Kasey Kockroach 2,343 Posted May 26, 2018 Share Posted May 26, 2018 I like that he even bothered to have his own lead theme at all, when he could have easily just reprised the Williams theme every scene and general audiences would have been happy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcus 390 Posted May 26, 2018 Share Posted May 26, 2018 32 minutes ago, Sharky said: But surely not every Star Wars film needs to be a Greek tragedy, and likewise should every Star Wars score have a grand, classical, choric function in the vein of The Last Jedi? You risk fatiguing an audience that way. I think there's room in these non-saga films and scores for burlesque and a general lightness of touch. Oh, definitely. And I really hope we get to see and hear as many and as varied musical takes on them as possible. It's a fun challenge to pay homage to a legacy, while at the same time retaining a sort of playful disobedience towards it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,343 Posted May 26, 2018 Share Posted May 26, 2018 It's funny Powell's latest animation score is one his most low-key, while this is one of his most energetic live-action scores. Usually the other way around and all that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUMENKOHL 1,068 Posted May 26, 2018 Share Posted May 26, 2018 3 minutes ago, Marcus said: Oh, definitely. And I really hope we get to see and hear as many and as varied musical takes on them as possible. It's a fun challenge to both pay homage to a legacy, while at the same time retaining a sort of playful disobedience towards it. When are you signing up for a Star Wars? I’d be interested in your take, assuming it wouldn’t be a pastiche! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcus 390 Posted May 26, 2018 Share Posted May 26, 2018 As soon as I'm asked! Haven't done much film scoring as of late, but scoring two now, one of which will have a major international release... It would take no small measure of luck, and the right connections, but I'd do it in a heartbeat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveMc 2,674 Posted May 26, 2018 Share Posted May 26, 2018 2 hours ago, Sharky said: The Godfather Part III is the greatest of the trilogy. No. Absolutely and completely no. 2 hours ago, Sharky said: The Sopranos and Breaking Bad are both morally repugnant. Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mephariel 451 Posted May 26, 2018 Share Posted May 26, 2018 My biggest controversial opinion is probably that I think Danny Elfman's Spider-man theme is the best superhero theme ever made, not John Williams' superman theme. That and I think Fight Club is an overrated movie. But with this one, I think I just failed to get the movie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,343 Posted May 26, 2018 Share Posted May 26, 2018 Every time I hear that three note motif in Lando's Closet and The Good Guy, I keep expecting the Jurassic Park theme to start. Oswin Pond 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post artguy360 1,842 Posted May 26, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted May 26, 2018 Having listened to the OST twice through now, this is easily the most successful JW score follow up by a different composer that I can recall. There are very few pastiche moments and Powell integrates JW's music very well with his own style. I'm not sure he succeeds 100% in his attempt to create the same kind of "flow" JW has in his music, but it's pretty close. cameron.osborn, Holko, Not Mr. Big and 6 others 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,270 Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 5 hours ago, kaseykockroach said: I'm not saying this as a comparison to Rogue One (as I don't remember anything about that score except his scoring the big Vader slaughter at the end), but I like that Powell saves the big popular Star Wars themes for near the end (probably hinted at before for all I know, but L3 and the Millenium Falcon is when he finally fully grants a cameo). Just feels more earned and satisfying that way getting to that point. I think these count as little cameos: Also the early Imperial March references, the major key "recruitment" version and then again with Han in battle is pretty overt. I can't remember if there were any others but yeah, on the soundtrack "L3 & The Millennium Falcon" has the first big OT reference, I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artguy360 1,842 Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 I really like how JP resurrected the ANH Star Destroyer music for Reminiscence Therapy. It's a fun inclusion along with most of the other OT material in that cue. Breadstick Basilisk 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,343 Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 Had a feeling there were references I was missing, but L3 and the Falcon seems like the first time a cameo draws any attention to itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breadstick Basilisk 108 Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 32 minutes ago, mrbellamy said: I think these count as little cameos: That spot always makes me think of Goldsmith's SUPERGIRL. Will and Cerebral Cortex 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post artguy360 1,842 Posted May 27, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted May 27, 2018 BTW I think Meet Han works far better as the opening track of the album with The Adventures of Han as the final track, a kind of cleaner, celebration of the main themes with a very golden-age opening fanfare. I love the low brass that starts Meet Han. A really moody intro to a SW score that doesn't attempt to match the Main Titles at all. The Illustrious Jerry, Not Mr. Big, Ricard and 5 others 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,343 Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 If this were an Intrada CD, it'd be at the end as a "Bonus Track/Demos/The Extras". