepmom The Lost World Missouri Breaks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filmmusic 1,823 Posted February 17, 2017 Author Share Posted February 17, 2017 51 minutes ago, Thor said: Wait....first you say you don't mean albums, and then you say 'not necessarily in the film'? So which is it? I mean the complete score, not necessarily in conjuction with the film (meaning , not how it works in the film). (by album, I'm sure you meant the original non expanded osts. So I said, i definitely don't mean those) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,478 Posted February 17, 2017 Share Posted February 17, 2017 1 hour ago, filmmusic said: I mean the complete score, not necessarily in conjuction with the film (meaning , not how it works in the film). (by album, I'm sure you meant the original non expanded osts. So I said, i definitely don't mean those) No, to me it doesn't matter if it's the original OST or the expanded version. Sitting down and listening to film music on your stereo is a totally different experience to me than evaluating how a score works in a movie. Two different worlds, even (one primarily appealing to my music interest, the other to my film interest). So I cannot 'converge' these things into one single list. But I could make two different lists, of course, like I did in the 'best of' thread. Once 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,233 Posted February 18, 2017 Share Posted February 18, 2017 6 hours ago, TheGreyPilgrim said: I don't own or ever really listen to E.T., Schindler's List, or Hook. Can't do 10, but due to their popularity those are simply the most pronounced ones I don't really enjoy. Along these lines I should also mention stuff like The Fury, 1941, Amistad, Superman, and Tintin (mostly). I find myself increasingly unimpressed by Images and Rosewood (barring Look Down, Lord) as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted February 18, 2017 Share Posted February 18, 2017 12 hours ago, king mark said: I'll make my list post 1975 since there's too many in the early 70's I'd include Saving Private Ryan Minority Report War of the Worlds Presumed Innocent The River Sleepers Rosewood Stepmom The Lost World Missouri Breaks Many scores you chose are non-typical for Williams, depressing and/or very sinister, oddly sounding ones. Especially War of the Worlds, Sleepers, Presumed Innocent and The Lost World. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted February 18, 2017 Share Posted February 18, 2017 Well, d'oh. Hollywood might be a snake pit but it offers Williams a much more varied playground than what he would be allowed under the KM fan rule. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted February 18, 2017 Share Posted February 18, 2017 Any news of the new Star Wars score yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted February 18, 2017 Share Posted February 18, 2017 11 hours ago, publicist said: Well, d'oh. Hollywood might be a snake pit but it offers Williams a much more varied playground than what he would be allowed under the KM fan rule. Yes, he's an idiot. It's fitting that The Lost World, Amazing Stories: The Mission, Minority Report and Always show up in these lists as they're among my favorites. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted February 18, 2017 Share Posted February 18, 2017 In reverse chronological order, post-Jaws: 1. The BFG 2. The Book Thief 3. The Adventures Of Tintin 4. Kingdom Of The Crystal Skull 5. Chamber Of Secrets 6. Attack Of The Clones 7. Sorcerer's Stone 8. Always 9. Sabrina 10. Midway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted February 18, 2017 Share Posted February 18, 2017 1. Always 2. The Lost World: Jurassic Park 3. Hook 4. Amazing Stories: The Mission 5. Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone 6. Star Wars Episode III: Revenge of the Sith 7. Jaws 8. Return of the Jedi (OST) 9. Superman: The Movie 10. E.T. The Extra-Terrestrial Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artguy360 1,843 Posted February 19, 2017 Share Posted February 19, 2017 Having both TLW and TFA on any of these lists should be a war crime. Rosewood and The Sleepers on the other hand... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted February 19, 2017 Share Posted February 19, 2017 JWfan is not currently at war! We vanquished most of our enemies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Bryant Burnette 654 Posted February 19, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted February 19, 2017 (1) Thomas and the King (2) Thomas and the King (3) Thomas and the King (4) Thomas and the King (5) Thomas and the King (6) Thomas and the King (7) Thomas and the King (8) Thomas and the King (9) Thomas and the King (10) Thomas and the King Bespin, Will, Once and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will 2,215 Posted February 19, 2017 Share Posted February 19, 2017 I haven't even heard that one. But I hear it isn't very good. I will check it out for myself at some point. Something tells me I might actually like it... I mean, I like "America, the Dream Goes On," which everyone else seems to hate (except for loert). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 4,640 Posted February 19, 2017 Share Posted February 19, 2017 14 minutes ago, Bryant Burnette said: (1) Thomas and the King (2) Thomas and the King (3) Thomas and the King (4) Thomas and the King (5) Thomas and the King (6) Thomas and the King (7) Thomas and the King (8) Thomas and the King (9) Thomas and the King (10) Thomas and the King Not to be overly technical, but is this really a "score." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted February 19, 2017 Share Posted February 19, 2017 Those who voted The Lost World to their bottom ten JW scores share their taste in art with Caledon Hockley. Put a pistol in your mouth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,478 Posted February 19, 2017 Share Posted February 19, 2017 OK, I'll have to give this a go. Unlike most others, my list would actually NOT be full of 50s and 60s titles, since I love a lot of that stuff. A couple of clunkers in that period, though, that would no doubt have made the list. But to keep with the rules, these are my least favourite Williams scores from 1970 onwards, as music-in-films. I may have any number of issues with these, ranging from major to minor. 1. A Timeless Call 2. 1941 3. The Book Thief 4. Fiddler on the Roof 5. The Sugarland Express 6. SpaceCamp 7. Heartbeeps 8. Family Plot 9. The BFG 10. Star Wars: The Force Awakens Several of these have some good stuff too, but in an overall evaluation of how the music resonates with the story or visuals, the issues are present. I also have to make another list. These are my least favourite Williams scores, as musical experiences on album. Again, there are good things in all of these, but the overall musical reward is limited: 1.The Book Thief 2. The Sugarland Express (OK, no album yet, but I have the boot) 3. The Poseidon Adventure 4. Midway 5. Family Plot 6. Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull 7. The BFG 8. The Adventures of Tintin 9. Star Wars: The Force Awakens 10. SpaceCamp Or something like that. As you can see, plenty of post-2005 scores, as I think this is his weakest period so far (except WAR HORSE) mstrox 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,480 Posted February 19, 2017 Share Posted February 19, 2017 Scrolling down on my website, so mostly in chronological year of album release... Film scores only... I have generally little or no interest at all for the TV stuff. So I don't own these albums, but probably listen them at least once... but I have no desire at all of listening to them another time soon. Of course, I can't whistle the themes of anyone of those. Images Earthquake The Paper chase The Poseidon adventure A Guide for the Married Man Heartbeeps John Goldfarb, Please Come Home The Man Who Loved Cat Dancing Bachelor Flat None but the brave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,478 Posted February 19, 2017 Share Posted February 19, 2017 Bespin, you'd have to remove the 60s titles from your list. Konstantinos specifically asked for scores from 1970 onwards. Once 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryant Burnette 654 Posted February 19, 2017 Share Posted February 19, 2017 2 hours ago, Tom said: Not to be overly technical, but is this really a "score." I can't say for sure, but it is definitively shit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 3 hours ago, Tom said: Not to be overly technical, but is this really a "score." Not to be overly technical, but that wasn't really a question... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryant Burnette 654 Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/score Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muad'Dib 1,801 Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 So much hate on TFA and Tintin, how dare you! You maniacs! Anyways, in no particular order -there always one or two tracks on these scores that spark my interest, because most of the time this is very well written music, but for whatever reason it doesn't grab me from beggining to end... - The BFG - Earthquake / Poseidon Adventure / Towering Inferno (never quite got the love for the main title for this last one in particular) - The Cowboys (generally I find Williams' americana westerns to be largely unimpressive and boring, apart from Missouri Breaks but that's another whole beast) - The River - Home Alone (both) - and by extension the first two Potter scores when they channel that sound - Amistad (apart from Sierra Leone and some other track which I dig a lot, I really hate how eclectic it is. I mean, there are lots of eclectic JW scores out there, two which I love that are JP and POA but this one... sheesh... I don't know, it just doesn't flow) - Stepmom (the cringe is real) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 1 hour ago, Muad'Dib said: - The BFG - Earthquake / Poseidon Adventure / Towering Inferno (never quite got the love for the main title for this last one in particular) - The Cowboys (generally I find Williams' americana westerns to be largely unimpressive and boring, apart from Missouri Breaks but that's another whole beast) - The River - Home Alone (both) - and by extension the first two Potter scores when they channel that sound - Amistad (apart from Sierra Leone and some other track which I dig a lot, I really hate how eclectic it is. I mean, there are lots of eclectic JW scores out there, two which I love that are JP and POA but this one... sheesh... I don't know, it just doesn't flow) - Stepmom (the cringe