Naïve Old Fart 9,520 Posted August 25, 2017 Share Posted August 25, 2017 4 hours ago, crumbs said: What is track 26 - The Visitors-Bye-End Titles (The Special Edition) on the Deluxe Edition then? Confused. That would correspond the RESOLUTION AND END TITLES, on the OST, if that's any help. 4 hours ago, Jay said: CE3K deserves the same treatment Jaws, Jaws 2, and 1941 got, wouldn't you say? I certainly would say! 4 hours ago, Incanus said: Would CEO3K fit on a single disc? The short answer is "no". I once saw a 2-disc boot, but I have no idea what was on it. What amazed me the most, is that JW actually signed it! If one wishes to include THE ELEVENTH COMMANDMENT, THE PILLOW, INSIDE THE MOTHERSHIP, and THEME FROM CE3K (at the very least) it would need to be spread over two discs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,353 Posted August 25, 2017 Share Posted August 25, 2017 The complete score, IE, ignoring alternates and just selecting one version of each cue, is under 80 minutes so would fit on one disc. You need two discs if you want to include all the alternates recorded, the source music, the disco theme, the LP program, etc etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,520 Posted August 25, 2017 Share Posted August 25, 2017 Yes, please! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amer 2,104 Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 Can some one tell me if FALSE ALARM used on the expanded cd is a different take? It appears to be slightly different in the film. Or is it mixed differently because the choir sounds more prominent in the film. I always enjoyed the OST album even though its truncated; it is so well paced. From the full score perspective, it isn't complete at all but to me it stands as a concept album more like a classical album than a score album. When the new expansion comes out -I would love to hear it remastered and using the original master tapes as a reconstruct. I know I will not be disappointed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,353 Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 I am pretty sure that all of Bouzereau's expansions - 1996 ET, 1998 CE3K, 2000 Jaws, and 2002 ET - use incorrect takes at times. He doesn't have the attention to detail that Matessino or Neil Bulk do; I am really thankful they take the time to compare every take and make sure to present all the same takes and intercuts as chosen for the film. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 Did he use incorrect takes on the 2008 Indiana Jones set? Amer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,353 Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 Probably; I've never studied it, personally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amer 2,104 Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 Also the STAR WARS Anthology set had a few wrong takes of the 'Main Title' from A NEW HOPE which Matessino was quick to identify and rectify in the RCA Victor set. RICHARDSTRAUSS68 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,313 Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 4 hours ago, Sally Spectra said: Did he use incorrect takes on the 2008 Indiana Jones set? Well Map and To Pankot Palace from TOD are both alternates, does that count? No idea if that was intentional. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 13 minutes ago, crumbs said: Well Map and To Pankot Palace from TOD are both alternates, does that count? No idea if that was intentional. I don't think they did very thorough research on the cues as they obviously included what are most likely original versions of the pieces VS the final film versions that are either rewritten alternate takes or with inserts and/or sweeteners in most cases. And yes we don't know if this was intentional or just a bit sloppy work. Amer and crumbs 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amer 2,104 Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 13 minutes ago, crumbs said: Well Map and To Pankot Palace from TOD are both alternates, does that count? No idea if that was intentional. To me these are pure alternates as they differ significantly from their film versions. Unless the film versions were combinations of revised sections. 1 minute ago, Incanus said: I don't think they did very thorough research on the cues as they obviously included what are most likely original versions of the pieces VS the final film versions with alternate takes or with inserts and/or sweeteners in most cases. And yes we don't know if this was intentional or just a bit sloppy work. I wont say this was sloppy work since the project was rushed and Bouzerau had to fight to keep as much as new music (from what I remember reading on this forum) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 Williams wrote quite a few revisions, alternates, sweeteners and inserts for TOD. And the 2008 box didn't include any of them, just the original orchestral cues it seems, often missing overlays like the dance orchestra for The Night Club Brawl or the added choir and percussion for To Pankot Palace. Amer and crumbs 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,520 Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 6 hours ago, azahid said: Can some one tell me if FALSE ALARM used