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 5 hours ago, Disco Stu said: I trust only @Margo Channing‘s opinion on this subject Okay. Dunaway plays the shrieking, hysterical monster that Tina's book portrays. Lange plays a deeply flawed and insecure human being. Kasey Kockroach and Ricard 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artguy360 1,842 Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 Has anyone come up with a custom play order yet? So far I've moved The Adventures of Han to the end and got rid of the source cue song. I'm listening through the OST to build a satisfying order that doesn't start out with so much action music right off the bat. I'm either gonna move or delete Corellia Chase. I wish the OST included the end credits suite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkissimo 1,973 Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 33 minutes ago, Margo Channing said: Okay. Dunaway plays the shrieking, hysterical monster that Tina's book portrays. Lange plays a deeply flawed and insecure human being. Faye transforms herself into Joan, abstracting her into something between a Kabuki onnagata and the goddess Juno. It's a stylized rather than "realistic" performance, but so what? Joan was a highly stylized actress. Lange is far too studied, feline and delicate, carrying herself like a porcelain doll that will break at any moment. Joan would've slapped her silly. Ricard 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,343 Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 10 minutes ago, artguy360 said: Has anyone come up with a custom play order yet? So far I've moved The Adventures of Han to the end and got rid of the source cue song. I'm listening through the OST to build a satisfying order that doesn't start out with so much action music right off the bat. I'm either gonna move or delete Corellia Chase. I wish the OST included the end credits suite. Someone here ordered it as the OST has it, just getting rid of Corellia Chase. It's funny some of you guys can't handle that stuff. I would say you sound like old men that have heart attacks upon hearing the music kids listen to these days, but my grandpa's surprisingly really liking this one (to my relief). A. A. Ron 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Mephariel 451 Posted May 27, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted May 27, 2018 Wait, people actually don't like Corellia Chase? That is one of the best tracks of the album for me. It is really an age thing or something? Because you guys are making me feel really young. Holko, Breadstick Basilisk, Loert and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,343 Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 I don't get it either, but what the hey, I'm happy even those weirdos are finding SOME level of enjoyment with this! I've been playing this score practically non-stop the past couple days, and haven't gotten tired of hearing the whole thing in order. I'm only taking a break now because I need to, not because I WANT to! Ferdinand is a masterpiece of his that slowly but surely wins you over. This one just grabs you and doesn't let go! You're either ready for the ride or you'd better get off! Who knows, TFA and TLJ's attempts at action sound so stiff and emotionless in comparison, this is probably quite jarring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,270 Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 "Corellia Chase" is an awesome highlight on its own but I get that it arguably makes a better playlist to cut it and start off with "Meet Han" and "Spaceport" so that the music is focusing and developing the "Han - Searching" theme first in a similar mood across two tracks, building intensity with just a little hint of the "Han - Hero" theme. Then "Flying with Chewie" gives you all the action of "Corellia Chase" while also introducing Chewie's theme and the gang theme, and that way it's more satisfying to have the first big statement of the "Han - Hero" theme be more of a climax rather than just throwing it upfront. Then Chewie's theme leads into the musical journey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,343 Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 Yeah, I like that flow too. It's like comparing an album to the complete score. Even though this isn't the complete score. Hopefully I'm making sense. But.... Good GOD Into the Maw is AMAZZIIIIIIIIINNNNNGGGG. You can just feel the orchestra close to a breaking point at the mercy of Powell's power. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 4,889 Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 One thing I really like about JP is that he seems in touch with his fanbase; communicating with them on social media, etc. Too bad we can't badger JW about his music on Facebook... Not Mr. Big 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,343 Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 I know! The opportunity to have anything of particular poignancy to say to him or ask him anything is there, but I don't know what to say or ask! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 1 hour ago, Mephariel said: Wait, people actually don't like Corellia Chase? That is one of the best tracks of the album for me. It is really an age thing or something? Because you guys are making me feel really young. It's perfectly in line with the rest, but one of the handful of cues that i can easily lose because it's just too uniformly loud - and the theme it employs pops up 500 other times through the score. 