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The Great Prequel Revival - Is It Real? Is it Happening?

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Nearly two decades ago, the prequels were considered horrible. Unbelievable. Ridiculous. Throw whatever synonym of "WTF" on there as you might. 

 

Now many Star Wars fans of old are dead. Replaced by people who grew up on Jar Jar. Donald Trump is president, so any criticism of things being politically unrealistic has gone out the window. The Patriot Act was a democracy saying, SURVEIL US, to thunderous applause. The Tragedy of Darth Plageius the Wise is an internet phenomenon. Prequel sales are up. Prequel quotes are up. More people are getting together and rewatching the Prequels. Shoot, I just rewatched them over the last two weekends. And they are more endearing than I remember. And my god, Hayden Christensen makes an amazingly realistic teenager. He is exactly what you would expect Darth Vader to be as a teen.

 

And I think that pissed off a lot of the nerds, by virtue of being too realistic. The nerds were really all Anakin's during their teenagehoods. Talented and "smart" and because they knew it, also insufferable and whiny, and they just couldn't see it, like Anakin couldn't his own failings. 

 

But now...now things are different. Has the tide turned? Are the prequels in vogue? 

 

 

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Not yet, but they will be.

 

In the pantheon of all the Star Wars film that we will have in say, 5 to 7 years they will be seen as unique. The vision of Star Wars by the Creator itself. Undiluted by studio interference.

A radical homage to the old Flash Gordon serials, right down to the rigid direction style, artificial looking sets and wooden acting.

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I still dream that someone will reshoot the prequels one day.

 

And please, start the first Episode with a teenager Anakin, not a baby.

 

The Qui-Gon Jinn story can just be told, it's no use to show it.

 

Don't change any fact, just tell different stories... and of course use different dialogues.

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They are awfull, all three of them. But they are unique. Which in todays cinematic milieu gives them some intellectual credibility.

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There's definitely been a shift in fandom. I don't think they'll ever be universally loved but I think there's an acceptance and tolerance that wasn't there before. Clone Wars has helped. The Prequel generation has grown up and in mainstream and need media and that has helped.

 

 

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A new generation now has grown up with the Prequels as their introduction to Star Wars.

 

It's their benchmark 

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I don't care for the old ones anymore. Except for the music, I really want nothing to do with them.

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43 minutes ago, Stefancos said:

They are awfull, all three of them. But they are unique. Which in todays cinematic milieu gives them some intellectual credibility.

 

No. 

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It will happen Lee!

 

Age of Trump!

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5 minutes ago, Selina Kyle said:

I don't care for the old ones anymore. Except for the music, I really want nothing to do with them.

You know what is really strange? I rewatched the old films (in one of those restored original versions) in late 2015... and they mostly did nothing for me. They were just bunch of movies, nothing godly or that special about them. Sad but true.

 

Prequels are still worse though.

 

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With the exception of parts of ROTS, they really are pretty bad. AOTC is borderline unwatchable.

 

That said, the are original, and I credit Lucas for taking the story, look and tone in different directions rather than simply remaking what came before. 

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The IDEA of the Prequels is delicious! But execution is unpalatable.

Just now, Quintus said:

I wish I could watch them even out of kitsch value, but there's not even that. 

 

Good kitsch is fun! 80's Flash Gordon, Highlander, thats fun!

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Ever since Disney started capitalizing on the OT and making their sequels and spinoffs and bulldozing Disneyland, I just can't stand it anymore. Enough is enough. They're just Saturday matinee popcorn movies for kids. The prequels have basically remained immune to all of this, thank God.

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I remember an old Empire magazine edition mentioning how The Phantom Menace was said to be delving much more into the politics of Star Wars, and it was pretty mouth watering to think about. But then look how that turned out. 

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I enjoy rewatching the prequels than I do TFA.  Lots of eye-candy and funny-bad stuff and the score is more prominent in the sound mix.  

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4 minutes ago, Quintus said:

I remember an old Empire magazine edition mentioning how The Phantom Menace was said to be delving much more into the politics of Star Wars, and it was pretty mouth watering to think about. But then look how that turned out. 

 

The Prequels as a miniseries written and produced by Vince Gilligan would be a masterpiece!

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Revenge of the Sith is an awesome flick.

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There will be prequel revival...Disney will see to it.

 

Here's what I said a few years ago to Alexcremers when he was (wrongly) predicting that the new films (i.e. TFA) would flop b/c of Star Wars burnout and that Star Wars just wasn't that "hot" anymore an that no one cares about a "bunch of old movies".....

 

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These films are going go through the roof if they're only halfway decent. You'll have people who grew up with the original trilogy going for the nostalgia factor...people who grew up with the PT because they're still into it...and a whole new generation of kids who will be seeing for the very first time....some because they want to, some because they're parents are dragging them there. Phantom Menace, an awful film, is the biggest grossing SW movie to date because of those reasons.
Hating on SW is fine, but obtuseness is not an attractive quality.

