Disco Stu 15,495 Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 3 hours ago, crumbs said: First and only mention of the score I can find, after the film's embargoed screening today. Sigh. https://letterboxd.com/film/the-post-2017/ Well, film and score seem as predicted. Can't imagine many people coming out of other politically charged films like JFK or Nixon and thinking the score was "boring." Understandable Spielberg wanted to avoid melodramatic scoring but it sounds like unobtrusive wallpaper. I’ve seen many non-film score obsessives call scores like Lincoln boring so best not to leap to conclusions. Of course I think we have pretty different tastes in this area so who knows. Will and Not Mr. Big 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,301 Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 I'd be curious to press that guy for more information, or at least elaborate on what he means by "boring." The fact that it was noteworthy enough to call out as one of the film's worst elements is what concerns me. The score for Lincoln fits the film like a glove and never distracts with its elegant restraint; what is it about this score that made him call it out so specifically? I guess the most likely explanation is the film is both sparsely spotted and the score is very stripped back with a smaller orchestra and few opportunities to indulge in itself. Not necessarily a bad contrast with the bombast of The Last Jedi, but agree we should wait until we hear more opinions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 I think it just means the author is aware of JW and found the score unremarkable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,301 Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 Well fingers crossed! Certainly can't complain; a new Williams score is always something to be celebrated, especially for a man of his age. Cerebral Cortex 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,287 Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 On 11/18/2017 at 4:40 PM, Richard Penna said: I love how the discussion is all about which JW score will be nominated, not whether he will be nominated at all. For political reasons, for two scores that no one has heard yet. It shouldn't be surprising at all. The Oscars have WAY more to do with politics than with the actual quality of what's nominated... ESPECIALLY in the original score category. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Obi 404 Posted November 20, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted November 20, 2017 Non amateurs of John Williams always says "The music is disappointing"... I read this kind of things since Tintin. So, do not pay too much attention. Not Mr. Big, Arpy, Fancyarcher and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,287 Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 Yep Not Mr. Big 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 4 hours ago, Disco Stu said: I’ve seen many non-film score obsessives call scores like Lincoln boring so best not to leap to conclusions. Of course I think we have pretty different tastes in this area so who knows. If I recall correctly, Lincoln gave Williams the best press with the critics in years. It is his most sparse and approrpiately subtle score in some time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 4,639 Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 Remember for 90% of critics, a John Williams score is either overbearing or ineffectual--there is no middle ground. Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 90% of the reviews don't even mention the score, regardless of who wrote it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,301 Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 Another reaction: Quote Don’t take my word for it, but as per the tea i got it’s apparently “…very good. Streep, Odenkirk and Hanks standouts, the score not so much, especially for a John Williams effort. Very talky, very paint by numbers, as with Bridge of Spies. It’s still Spielberg 2000’s, not Spielberg in his prime”. Apparently. http://www.goldderby.com/forum/movies/the-papers/page/22/ Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 So Williams in his final years has finally mastered the gold standard of 'unobtrusive Howard Shore drama score'? crumbs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandor 796 Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 I think many reviewers associate Williams too much with instant iconic themes and will always think of Star Wars, E.T., Jurassic Park or Indiana Jones, even when he writes for an intimate drama. If they aren't humming the main theme after seeing the film, they reason the score is boring and that -since it's John Williams- it should have stood out. A John Williams score for this kind of film can be very effective nonetheless and I found that the music -like with Lincoln- often presents layers, details and depth, only to be discovered upon repeated listenings. The score for The Post will likely be much more rewarding that these initial reviews indicate. Amer and Arpy 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 Exactly, War Horse was "syrupy" according to critics, nothing will be good to these people. Critics are rarely film score fans. Amer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amer 2,080 Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 2 minutes ago, Sandor said: I think many reviewers associate Williams too much with instant iconic themes and will always think of Star Wars, E.T., Jurassic Park or Indiana Jones, even when he writes for an intimate drama. If they notice they aren't humming the main theme after seeing the film, they reason the score is boring and that -since it's John Williams- it should have stood out. A John Williams score for this kind of film can be very effective nonetheless and I found that the music -like with Lincoln- often presents layers, details and depth, only to be discovered upon repeated listenings. The score for The Post will likely be much more rewarding that these initial reviews indicate. I agree. Williams fans who have clearly adapted to his style of prose understand Williams writing prose and its very rewarding. LINCOLN is a very good example. There was a video promo clip where a TV journalist was visiting both Williams and Spielberg and when Williams played the main motif theme from LINCOLN the TV host apparently said that it wasn't that memorable. I find LINCOLN to be a very layered and effective score that speaks volumes. Its deep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 2,833 Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 Not sure what people really expect from this score. It seems like the kind of film where the music probably doesn't add anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 The best anyone can hope for is a soundtrack album with extended pieces. Like with 'Lincoln' that hardly figured in the movie. Sandor 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandor 796 Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 And it's almost human nature to 'enjoy' seeing succesful people take a fall. So if the great 'John Williams' hasn't written something as iconic as the soaring Flying Theme or the Raiders' March, he has failed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,671 Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 I find it a reminder that even 'great' composers can produce average work now and again. Strangely when it comes to a new score and we're near oscar season, Williams is suddenly incapable of writing dull music and all critics are deaf. I'm not dooming this score already. I just think we need to hear the music first.