gkgyver 1,645 Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 Do you think there was or is envy by fellow composers that Shore got the gig as a relatively unknown composer compared to the Williams and Horners and Goldsmiths of that era, and got that famous? I just remember Harry Gregson Williams being somewhat dismissive about Shore's work when asked about his Narnia score, and Narnia's parallels to Middle-Earth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted March 4, 2017 Share Posted March 4, 2017 From what I've observed, no composer worth their salt is going to waste time with petty bullshit like that. You almost definitely don't get to succeed if you have the sort of personality that's prone to that kind of thing, because no one will want to work with you. I reckon whatever HGW said wasn't even truly "dismissive." He's a very affable guy. Being prickly and principled or whatever (Jerry, Herrmann) is one thing, but professional jealousy is shooting yourself in the foot. Quintus 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 4, 2017 Share Posted March 4, 2017 While Shore wasnt a big name film composer back than like Williams or Horner, he had already made quite a name for himself as the to-go-to guy for difficult psychological subject matter. Even if he wasnt selling albums by the millions or racking up the Oscars I doubt he was being dismissed as a nobody. His work for Cronenberg alone, and (comparatively) high profile works like Silence Of The Lambs and Se7en speaks volumes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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gkgyver 1,645 Posted March 4, 2017 Author Share Posted March 4, 2017 16 hours ago, Stefancos said: While Shore wasnt a big name film composer back than like Williams or Horner, he had already made quite a name for himself as the to-go-to guy for difficult psychological subject matter. Even if he wasnt selling albums by the millions or racking up the Oscars I doubt he was being dismissed as a nobody. His work for Cronenberg alone, and (comparatively) high profile works like Silence Of The Lambs and Se7en speaks volumes. I didn't say he was unknown in general. I said he was unknown compared to others, especially considering the subject. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 5, 2017 Share Posted March 5, 2017 18 hours ago, BloodBoal said: I think that was in the interview where he said he thought Jerry Goldsmith's Star Trek: The Motion Picture sounded like "a person wandering aimlessly in the dark in a room full of instruments and hitting them randomly". Fuck Shore! Naïve Old Fart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted March 5, 2017 Share Posted March 5, 2017 Well, he's not wrong... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 5, 2017 Share Posted March 5, 2017 Fuck Bloodboal! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted March 5, 2017 Share Posted March 5, 2017 Well, he's not wrong... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 5, 2017 Share Posted March 5, 2017 You're on my shitlist now, mate! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,511 Posted March 5, 2017 Share Posted March 5, 2017 11 hours ago, Stefancos said: Fuck Shore! THIS !!!!!!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted March 5, 2017 Author Share Posted March 5, 2017 I'm so glad my harmless question was turned into its own thread. Fuck Jay!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 5, 2017 Share Posted March 5, 2017 Yes! Fuck Jason! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trent B 337 Posted March 5, 2017 Share Posted March 5, 2017 Gotta say.... FUCK YOU ALL!!!! Just kidding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kühni 485 Posted March 11, 2017 Share Posted March 11, 2017 The source of the HGW comments. He's still a dickhead in my Book of Revelations. And of course Chris Tilton couldn't help but being a condescending ******* over the music, Shore or anybody who liked it. CC: Now, I'll ask a question that I'm sure many film music fan's have thought about. Inevitably, people are going to compare what Howard Shore did for THE LORD OF THE RINGS trilogy and what Harry Gregson-Williams has done for NARNIA. HGW: What was that like, by the way? CC: The score for THE LORD OF THE RINGS? HGW: Yes. Nothing really stuck out to me. I doubt really recall any of the different themes or different textures. I think he used a lot of brass or something? Since I don't own any of the soundtracks to those movies, they certainly weren't my starting point or my finishing point. I certainly respect Howard Shore and he certainly did a good job, but it was never on my mind. I never thought I want to do this or that like him. I'm just not familiar enough with what he did actually. CC: I see! So you were being facetious about not knowing much about Howard Shore's score! HGW: Ha! No. Not at all! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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KK 3,307 Posted March 11, 2017 Share Posted March 11, 2017 I agree with BloodBoal's sensible post. But the statement SUH underlined does seem to indicate he wasn't that fond of what he recollected, and it wasn't necessarily expressed in the most respectful way. Especially in an industry which dictates a certain level of subtlety, where even the slightest comment against your colleagues is generally frowned upon. SafeUnderHill 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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KK 3,307 Posted March 11, 2017 Share Posted March 11, 2017 Then he shouldn't have gone to Hollywood! