Danny Elfman's JUSTICE LEAGUE (2017)

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3 minutes ago, BloodBoal said:

 

Are you saying that because they both look a bit like you?

 

They are two quite handsome gentlemen.

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*Burp*

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13 minutes ago, Matt C said:

 

Elfman is not discarding everything they did. In that same interview, he said he referenced the Wonder Woman theme from BvS -- and I would not be surprised if he referenced Zimmer's own Superman theme in addition to the Williams theme. 

From that interview, it seems like the WW theme and maybe bits of Zimmer's Supes theme are the only bits staying. He even hinted that he isn't keeping the Batman theme from BvS but instead putting in his own old one.

 

Something that was clear from the moment Elfman replaced Junkie - there won't be that same sense of musical continuity between BvS and JL the way there was with MoS/BvS. Same goes for the film itself....

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BVS and MOS were already worlds apart, visually.

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30 minutes ago, antovolk said:

From that interview, it seems like the WW theme and maybe bits of Zimmer's Supes theme are the only bits staying. He even hinted that he isn't keeping the Batman theme from BvS but instead putting in his own old one.

 

Something that was clear from the moment Elfman replaced Junkie - there won't be that same sense of musical continuity between BvS and JL the way there was with MoS/BvS. Same goes for the film itself....

 

 

I can understand why some Snyder fans are angry about the composer switch, but it happens in the entertainment industry. And now they're blathering about how it's "no longer a Zack Snyder film" because Elfman is on board.

[Disco Stu 15,495]

It was no longer a Zack Snyder film once they brought Whedon on to take over.  You don't bring on someone like Whedon if you just need someone to complete an existing vision.  He's too much of a distinct artist in his own right.

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1 minute ago, Matt C said:

 

I can understand why some Snyder fans are angry about the composer switch, but it happens in the entertainment industry. And now they're blathering about how it's "no longer a Zack Snyder film" because Elfman is on board.

On its own, like BR2049, that's different....but now, it's Whedon - don't forget.

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Snyder will be the credited direcor, but it seems like Whedon has been allowed to reshape the film from its original intentions.

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[Bilbo 3,709]

I am actually genuinely looking forward to this score. Elfman has always nailed this genre.

 

It would be great if both the film and the score were well received and studios started to move away from the RCP shite for superhero films. 

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I have faith in Whedon and Elfman!

[crocodile 7,984]

I thought they started doing that with Silvestri's Marvel scores.

 

Karol

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I'd hope that Elfman would only agree to do it if he didn't get meddling from studio heads wanting a RCP clone.

 

I seem to remember we had a similar fear when he did Terminator Salvation and we got a proper orchestral score.

[Holko 9,499]

Elfman was the only reason I even had a speck of interest for this, but now after these news I consider joining a friend group watching it at the cinema. (I very rarely watch movies at the cinema.)

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56 minutes ago, Stefancos said:

Snyder will be the credited direcor, but it seems like Whedon has been allowed to reshape the film from its original intentions.

 

58 minutes ago, antovolk said:

On its own, like BR2049, that's different....but now, it's Whedon - don't forget.

 

I know Whedon is responsible for the final film, but he didn't reshoot the whole film from scratch. He wrote additional scenes to connect the action scenes better and improved the film. (Like Tony Gilroy did for Rogue One.)

 

It should be interesting watching the film and see how smoothly the new scenes work with Snyder's set-pieces.

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15 minutes ago, Matt C said:

 

 

I know Whedon is responsible for the final film, but he didn't reshoot the whole film from scratch. He wrote additional scenes to connect the action scenes better and improved the film. (Like Tony Gilroy did for Rogue One.)

 

It should be interesting watching the film and see how smoothly the new scenes work with Snyder's set-pieces.

 

One faction of wisdom would say that a film is really truly directed and made in the editing room. I do some editing on the side for very small scale things and I can tell you that while not entirely true, the role editing plays in creating a film (specially modern film) is monumental. And as Whedon has the reigns to that, he will surely have a huge impact.

 

This film will be like a frankenstein monster. I would be watching just to see how the two diametrically opposite styles mesh and if the film works at all.

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Whedon will have brought forward Wonder Woman.

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1 hour ago, BloodBoal said:

JUSTICE LEAGUE

 

Directed by Zack Snyder

Reshaped And Improved By Joss Whedon

 

Music* Composed, Arranged and Improved by Danny Elfman.

 

*Superman Theme by John Williams

[James 119]

Probably Superman theme material will be Williams-Zimmer. In the interview Elfman says that JW Superman's March will only appear in a certain scene of 2 minutes. Wonder Woman will get what she has. Batman, on the other hand, for what he says, will have a new theme that will be reminiscent of what he wrote in 1989. 

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3 minutes ago, James said:

 will have a new theme that will be reminiscent of what he wrote in 1989. 

 

This is what I'm guessing.  It will be a development/variation of his original, which is very much tied to the Burton gothic art deco thang.

[Lord Zimmer 211]

No one liked the Bruce Wayne theme? The one that plays when Bruce is prepping to go to Lex's party.