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,030 Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 Once again, we have to turn to a Scandinavian store to see the soundtrack listed: https://www.imusic.dk/cd/0190758113425/john-williams-2018-post-o-s-t-compact-disc Not a bad price tag. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 4,639 Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 38 minutes ago, Richard Penna said: I find it a reminder that even 'great' composers can produce average work now and again. Strangely when it comes to a new score and we're near oscar season, Williams is suddenly incapable of writing dull music and all critics are deaf. I'm not dooming this score already. I just think we need to hear the music first.... Williams is by far the best composer working in Hollywood. His "average" work tends to be better than 90% of other film scores. Nobody is guaranteeing anything here. We are dealing with probabilistic predictions based on years of Williams's talent. I don't understand the problem. We have not heard TLJ yet either, do you really think it will be dull? Once 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 Sometimes I forget how closed-eared JWFans can be about these smaller scores. I'd say the only smaller Williams score I've been disappointed by is The Book Thief, and even that has much reward for the close listener. Once 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 People here are taking these casual critic remarks way too personally. Williams doesn't need any of us to defend his work, he's doing just fine on his own. I'm sure The Post will be a pleasant but inoffensive work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 Odd word choice. Has Williams ever been "offensive"? Is offensive music better than inoffensive music? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 I prefer to be offended when I listen to my film scores, not sure about you. Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 14 minutes ago, KK said: I prefer to be offended when I listen to my film scores, not sure about you. Goodness. Fetch me my smelling salts! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,287 Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 2 hours ago, Jurassic Shark said: Once again, we have to turn to a Scandinavian store to see the soundtrack listed: https://www.imusic.dk/cd/0190758113425/john-williams-2018-post-o-s-t-compact-disc Not a bad price tag. Huh? On 11/17/2017 at 12:37 PM, Chewy said: Release date set to January 12! And it's coming out on Sony https://www.amazon.com/dp/B077HP1DVD/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,030 Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 10 minutes ago, Jay said: Huh? Never mind the imperialistic Amazon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Tom 4,639 Posted November 21, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted November 21, 2017 Has the cover been posted yet? If not, here it is: Jay, Pieter Boelen, Ricard and 2 others 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 I see it on the Amazon page. At least one OST cover this December/January will have "Composed and Conducted" on it!! Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,287 Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 Nice cover Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Smeltington 1,436 Posted November 21, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted November 21, 2017 Can't they take the elevator Obi, Jurassic Shark and Will 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 1 hour ago, Disco Stu said: Goodness. Fetch me my smelling salts! You know what I am doing Mr. Stu? I am placing my thoughts elsewhere as you chatter away. Disco Stu 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,030 Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 18 minutes ago, Tom said: Has the cover been posted yet? If not, here it is: Didn't they find longer stairs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 5 minutes ago, KK said: You know what I am doing Mr. Stu? I am placing my thoughts elsewhere as you chatter away. Mister KK! Am I to take it that after all the years I have been in this forum you have nothing else to say to me? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,030 Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 24 minutes ago, Disco Stu said: Mister KK! Am I to take it that after all the years I have been in this forum you have nothing else to say to me? Dude, he's breaking up with you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 KK told me: "It's not Stu, it's me." Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,030 Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 Just now, BloodBoal said: KK told me: "It's not Stu, it's me." Right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 TheUlyssesian 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 41 minutes ago, Disco Stu said: Mister KK! Am I to take it that after all the years I have been in this forum you have nothing else to say to me? Mister Stu, I would ask you to keep your voice down. What would the other JWFanners think to hear us shouting at the top of our voices about...the post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,030 Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 2 minutes ago, KK said: Mister Stu, I would ask you to keep your voice down. What would the other JWFanners think to hear us shouting at the top of our voices about...the post. I sense a greater underlying issue here... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,984 Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 4 hours ago, KK said: People here are taking these casual critic remarks way too personally. Williams doesn't need any of us to defend his work, he's doing just fine on his own. I'm sure The Post will be a pleasant but inoffensive work. I'm actually quite interested in this one. Is he going for his noble Americana? Maybe something more jazzy? Or maybe it's more of a thriller? I'm actually intrigued. Karol Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 2 minutes ago, crocodile said: I'm actually quite interested in this one. Is he going for his noble Americana? Maybe something more jazzy? Or maybe it's more of a thriller? I'm actually intrigued. Karol Haven't you read the expert reviews? It's boring and doesn't stand out! Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,984 Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 4 minutes ago, Disco Stu said: Haven't you read the expert reviews? It's boring and doesn't stand out! As long as it is the right type of boring, I'm good. Karol Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 1 minute ago, crocodile said: I'm actually quite interested in this one. Is he going for his noble Americana? Maybe something more jazzy? Or maybe it's more of a thriller? I'm actually intrigued. Karol Given the criticism so far, it'll probably just be scaled back noble Americana (aka The Timeless Call 2). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,984 Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 2 minutes ago, Not Mr. Big said: Given the criticism so far, it'll probably just be scaled back noble Americana (aka The Timeless Call 2). "Criticism so far"? You mean one half-quote from god-knows-who? OK so there are no marches, thundering action set pieces and cute scherzos. Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will 2,215 Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 13 hours ago, Smeltington said: Can't they take the elevator Track 1. The Broken Elevator, and Climbing the Stairs 2. The Copy Machine 3. The Great Type-Setting Etc. This will be gripping. (I felt like I had to make another obligatory boring track list joke, even though I'm actually hyped for this film/score.) Jurassic Shark and Smeltington 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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