on the expanded cd is a different take? It appears to be slightly different in the film. Or is it mixed differently because the choir sounds more prominent in the film. azahid, the short answer is, "no...I think". The long answer is complex. First of all, one has to remember that, for over 20 years, the only way that one could hear FALSE ALARM, was surrounded by dialogue, and sound effects. Coupled with that, the film (multi-channel) mix of a score will sound different to a CD (two-channel) mix of that same score. Musical elements are sometimes emphasised, or, indeed, de-emphasised, according to the needs of the film, and the personal preferences of the composer/producer/engineer, etc. I have just listened to FA, and I can tell you that, after living with both film and score for nigh-on 40 years, and having watched it in a variety if ways (cinema/TV/videotape/DVD/Blu) and in a variety of sound formats, ranging from mono, to DTS Master Audio 5.1, I can honestly say that it sounds the same, and it feels the same. I know that this may not be the definitive answer, but it is a deeply personal one. It's an answer which is born out of love and respect for both film, and score. I hope that this helps. Ricard and Amer 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amer 2,104 Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 6 minutes ago, Richard said: azahid, the short answer is, "no...I think". The long answer is complex. First of all, one has to remember that, for over 20 years, the only way that one could hear FALSE ALARM, was surrounded by dialogue, and sound effects. Coupled with that, the film (multi-channel) mix of a score will sound different to a CD (two-channel) mix of that same score. Musical elements are sometimes emphasised, or, indeed, de-emphasised, according to the needs of the film, and the personal preferences of the composer/producer/engineer, etc. I have just listened to FA, and I can tell you that, after living with both film and score for nigh-on 40 years, and having watched it in a variety if ways (cinema/TV/videotape/DVD/Blu) and in a variety of sound formats, ranging from mono, to DTS Master Audio 5.1, I can honestly say that it sounds the same, and it feels the same. I know that this may not be a definitive answer, but it is a deeply personal one. I hope that this helps. Thanks Richard.It could very much be the same cue albeit mixed differently for the film. If you recall Exsultate Justi on EMPIRE OF THE SUN also had a different mix in the film whereas the album version sounded different along with the small edit made in the middle (I was very pleased to get the film version with LLL release) crumbs and Naïve Old Fart 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,353 Posted August 30, 2017 Share Posted August 30, 2017 Quote Soooooo looking forward to tonight I feel like a kid on Christmas eve! MV http://filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=121154&forumID=1&archive=0 Ricard and RICHARDSTRAUSS68 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,520 Posted August 30, 2017 Share Posted August 30, 2017 Monsieur Jay...I envy you. Ricard 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Frank Vincent 234 Posted August 30, 2017 Share Posted August 30, 2017 La-La Land posted this on the FSM message board: Quote Watch the skies...or, in this case, the La-La Land facebook page at 10:01 pm pst tonight! Disco Stu and Amer 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted August 30, 2017 Share Posted August 30, 2017 Ha! And Jason said they weren't clues!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricard 2,245 Posted August 30, 2017 Share Posted August 30, 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Vincent 234 Posted August 30, 2017 Share Posted August 30, 2017 That's 7 o'clock in the morning over here. I will set my alarm and go back to sleep after I've freaked out, I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,520 Posted August 30, 2017 Share Posted August 30, 2017 10:01pm PST. This means something. This is important. Damn it, I know what this is! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted August 30, 2017 Share Posted August 30, 2017 1am here. I'll be asleep. Any news can wait til morning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,520 Posted August 30, 2017 Share Posted August 30, 2017 Listen to me, JWfan. This is an event sociological. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,313 Posted August 30, 2017 Share Posted August 30, 2017 I have no idea what that post could possibly mean. Oh wait, yes I do! Mike Matessino's Close Encounters Expanded Edition here we come! Amer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,353 Posted August 30, 2017 Share Posted August 30, 2017 1 hour ago, FrankV said: La-La Land posted this on the FSM message board: Please, always link to the source when you post news like this. http://filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=121154&forumID=1&archive=0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,313 Posted August 30, 2017 Share Posted August 30, 2017 So how do people expect MM has sequenced the album? Complete chronological score (theatrical version) on disc 1, OST assembly + alternates + Special Edition cues on disc 2 (same as 1941)? I can't