is real) - The BFG: um, ok - Earthquake / Poseidon Adventure / Towering Inferno (never quite got the love for the main title for this last one in particular): TTI is hugely overrated, Earthquake great fun - The Cowboys (generally I find Williams' americana westerns to be largely unimpressive and boring, apart from Missouri Breaks but that's another whole beast) were there any beyond The Cowboys? - The River it's not wholly successful but has lovely parts - and is one of the increasingly rare post-SW instances of a different Williams - Home Alone (both) - and by extension the first two Potter scores when they channel that sound while they can become overkill, especially in their overt sweetness, i would rate them as prime examples of Williams' russian style; not liking this basically means not liking huge parts of his whole output - Amistad (apart from Sierra Leone and some other track which I dig a lot, I really hate how eclectic it is. I mean, there are lots of eclectic JW scores out there, two which I love that are JP and POA but this one... sheesh... I don't know, it just doesn't flow) sort of, though there still are at least some respectable highlights - Stepmom (the cringe is real) it's boring but not in an unpleasant way, still, yes Not Mr. Big 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,478 Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 1 hour ago, publicist said: were there any beyond The Cowboys? Yes, many. Williams has done several westerns and obviously done several non-westerns with loads of traditional, coplandesque Americana. In fact, it's probably the sound he's done the most over the years. I love it myself, although there have been a few occasions where it's either overblown (A TIMELESS CALL) or a bit on the boring, 'autopilot' side (LINCOLN). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,480 Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 11 hours ago, Thor said: Bespin, you'd have to remove the 60s titles from your list. Konstantinos specifically asked for scores from 1970 onwards. No. mstrox 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,478 Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 1 minute ago, Bespin said: No. Ha, ha. I expected that response. By applying your own rules and way of doing things, you're definitely consistent with your personality. Once 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filmmusic 1,823 Posted February 20, 2017 Author Share Posted February 20, 2017 16 hours ago, Rose Dawson said: Those who voted The Lost World to their bottom ten JW scores share their taste in art with Caledon Hockley. Put a pistol in your mouth. You're talking that voted E.T.?? edit: Wait, is your list a joke too? Becuase you also have Lost World. 3 hours ago, Thor said: Ha, ha. I expected that response. By applying your own rules and way of doing things, you're definitely consistent with your personality. Thor, I'm not sure if your Fiddler on the Roof also is eligible. I mean, is there any original score in this with new themes? I thought this was only a score adaptation. 15 hours ago, Bespin said: Of course, I can't whistle the themes of anyone of those. Heartbeeps Heartbeeps has some of the most whistable themes of Williams.. Although on the verge of being simplistic (contrary to simple) in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 Crimebuster always gets his Man! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,478 Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 1 hour ago, filmmusic said: Thor, I'm not sure if your Fiddler on the Roof also is eligible. I mean, is there any original score in this with new themes? I thought this was only a score adaptation. It's been at least 15 years since I saw the movie last, but I do seem to remember a few stretches with Williams score that was not based on Bock's material. My issue with this has always been that it feels OVER-orchestrated, so it's not really an issue with composition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filmmusic 1,823 Posted February 20, 2017 Author Share Posted February 20, 2017 2 hours ago, publicist said: Crimebuster always gets his Man! Yeah, I think this is one of the most simplistic Williams themes of his career (the A part, not the middle section) And it always reminds me (its first phrase) of this 1961 Greek Song (0.16''-0.20'')(when I first heard the theme I tried to find where else I had listened to it again). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will 2,215 Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 21 hours ago, Bryant Burnette said: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/score Okay, thanks, I found the relevant definition: : success in obtaining something (as money or drugs) especially through illegal or irregular means Or maybe it's this: : a line (as a scratch or incision) made with or as if with a sharp instrument Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerebral Cortex 3,357 Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 On 2/19/2017 at 3:21 PM, Thor said: ...As you can see, plenty of post-2005 scores, as I think this is his weakest period so far... On 2/19/2017 at 3:21 PM, Thor said: ...(except WAR HORSE) Smeltington and Will 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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