 

There were a lot of people who grew up with the prequels, and the prequels are "their Star Wars". And lets not forget those films made a lot of money.  Eventually, prequel nostalgia is going to kick in, and if it doesn't Disney will create it. And no one does nostalgia better than Disney. It will happen, count on it. There are a lot of prequel characters & worlds, and they're going to end up in Disney's parks. There's just too much to mine there....Disney paid all that money, not for the Star Wars films, but for those characters. They're not going to ignore 50+% of them.

 

By the time Disney is done, even the most hardened prequel hater is going to be feeling a twinge of nostalgia for them.  

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I still can't watch a Prequel again without cringing at at least two things in every scene.

 

Williams might be God, but even the Lord himself can't help certain things to get any better more enjoyable ...

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Lovd the first post in this thread.

 

Well, I grew up with the idea that the OT was something divine, special and untouchable. When I finally got around to watching them, someone here advised me to start with the OT first and that was a big mistake.

 

First, they just sound old. I read somewhere that money was poured into remastering the audio tracks, but I dont notice too much of that. I find the OT unsatisfactory on many levels including character development, story-telling and, yes, score-wise too. Great themes, but the overall 'sound' doesn't agree with me. As for the films in general, there's nothing special to them to me at all.

 

The prequel scores are so much better! Duel of the Fates, Across the Stars, you name it, all terrific cues. I absolutey loved ROTS because of Anakin's fascinating character arc and Palpatine made it even better. Add to that the melodramatic music and the OT just becomes an afterthought. I even like TFA much better than the OT. Far more compelling that any Lucas film.

 

I'm not saying the prequels are good movies overall. McGregor is utterly awful in all three of them and Christensen is ridiculous in AOTC, but his take on Anakin really worked for me in ROTS. Luke, however, is a superficial character I can't sympathise with and it's hard to feel for or even hate a villain who destroys planets whose inhabitants are utterly irrelevant to you. The OT has this annoying 'just go with it, don't expect explanations' thing about them that the prequels don't have. I only briefly cared for Han Solo in the OT, but everything is too superficial. 'A beautiful princess, let's go save her! Learn about the Force  but don't ask what the Force is. This must be the Sandpeople but don't ask what Sandpeople are.'

 

So, bottom line: prequels are okay, ROTS is brilliant, OT is... between not bad and okay. Looking forward to more Disney films.

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The prequel scores are so much better?

 

*** FORCE CHOKE ***

 

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1 hour ago, BloodBoal said:

What is going on here?

 

How out of touch!

1 minute ago, TheGreyPilgrim said:

They are, from a certain point of view.  Recording aesthetics, and the fact that they are more Williamsy in general.

 

And more...Renaissancy/Classical to fit the cleaner prequel aesthetic. 

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3 hours ago, crocodile said:

You know what is really strange? I rewatched the old films (in one of those restored original versions) in late 2015... and they mostly did nothing for me. They were just bunch of movies, nothing godly or that special about them. Sad but true.

 

Prequels are still worse though.

 

Karol

 

I too feel the hollowness of the originals. I think it's a holdover of the 1970s monotone aesthetic. The music departed dramatically from that, but the filmmaking didn't. 

 

The music is actually the most lively element in the original movies. John scores a graveyard. 

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3 minutes ago, Blumenkohl said:

John scores a graveyard. 

 

And the dead are rising for him.

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18 minutes ago, TheGreyPilgrim said:

Yes, they are sonically rather streamlined, which just appeals to me more than the spiky dryness of the original trilogy.

 

I love them both!

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11 minutes ago, Blumenkohl said:

He should score a zombie flick. 

Eh...  Williams isn't great at writing "scary music".  

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I theorized a while back that with this sudden onrush of Disney Star Wars crap, that from the ashes of George Lucas-owned Lucasfilm fandom, there would emerge a group of hipster SW fans that only considered Episodes I-VI canon. Everything since is fan fiction mass-produced by an evil empire of white slavers. They've become more powerful than even Lucas could have imagined. They got fucking Harrison Ford to get up onstage at a nerd convention.

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5 minutes ago, Selina Kyle said:

They got fucking Harrison Ford to get up onstage at a nerd convention.

 

I'm sure they paid him handsomely for him to get up there. Enough for him to be able to buy as many leather jackets as he could possibly want.

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5 hours ago, BloodBoal said:

What is going on here?

 

The Trump age!

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2 hours ago, Selina Kyle said:

I theorized a while back that with this sudden onrush of Disney Star Wars crap, that from the ashes of George Lucas-owned Lucasfilm fandom, there would emerge a group of hipster SW fans that only considered Episodes I-VI canon. Everything since is fan fiction mass-produced by an evil empire of white slavers. They've become more powerful than even Lucas could have imagined. They got fucking Harrison Ford to get up onstage at a nerd convention.

 

 

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