wait to hear another 70's Williams score remastered with modern technology. Hopefully someone gets a chance to chat with Matessino about the release. Amer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Vincent 234 Posted August 31, 2017 Share Posted August 31, 2017 5 minutes ago, Jay said: Please, always link to the source when you post news like this. http://filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=121154&forumID=1&archive=0 Sorry, I forgot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,193 Posted August 31, 2017 Share Posted August 31, 2017 10 minutes ago, crumbs said: So how do people expect MM has sequenced the album? Complete chronological score (theatrical version) on disc 1, OST assembly + alternates + Special Edition cues on disc 2 (same as 1941)? That seems logical. 10 minutes ago, crumbs said: I can't wait to hear another 70's Williams score remastered with modern technology. I'll be happy if it sounds as good as the 98 Arista. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneBuckFilms 319 Posted August 31, 2017 Share Posted August 31, 2017 Zey belong here, Mozambique. Ricard and Amer 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amer 2,104 Posted August 31, 2017 Share Posted August 31, 2017 Tick tock..tick tock! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,313 Posted August 31, 2017 Share Posted August 31, 2017 Wouldn't it be funny if this was a bait & switch and they only announce a reissue of Always? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted August 31, 2017 Share Posted August 31, 2017 Or the expanded sets of Star Wars or Harry Potter! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,313 Posted August 31, 2017 Share Posted August 31, 2017 Is it too late for another poll? Expansions of Star Wars vs Harry Potter vs Close Encounters! EDIT: Holy crap! E.T.!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Vincent 234 Posted August 31, 2017 Share Posted August 31, 2017 It's not Close Encounters , but E.T. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted August 31, 2017 Share Posted August 31, 2017 I think it would be nirvana if the labels pulled out E.T. and CEO3K in the same year. crumbs and Bilbo 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corellian2019 386 Posted August 31, 2017 Share Posted August 31, 2017 Still holding out hope! Would be a shame to miss CETK's 40th anniversary. At this rate, it might be a Black Friday release Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted August 31, 2017 Share Posted August 31, 2017 Black Friday will be either Harry Potter or several releases of John Williams. It wouldn't be very nice to call two normal releases a reason to "start saving" one year in advance. MM won't disappoint us. Bilbo and crumbs 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,353 Posted August 31, 2017 Share Posted August 31, 2017 http://www.jwfan.com/forums/index.php?/topic/27686-close-encounters-of-the-third-kind-expanded-edition-also-coming-from-la-la-land/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted August 31, 2017 Share Posted August 31, 2017 It is good to be a John Williams fan these days! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted August 31, 2017 Share Posted August 31, 2017 Indeed! And I saw the other thread too late. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amer 2,104 Posted August 31, 2017 Share Posted August 31, 2017 Finally. Well as they say "Keep watching the skies" Now for the arduous part of waiting..... We should get more bits of info from LLL and MM in coming weeks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted August 31, 2017 Share Posted August 31, 2017 We know it's coming. Isn't that enough for now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,353 Posted August 31, 2017 Share Posted August 31, 2017 I plan on enjoying ET for now and worrying about CE3K's info later. We got The Last Jedi in the mix this fall as well! Bilbo and crumbs 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,520 Posted August 31, 2017 Share Posted August 31, 2017 ...and THE PAPERS, or THE POST, or whatever they're calling it, today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,353 Posted August 31, 2017 Share Posted August 31, 2017 Oh geez you're right, how could I forget? crumbs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amer 2,104 Posted August 31, 2017 Share Posted August 31, 2017 10 minutes ago, Stefancos said: We know it's coming. Isn't that enough for now? We have been aware that they were coming since many years! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted August 31, 2017 Share Posted August 31, 2017 3 minutes ago, Jay said: Oh geez you're right, how could I forget? Yes, how could someone possibly forget The Post? Bilbo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted August 31, 2017 Share Posted August 31, 2017 11 minutes ago, Jay said: Oh geez you're right, how could I forget? Because it's not Star Wars, Indiana Jones or Harry Potter? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted August 31, 2017 Share Posted August 31, 2017 2 hours ago, BloodBoal said: Yes, how could someone possibly forget The Post? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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