Josh500 1,615 Posted July 8, 2017 Share Posted July 8, 2017 Do you know this score, and if yes, how would you rate it!? I only know the main theme, not the entire score, and I just saw the OS album for around 40 bucks! Should I get it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,326 Posted July 8, 2017 Share Posted July 8, 2017 A very good and untypical album. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,984 Posted July 8, 2017 Share Posted July 8, 2017 Good score. Wish I could find the album at the reasonable price. But then, something tells me it will be re-released eventually. Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,326 Posted July 8, 2017 Share Posted July 8, 2017 26 minutes ago, crocodile said: But then, something tells me it will be re-released eventually. Making another of my original and rare CDs worthless. Story of my life! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lewya 360 Posted July 8, 2017 Share Posted July 8, 2017 Good, but nothing really special. Not one of his weakest or strongest. 3.5 stars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted July 8, 2017 Share Posted July 8, 2017 12 minutes ago, Alexcremers said: Making another of my original and rare CDs worthless. Story of my life! Just sell it while it's still rare! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,326 Posted July 8, 2017 Share Posted July 8, 2017 No! I like having the original CD and you never know what they'll do with the mastering of the re-release. Josh500 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo 3,709 Posted July 8, 2017 Share Posted July 8, 2017 Nobody panic but..... THIS IS IN THE WRONG SECTION!!!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted July 8, 2017 Share Posted July 8, 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post publicist 4,643 Posted July 8, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted July 8, 2017 I love this score - some era-related cheese notwithstanding. It's the last of those relaxed, imaginative americana scores from the 70's in the best sense: a melodic fusion of blues, jazz and Copland. Only traces of 'Rosewood' have brought that back to the table and find it sad JW so seldom utilizes this side of his talent. Incanus, A24, Sharkissimo and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,647 Posted July 8, 2017 Share Posted July 8, 2017 I give The River an 8 out of 10, and it kicks ass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted July 8, 2017 Share Posted July 8, 2017 I prefer Springsteen's The River. Bilbo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,499 Posted July 8, 2017 Share Posted July 8, 2017 There's always one...(actually, THE RIVER is, by far, my fave BS record). For all its stum und drang, I prefer JW's other 1984 score. It's a gentle love-song to a bucolic, and rural way of life, and the film is easily the best of the "down on the farm" movies, from that era. THE ANCESTRAL HOME is fabulous. STORM CLOUDS GATHER (main title) isn't too shabby, either. Its Oscar© nomination was well-deserved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,471 Posted July 8, 2017 Share Posted July 8, 2017 Love THE RIVER. Nostalgic, rural and melancholic Americana with a definite jazz tinge. But in the pantheon of Williams' output, I probably wouldn't rate it higher than 3.5. Josh500 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,713 Posted July 8, 2017 Share Posted July 8, 2017 The River is a lovely score in a vein I would love to hear more from Williams these days (Rosewood came close to this territory in great style). A 4 star score for me. I recommend getting it if you can for a reasonable price (40$ seems a tad too much) but as Karol says above it might be re-released eventually. Josh500 and BrotherSound 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miguel Andrade 1,260 Posted July 8, 2017 Share Posted July 8, 2017 I love The River. I don't like ratting this things, but I come back to some of the tracks on a rather regular basis. Back in the mid 90's when the CD was released, it was yet another of those surprises, as one was quickly acknowledging the variety of styles Williams was able to work on. In recent years, it has been a joy to pick the 1984 released LP and play it. For some reason, despite sound quality issues, I really have a kick listening to this one on vinyl. Naïve Old Fart and Stempel 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,625 Posted July 8, 2017 Share Posted July 8, 2017 I like it mostly for the The Ancestral Home Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted July 8, 2017 Author Share Posted July 8, 2017 6 hours ago, crocodile said: Good score. Wish I could find the album at the reasonable price. But then, something tells me it will be re-released eventually. Karol Sure. But nothing ever replaces the ORIGINAL SOUNDTRACK album. Never forget that! 1 hour ago, Incanus said: The River is a lovely score in a vein I would love to hear more