#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted June 26, 2017 Share Posted June 26, 2017 Good question! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mephariel 451 Posted June 26, 2017 Share Posted June 26, 2017 14 minutes ago, publicist said: I doubt Horner ever was this influential (explained, of course, by the fact that Horner's house style was very traditional). But i forgot: why IS Zimmer/RCP leading the pack if not by general success? General success is a factor for sure. I can't imagine it NOT being a factor. But RCP/Zimmer are the not only composers to have general success. James Newton Howard, Danny Elfman, Giacchino are all up there. And I don't think Elfman is leading the pack. Probably not Giacchino either. To me, it is probably a combination of factors: 1. They make successful movies. 2. Their music is modernized/masculine/pop/rock based which attracts a legion of young people. 3. They are good composers/makes good music. 4. They make music that is simplistic and accessible, focusing on emotional payoff. The cool factor. 5. They have better promotions of their music. 6. They really push for collaboration with celebrity musicians. Probably all of the above plus others that I don't know or can't think of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted June 26, 2017 Share Posted June 26, 2017 1 minute ago, Mephariel said: 1. They make successful movies. 2. Their music is modernized/masculine/pop/rock based which attracts a legion of young people. 3. They are good composers. 4. They make music that is simplistic and accessible, focusing on emotional payoff. The cool factor. 5. They have better promotions of their music. 6. They really push for collaboration with celebrity musicians. Zimmer does all of that, which is why he's the most successful and influential film composer working today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mephariel 451 Posted June 26, 2017 Share Posted June 26, 2017 Just now, Stefancos said: Zimmer does all of that, which is why he's the most successful and influential film composer working today. I agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted June 26, 2017 Share Posted June 26, 2017 And his films have made more money than practically anyone's! Tot up all the earnings from all the films Zimmer did, than count up how much Beck's films made in total. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mephariel 451 Posted June 26, 2017 Share Posted June 26, 2017 Just now, Stefancos said: And his films have made more money than practically anyone's! Tot up all the earnings from all the films Zimmer did, than count up how much Beck's films made in total. Yeah sure. But statistically speaking, there is no correlation between making more money dollar by dollar and being influential. Alan Silvestri made more total than Junkie XL or Giacchino. But I would argue both are more popular than Silvestri by a huge margin. Newton Howard is third on the list and not that far from Zimmer and he is not influential at all. I think being hugely successful obviously helps. But statistically, I don't think the number 4 guy is more influential than the number 7, etc. It is not clear cut that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted June 26, 2017 Share Posted June 26, 2017 3 hours ago, karelm said: You might be a little new here kid so I will cut you some slack. Yes, HZ is a perfect example of someone who has rarely done much for me musically and that is my opinion. I will add that after spending 100 bucks on his masterclass, his musical input is worthless and that I expected. I was warned by people I respect about it and got what I expected. His business saviness is absolutely worth 100 bucks and worth hearing. His musical thoughts were not and that was what I expected. Get used to the idea of different opinions kid. Correct, your list of music by HZ is basically serviceable and he would agree. Bullshit that he is mimicked because he led the charge. He is mimicked because the films he happens to score make a lot of money. He is not on par with Herrmann, Goldsmith, Horner, or Elfman. Probably closer to a more successful Brian Tyler. i think you're a dickhead for posting this. Sharkissimo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted June 26, 2017 Share Posted June 26, 2017 If you are using your list as "statistics" to prove a point then I think you are blatantly and possible deliberately ignoring certain critical factors. Like the length of a composers career. Or the fact that JunkieXL started out as a succesful DJ and therefore was already a known name before entering into film music etc. I don't disagree wuth some of your opinions. But the "facts" as you report them here are seriously shaky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mephariel 451 Posted June 26, 2017 Share Posted June 26, 2017 1 minute ago, Stefancos said: If you are using your list as "statistics" to prove a point then I think you are blatantly and possible deliberately ignoring certain critical factors. Like the length of a composers career. Or the fact that JunkieXL started out as a succesful DJ and therefore was already a known name before entering into film music etc. I don't disagree wuth some of your opinions. But the "facts" as you report them here are seriously shaky. Actually length of composer's career is the reason I prefer to use box office grossing per picture at first. To me, per picture makes hell of a lot more sense than total box office because like you said, the only reason some of the guys made so much money is because they been around forever. But either way, I think we can agree that Zimmer is probably influential because of a number of factors (some we discussed above), and not just because he always scores the highest box office (per picture wise, Giacchino smokes him here). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted June 26, 2017 Share Posted June 26, 2017 Zimmer's brilliance as a film composer of influence lies in the fact that he created a business that uses his style, which is very appealing and recognisable and easy to understand for a lot of film makers and turned it into a house style. a trade-able commodity that can be used by a variety of composers. Even if you can't afford Zimmer, or he's not available, you can get a score that sounds just like Zimmer. Wonder Woman for instance. Now followers and fans of individual composers of the MV/RCP mold can probably distinguish between individual composers. However the general public cannot. And most of Hollywood can't either. On a business level it really is brilliant. Like Starbucks is undoubtedly a brilliant business concept. Arpy and Bilbo 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mephariel 451 Posted June 26, 2017 Share Posted June 26, 2017 2 minutes ago, Stefancos said: Zimmer's brilliance as a film composer of influence lies in the fact that he created a business that uses his style, which is very appealing and recognisable and easy to understand for a lot of film makers and turned it into a house style. a trade-able commodity that can be used by a variety of composers. Even if you can't afford Zimmer, or he's not available, you can get a score that sounds just like Zimmer. Wonder Woman for instance. Now followers and fans of individual composers of the MV/RCP mold can probably distinguish between individual composers. However the general public cannot. And most of Hollywood can't either. On a business level it really is brilliant. Like Starbucks is undoubtedly a brilliant business concept. Agree on nearly everything you said. Zimmer basically built an empire with his business model. I think Zimmer's understanding why pop/rock songs are successful really helped him. At the end, for 99% of the public, good music simply means music that grabs you. A song has to grab you in some way no matter how good or bad the lyrics are or it won't be popular. If you can have a model that can duplicate that type of simplistic, accessible, powerful music over and over again, you can be really successful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted June 26, 2017 Share Posted June 26, 2017 Bilbo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,331 Posted June 26, 2017 Share Posted June 26, 2017 There will come a generation that will revolt against the Zimmer sound. Why? Kids want to form their own identity and be a part of their own culture. There will come a 'next thing'. We only don't know what that is yet. Who knows, maybe Ariana Grande or Drake will eventually become film composers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted June 26, 2017 Share Posted June 26, 2017 Take good care of your CD collection, Alex! It's a testament to a more evolved age! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted June 26, 2017 Share Posted June 26, 2017 Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,331 Posted June 26, 2017 Share Posted June 26, 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted June 26, 2017 Share Posted June 26, 2017 The new John Williams! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,331 Posted June 26, 2017 Share Posted June 26, 2017 Ariana Grande set to compose new score for 2001: A Space Odyssey remake! TheUlyssesian and Gnome in Plaid 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkissimo 1,973 Posted June 26, 2017 Share Posted June 26, 2017 7 hours ago, Stefancos said: Even if you can't afford Zimmer, or he's not available, you can get a score that sounds just like Zimmer. Wonder Woman for instance. Rubbish example. To use a winemaking analogy, Woman Woman is the third pressing of Zimmer's grapes. Acceptable, but far from the real deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted June 26, 2017 Share Posted June 26, 2017 But the average guy wouldn't know the difference: that's what Stiff was trying to say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karelm 2,913 Posted June 26, 2017 Share Posted June 26, 2017 7 hours ago, Koray Savas said: i think you're a dickhead for posting this. Yeah, you are right. I was. @Mephariel, I apologize. Was in a mood yesterday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mephariel 451 Posted June 27, 2017 Share Posted June 27, 2017 13 hours ago, karelm said: Yeah, you are right. I was. @Mephariel, I apologize. Was in a mood yesterday. Don't worry about it. We are all just passionate about our view points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jwfan2234 59 Posted June 27, 2017 Share Posted June 27, 2017 Can we keep this about Dunkirk 😂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted June 27, 2017 Share Posted June 27, 2017 39 minutes ago, Jwfan2234 said: Can we keep this about Dunkirk 😂 Please! Do you have iTunes credit? I will buy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo 3,709 Posted June 27, 2017 Share Posted June 27, 2017 The trailers are excellent and I am ready for this. I'm very intrigued by it. It looks like it just just be a perfectly executed but conventional war movie. Like Nolan will do it simple but nail it. No Inception style head scratching. Plus Spitfires. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted June 27, 2017 Share Posted June 27, 2017 9 minutes ago, Bilbo Skywalker said: Plus Spitfires. Yes! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karelm 2,913 Posted June 28, 2017 Share Posted June 28, 2017 4 hours ago, Bilbo Skywalker said: The trailers are excellent and I am ready for this. I'm very intrigued by it. It looks like it just just be a perfectly executed but conventional war movie. Like Nolan will do it simple but nail it. No Inception style head scratching. Plus Spitfires. Yeah, I am looking forward to this but please dear god no horrific "intentionally" bad sound or horrific "love is the force that transcends time" dialog from a scientist or Matt Damon cameo. This film does have the potential to be great but I will reserve judgement till I see/hear it. I guess I seem to prefer my Chris Nolan in more of an indie movie mode. Bilbo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted June 28, 2017 Share Posted June 28, 2017 Interstellar has great sound! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted June 28, 2017 Share Posted June 28, 2017 Except for the unforgivable 'Quantifiable Connection' which was sadly distorted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted June 28, 2017 Share Posted June 28, 2017 Oh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted June 28, 2017 Share Posted June 28, 2017 6 hours ago, karelm said: Yeah, I am looking forward to this but please dear god no horrific "intentionally" bad sound or horrific "love is the force that transcends time" dialog from a scientist or Matt Damon cameo. But a Matt Damon cameo could help connect that film to Saving Private Ryan and thus solidify Nolan's position as the next Spielberg! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karelm 2,913 Posted June 28, 2017 Share Posted June 28, 2017 6 hours ago, BloodBoal said: But a Matt Damon cameo could help connect that film to Saving Private Ryan and thus solidify Nolan's position as the next Spielberg! Hey, you're right! Matt Damon was already in France for the European theater so a cameo would be cool! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted June 28, 2017 Share Posted June 28, 2017 Except American troops weren't in France until D-Day (1944) and the Dunkirk evacuation was 1940..... Bilbo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,331 Posted June 28, 2017 Share Posted June 28, 2017 It's why the film will flop in America. It's not about America first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post karelm 2,913 Posted June 28, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted June 28, 2017 35 minutes ago, Disco Stu said: Except American troops weren't in France until D-Day (1944) and the Dunkirk evacuation was 1940..... 13 minutes ago, Alexcremers said: It's why the film will flop in America. It's not about America first. Both your problems will be simply addressed by the whole film being a flashback as 1944 Matt Damon is told of the story of Dunkirk thereby also making the story American-centrist. Bilbo, Arpy and Will 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted June 28, 2017 Share Posted June 28, 2017 Brilliant! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted June 28, 2017 Share Posted June 28, 2017 On 6/25/2017 at 8:13 PM, crocodile said: I have always found it interesting that those 3 films give Bruce Wayne (and his Batman creation) a very symmetric art. It starts with a man who tries to conquer his fear in order to become a symbol. Then he becomes completely submerged and obsessed to the point he isn't afraid of anything anymore...and is ultimately broken. Emotionally first, then physically. At the end, he needs to rediscover fear to become human again. Karol ...and all of this is masterfully framed by Hans and JNH. Cerebral Cortex and Unlucky Bastard 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted June 28, 2017 Share Posted June 28, 2017 Bruce Wayne is and always will be the least interesting character in Batman. Bilbo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,006 Posted June 28, 2017 Share Posted June 28, 2017 At least Nolan made me care about him in the end. Never happened before. Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antovolk 95 Posted July 7, 2017 Author Share Posted July 7, 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted July 7, 2017 Share Posted July 7, 2017 A bit monotonous...(and very reminiscent of 'The Dark Knight'). James 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MedigoScan 324 Posted July 7, 2017 Share Posted July 7, 2017 Man I need context for this. I am sure it goes well with whatever scene from the movie. Also antovolk, if you hate ticking, then you'd better buckle up Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted July 7, 2017 Share Posted July 7, 2017 On 29/06/2017 at 0:39 AM, crocodile said: At least Nolan made me care about him in the end. Never happened before. Karol I prefer the Batfleck! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antovolk 95 Posted July 7, 2017 Author Share Posted July 7, 2017 1 minute ago, MedigoScan said: Man I need context for this. I am sure it goes well with whatever scene from the movie. Also antovolk, if you hate ticking, then you'd better buckle up I've seen the prologue and watched the trailers and spots on repeat multiple times so am adequately ready for that aspect LOL. I'm seeing it in 6 days, not long to wait Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 2,835 Posted July 7, 2017 Share Posted July 7, 2017 Needs more ostinato Will and A24 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted July 7, 2017 Share Posted July 7, 2017 24 minutes ago, publicist said: A bit monotonous... "A bit"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MedigoScan 324 Posted July 7, 2017 Share Posted July 7, 2017 I imagine this is one of those perfect cases where microedits would have been allowed (and then the movie version was twice as long anyway) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted July 7, 2017 Share Posted July 7, 2017 Rumors say that 10 minutes were edited out of this track. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted July 7, 2017 Share Posted July 7, 2017 2 minutes ago, BloodBoal said: "A bit"? Do not anger the pilgrim with your malicious tongue! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted July 7, 2017 Share Posted July 7, 2017 Well, that's...disappointing Gnome in Plaid and James 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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