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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gkgyver 1,645 Posted March 11, 2017 Author Share Posted March 11, 2017 3 hours ago, BloodBoal said: He's British. You can't expect him to express in a subtle way how he felt about the music! Brits have no taste in film music, look at Nicholas Hooper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted March 11, 2017 Share Posted March 11, 2017 Lol, so THAT is the HGW quote that some found objectionable? Is there a language barrier issue or something preventing the reading of it in the proper tone - that is, dry British snark and not earnest puzzlement/derision? Jilal and Not Mr. Big 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 I believe James Horner was once quoted in a (since deleted) podcast interview saying, "Howard Shore can suck my balls, although The Fly was good." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted March 12, 2017 Author Share Posted March 12, 2017 7 hours ago, TheGreyPilgrim said: Lol, so THAT is the HGW quote that some found objectionable? Is there a language barrier issue or something preventing the reading of it in the proper tone - that is, dry British snark and not earnest puzzlement/derision? The language barrier is between HGW and music. Bilbo and SafeUnderHill 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,679 Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 And... 19 hours ago, BloodBoal said: So he isn't allowed to have an opinion? He isn't allowed to say it didn't make a big impression on him? Anyway, I interpret his comment more like: "Why are you talking to me about a score by some other guy? Why aren't you asking me about that score I just wrote? No, I didn't take inspiration from it, thank you very much. End of story." than a real "Oh, Shore's LOTR? That was shit, man. Like really bad shit." Maybe the way he phrased his answer sound clumsy and unrespectful to you, but no need to bring out the pitchforks and torches. Why do you care anyway how he feels about those scores? Does it change your appreciation of them? No? Then why be irritated by his comment? Some people just don't care much about something you love. Deal with it! This. Not Mr. Big 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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gkgyver 1,645 Posted March 12, 2017 Author Share Posted March 12, 2017 If nothing sticks out at you listening to a LotR score, you're either not very honest, or stupid. Bilbo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 Ye gods. I suppose it's time to accept that this subforum simply won't continue to exist with any real substance beyond the occasional dredging up of hollow controversy through forced misreadings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,511 Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 On 11/03/2017 at 1:40 PM, SafeUnderHill said: I really like composers who show humility. John Williams is a fine example, and doesn't even bash modern composers like Zimmer. That's because he's so far above Mr. Zimmer, that JW's shit dissolves on the way down, before it even reaches him. You can't bash, what you can't see. Bilbo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 3 hours ago, TheGreyPilgrim said: Ye gods. I suppose it's time to accept that this subforum simply won't continue to exist with any real substance beyond the occasional dredging up of hollow controversy through forced misreadings. I find that the best Middle-Earth discussion happens outside of this subforum anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,679 Posted March 13, 2017 Share Posted March 13, 2017 3 hours ago, gkgyver said: If nothing sticks out at you listening to a LotR score, you're either not very honest, or stupid. Nothing (or very little) sticks out at me when listening to the OT. Some people just aren't into Shore's music. Get over it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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gkgyver 1,645 Posted March 13, 2017 Author Share Posted March 13, 2017 4 hours ago, Richard Penna said: Nothing (or very little) sticks out at me when listening to the OT. Some people just aren't into Shore's music. Get over it. Some people just don't have good taste. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,511 Posted March 13, 2017 Share Posted March 13, 2017 SafeUnderHill, I never said that HZ's music is "garbage". Far from it. Its just that, to my ears at least, JW is in a completely different class. I will, however, and for the sake of harbouring good relations between JWfaners, "bottle the acid". Amity, as you know, means "friendship" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kühni 485 Posted March 13, 2017 Share Posted March 13, 2017 19 hours ago, KK said: I find that the best Middle-Earth discussion happens outside of this subforum anyway. I'm coming to Canada later this year, so perhaps I ought to swing by and we can have discussions without any kind of plebs. And over Guinness. Or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted March 13, 2017 Share Posted March 13, 2017 3 minutes ago, Kühni said: I'm coming to Canada later this year, so perhaps I ought to swing by and we can have discussions without any kind of plebs. And over Guinness. Or something. Well, about bloody time! Do make a stop in Toronto! We have much to discuss old friend! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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