from Williams these days (Rosewood came close to this territory in great style). A 4 star score for me. I recommend getting it if you can for a reasonable price (40$ seems a tad too much) but as Karol says above it might be re-released eventually. The thing is, I have the Main Title, from the Japanese Filmworks. And I love it! Jazzy, upbeat, kind of Western-ish. I'd love to hear the rest of the score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkissimo 1,973 Posted July 8, 2017 Share Posted July 8, 2017 You really should. There's so variety within the rest of the score. The Tractor Scene for example is one of Williams's finest suspense cues. A masterclass in the careful application of pedal points and atonal pitch sets to ratchet up tension, as Sissy Spacek's arm gets trapped in a tractor's drive chain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo 3,709 Posted July 8, 2017 Share Posted July 8, 2017 7 hours ago, Richard said: There's always one...(actually, THE RIVER is, by far, my fave BS record). Thank you, it was an important record in my career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,499 Posted July 8, 2017 Share Posted July 8, 2017 In that case: in 1980, it sounded thin, and compressed, but the recent remaster sounds good. Love the THE TIES THAT BIND box-set! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo 3,709 Posted July 8, 2017 Share Posted July 8, 2017 I think I did a fine job in 1980 considering I wasn't born for another 9 years! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,174 Posted July 8, 2017 Share Posted July 8, 2017 The River is a good score. A really good one, in fact. One of those that have grown a lot in my appreciation over the years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted July 9, 2017 Share Posted July 9, 2017 11 hours ago, Richard said: THE ANCESTRAL HOME is fabulous. 9 hours ago, king mark said: I like it mostly for the The Ancestral Home This! I once bought it as a completist and listened to it twice. After several years I rediscovered it and found out that it is much better than his other unknown works like Stanley and Iris, The Accidential Tourist, Sabrina and Always. But THE ANCESTRAL HOME is definitely the highlight of the score! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted July 9, 2017 Share Posted July 9, 2017 No. It's just the most typical 'film music' cue with a big string crescendo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,499 Posted July 9, 2017 Share Posted July 9, 2017 Yeah, of course it is, but...as a "typical 'film music' cue with a big string crescendo" goes, it's pretty darn good! 4 hours ago, Brundlefly said: ...it is much better than his other unknown works like...The Accidential Tourist... THE RIVER is a fine score, to be sure, but...better than THE ACCIDENTAL TOURIST, JW's quiet masterpiece? Iffy, Seth, definitely iffy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted July 9, 2017 Share Posted July 9, 2017 It's the most conventional part of the score and sells it short. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,499 Posted July 9, 2017 Share Posted July 9, 2017 Maybe "conventional" is what Rydell wanted? Anyway, its crescendo is a good way of stating the triumph-in-the-face-of-tragedy aspect of the scene, the "let's really stick it to Scott Glenn's character" bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted July 9, 2017 Share Posted July 9, 2017 It's good, but also the most typical cue which is why i said it shouldn't be the piece by which the score is judged. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted July 9, 2017 Author Share Posted July 9, 2017 OK, I decided to get this after all. "The River" is the only JW album I still have missing, I realized. 40 bucks for a used but in like-new condition is just too good an opportunity to pass up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miguel Andrade 1,260 Posted July 9, 2017 Share Posted July 9, 2017 I guess that if I had to pick a favourite track would be Rain Clouds Gather... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted July 9, 2017 Share Posted July 9, 2017 I don't own it, but I have a digital copy that I downloaded many years ago. Really nice score. Would love for it be re-issued or expanded so I can buy it. The Rydell/Williams Collaboration is oft-overlooked and produced some great blues/jazz-influenced quintessentially American-sounding scores. I still wish Williams had scored On Golden Pond for him. And lest we forget, it was the Rydell/Williams Collaboration that begat the Spielberg/Williams Collaboration! Stempel 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted July 9, 2017 Share Posted July 9, 2017 Grusin's score is very good, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted July 9, 2017 Share Posted July 9, 2017 I'm not a big fan. It's good, but I don't think it's a classic as many do. I would've loved to have heard Williams' take. Ah well, he was a bit busy around '80-'81... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balahkay 627 Posted July 9, 2017 Share Posted July 9, 2017 I'm not very familiar with this score, yet. Is this the one that ended Williams Golden Era? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted July 9, 2017 Share Posted July 9, 2017 1 hour ago, Disco Stu said: I'm not a big fan. It's good, but I don't think it's a classic as many do. I would've loved to have heard Williams' take. Ah well, he was a bit busy around '80-'81... The pastoral theme is ace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted July 9, 2017 Author Share Posted July 9, 2017 I love the gorgeous flute solos.... An early precursor to the flute solos from War Horse? Or JW channeling Smetana (Die Moldau)? Either way, an underrated score. So glad I found this finally! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,713 Posted July 9, 2017 Share Posted July 9, 2017 7 minutes ago, Josh500 said: I love the gorgeous flute solos.... An early precursor to the flute solos from War Horse? Or JW channeling Smetana (Die Moldau)? Either way, an underrated score. So glad I found this finally! On the whole the flute material is a bit more jazzy/bluesy (the love theme) and Americana in style than something in e.g. War Horse but you can also clearly spot some similarities as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,480 Posted July 10, 2017 Share Posted July 10, 2017 I always loved this album, the theme is great. I can't say I really remember the rest of the score, but this album always was ln my top albums of JW to add to my collection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,499 Posted July 10, 2017 Share Posted July 10, 2017 THE ANCESTRAL HOME, GROWING UP, THE PONY RIDE, OLD FRIEND'S FAREWELL, RAIN CLOUDS GATHER, FROM FARM TO FACTORY: THE RIVER is chock full o' goodies! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted July 10, 2017 Share Posted July 10, 2017 The last track, "Young Friends Farewell," is essentially a trio of guitar, harp, and flute (with only very light string backing) and it's absolutely gorgeous. Although now I'm listening back, it's really duo of guitar and flute with just a little harp and just a little strings. Either way. A highlight of Williams in the 80s for sure, that track. Bespin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted July 10, 2017 Share Posted July 10, 2017 Sign, typical JWFAN revisionism. The River is the best John Williams score of the 80's! Untill it gets replaced by Always, of course... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted July 10, 2017 Share Posted July 10, 2017 17 minutes ago, Stefancos said: Sign, typical JWFAN revisionism. The River is the best John Williams score of the 80's! Alternate theory: there's a different group of people on the board than the point in time you're comparing to? Either way, it's far from his best scores. Doesn't mean we can't appreciate it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted July 10, 2017 Share Posted July 10, 2017 Just you wait! It will happen! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete 905 Posted July 10, 2017 Share Posted July 10, 2017 "Growing Up" is my favorite Williams guitar piece. Young Friends Farewell and Pony Ride are the other pieces I return to the most. Ancestral Home comes in fourth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,287 Posted July 10, 2017 Share Posted July 10, 2017 I own the OST album (Bought it when it was still in print, luckily) but haven't listened to it too many times. I should revisit it! Josh500 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted July 10, 2017 Author Share Posted July 10, 2017 2 hours ago, Jay said: I own the OST album (Bought it when it was still in print, luckily) but haven't listened to it too many times. I should revisit it! Definitely! There are many JW soundtracks, which I very rarely listen to and which I should revisit: The Witches of Eastwick, Rosewood, Stanley and Iris, The Accidental Tourist, Spacecamp, etc. I barely know these soundtracks, except maybe for a single track or two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,287 Posted July 10, 2017 Share Posted July 10, 2017 Stanely and Iris is great, but I like Pete N Tillie more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted July 10, 2017 Author Share Posted July 10, 2017 5 minutes ago, Jay said: Stanely and Iris is great, but I like Pete N Tillie more I got the new release the moment it came out, but I haven't listened to that one even once.... I'm too busy listening to Star Wars, Indiana Jones, and Jurassic Park! Damn! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,471 Posted July 10, 2017 Share Posted July 10, 2017 I've listened to every single Williams soundtrack many, many times. But I always enjoy returning to those less-talked-about, like THE RIVER. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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