 

 

I didn't like his action cue, that was clearly Junkie going Mad Max with it.

[Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488]

Sounds like it was temp tracked with Elfman's Batman theme. The final result is like generic substitute music for when you want to achieve a Batman-esque sound. Even the trumpet motif, which I liked, was obviously ripped off from Goldenthal's Batman & Robin score.

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Speaking of Goldenthal, It's funny how he managed to brood and go deep into psychology of the main character more successfully than any other Batman composer... in Schumacher films (!). This kind of material would have worked wonders for the broken Batfleck of Snyder films.

 

 

Karol

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meh, think they shoulda stuck with the Elfman theme for those movies. Or a variation of it. 

[Romão 2,274]

Even with  all the zanny, hyperactive music in those scores, Goldenthal really captured some serious pathos and melancholy with those scores

[crocodile 7,984]

I don't know. While I like his Batman scores a lot, his Batman theme itself was always bit weak compared to Walker's or Goldenthal's. The energy is there but there's too little theme in a theme... if that makes sense.

 

Karol

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They are more tragic. They work best with the character.

[Disco Stu 15,495]

Elfman's theme perfectly captured that version of the franchise.  Goldenthal's was perfect for Schumacher's.  They're both excellent composers who provide what a film calls for!

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3 minutes ago, crocodile said:

I don't know. While I like his Batman scores a lot, his Batman theme itself was always bit weak compared to Walker's or Goldenthal's.

 

Karol

 

It's curious how opinions can vary I think Elfman's theme is a much more definitive musical depiction  of the character than any of the subsequent themes (specially this musical phrase heard here):

 

 

It's the sole camp where I think Elfman has the upperhand. On the other hand, I vastly prefer Goldenthal's underscore and remaining thematic material. I'm really really fond of his Batman theme, but I think that one is somewhat a more generic super hero theme, as awesome as it is

 

[Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488]

I used to rewind my Batman Returns VHS tape over and over again to listen to that part.

[crocodile 7,984]

Oh I love this score. But as a melody I always preferred the other two... as more defined melodies.

 

 

Karol

[Romão 2,274]

Batman truly has been blessed with a plethora of great themes (not recently, though)

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[crocodile 7,984]

I'm mostly interested whether there is going to be a 2-disc DE album from Watertower.

 

Karol

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4 minutes ago, crocodile said:

Oh I love this score. But as a melody I always preferred the other two... as more defined melodies.

 

 

Karol

I have never gotten the love for Walkers Batman music. It sounds so generic to me and don't get that feeling like: This is Batmans music.

2 minutes ago, Romão said:

Batman truly has been blessed with a plethora of great themes, though (not recently, though)

 

Thats what you get for being the best. 

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[Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488]

 

What killed the Batman scores? The Zimmer age!

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[crocodile 7,984]

If you want a good Wayne theme from a modern Batman film then this one would be it. Shame it was abandoned by the third film. Well... by the second one really...

 

 

Karol

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yall need Jesus.

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24 minutes ago, crocodile said:

I don't know. While I like his Batman scores a lot, his Batman theme itself was always bit weak compared to Walker's or Goldenthal's. The energy is there but there's too little theme in a theme... if that makes sense.

 

 

17 minutes ago, crocodile said:

Oh I love this score. But as a melody I always preferred the other two... as more defined melodies.

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I get what you mean. Both of Elfman's earlier forays into superhero themes - Batman and Spiderman - are graced with slippery themes. They are majestic themes and have a sense of scope and a stunning world-building drive to them, but they are a bit elusive.

 

Not so his last superhero theme - for New Avengers. That was a balls to wall power anthem like theme and was fantastic.

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1 minute ago, TheUlyssesian said:

 

 

I get what you mean. Both of Elfman's earlier forays into superhero themes - Batman and Spiderman - are graced with slippery themes. They are majestic themes and have a sense of scope and a stunning world-building drive to them, but they are a bit elusive.

 

Not so his last superhero theme - for New Avengers. That was a balls to wall power anthem like theme and was fantastic.

If Justice League is anything like this then I'll be happy.

 

Karol

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12 minutes ago, crocodile said:

If you want a good Wayne theme from a modern Batman film then this one would be it. Shame it was abandoned by the third film. Well... by the second one really...

 

 

Karol

 

That's not the Bruce Wayne theme though, it's sort of a Thomas/Martha and eventually Rachel "memory" theme.

 

The Bruce theme is the second half of this, and I reckon it's the best theme the character has ever gotten.  There's an incredible sense of yearning and pathos to it that is never really touched on in other incarnations.  

 

 

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3 minutes ago, TheGreyPilgrim said:

 

That's not the Bruce Wayne theme though, it's sort of a Thomas/Martha and eventually Rachel "memory" theme.

 

The Bruce theme is the second half of this, and I reckon it's the best theme the character has ever gotten.  There's an incredible sense of yearning and pathos to it that is never really touched on in other incarnations.  

 

 

Thank you apostole @TheGreyPilgrim! I was lost but now I'm found!

 

Karol

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