8 hours ago, Sharky said: - Showgirls is actually a good film. It really isn't but at least it's entertaining in a smut, back-alley kind of way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,270 Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 Corellia Chase, Kasey Kockroach and SteveMc 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artguy360 1,842 Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 Corellia Chase is fine on its own but I don't like having so much action music at the start of the album and the themes it features are featured entirely throughout the OST. It's easy to lose it and make a slimmer playlist without losing much. Generally speaking, I will often cut out what I feel is not particularly interesting action music in favor of a better listening experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 Something like 'Train Heist' perfectly balances old and new - and features actual balance between orchestral sections, for change. The Illustrious Jerry 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,343 Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 Ya bunch of wrinkled old geezers! If ya can't take the action music, get outta the kitchen! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ocelot 508 Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 9 hours ago, Sharky said: Funny, I'm the opposite. I really liked the main theme (it has a yearning English folk song quality), but can give or take the rest of the score. 9 hours ago, crocodile said: Ignoring the main theme, which I'm not a fan of, JW is probably one of Giacchino's stronger film works. Karol I like some of Gia's scores (shocking) but I didn't like a lot of Jurassic World. The theme seemed like he didn't have an idea and took the slow theme from JP and turned it upside down. To me he isn't really an all out orchestral composer and with Rogue One he just didn't even have time to really do something with that, so even though it's just meh, I don't know if I could have written half of that in the time he had. Maybe a cue? lol I am slow as a composer. Listening to Solo, I love how different it is because it is in the hands of an orchestral composer, who is utilizing and honoring Williams but still making it sound totally like his own score, because it should be!!! If I have a gripe or two, I just don't like the "as I call it, the synth drum layering" but other than that and one section in one of the earlier cues ending that sounded like Avatar/Enya, I really love the Solo score. Anyway, where was I... I was thinking, bring Powell into the Marvel movies (is he there already?) AND Giacchinno (I know he did Spiderman). I really like Gia on things like Incredibles and Ratatouille. Wouldn't he be brilliant on Ant-Man? It's totally his cup of tea. Action/Comedy/Family, or if they bring Fantastic 4 into Marvel (depending on whether Disney or Comcast gets Fox) put him on FF4. He would shine, IMHO. 4 minutes ago, kaseykockroach said: Ya bunch of wrinkled old geezers! If ya can't take the action music, get outta the kitchen! I am old!!!!! lol. I love the action music, just take off those layered drums that hide the beauty of his writing in favor of repeating whacking on top of our heads and in our ears for no reason but to try and make is sound "Modern". It's a modern score without it. The harmonic language is modern in terms of film scores and I love those voices everywhere. They remind me of the thrown out score Gabriel Yared did for Troy and also the beautiful score Dario Marinelli did for Agora. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post publicist 4,643 Posted May 27, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted May 27, 2018 2 minutes ago, ocelot said: I was thinking, bring Powell into the Marvel movies (is he there already?) Why punish the guy? Will, Bilbo, Not Mr. Big and 1 other 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ocelot 508 Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 4 minutes ago, publicist said: Why punish the guy? Haha, I think he would soar in the big movies. He has the chops to not only be modern sounding and bombastic which Marvel likes and we can hear in Solo, layered drums and all which is perfect for Marvel, but also maybe give some much needed themes too and bring in a more orchestral flavor to some scores. Silvestri is already in there doing it, get Powell on it. The Illustrious Jerry and Will 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,343 Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 No. Give Powell an INTERESTING movie. Besides, that percussion is what he's always done. Just as playing with syths is what Goldsmith did (and I love 'em, and some people don't). You can't say you don't like that aspect of his action music, then say he needs to get those action superhero movies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 I don't need talented composers wasting away months on harebrained Marvel garbage. I mean, i don't need 'Rio 4' or 'HttyD 3' either, but there has to be some middle ground. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ocelot 508 Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 1 minute ago, kaseykockroach said: No. Give Powell an INTERESTING movie. Besides, that percussion is what he's always done. Just as playing with syths is what Goldsmith did (and I love 'em, and some people don't). You can't say you don't like that aspect of his action music, then say he needs to get those action superhero movies. I didn't say that. I don't like it personally in Star Wars, I have no problem with it elsewhere. I actually adore his Bourne movies and HTTYD etc etc!!!! And there are a lot of interesting Marvel movies. They aren't all the same. He isn't going to be doing Avengers, those are taken by Silvestri now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,343 Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 At least animated movies generally offer a bit more color than the superhero sameness. ocelot 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ocelot 508 Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 1 minute ago, publicist said: I don't need talented composers wasting away months on harebrained Marvel garbage. I mean, i don't need 'Rio 4' or 'HttyD 3' either, but there has to be some middle ground. I love the Marvel movies. They have a great person heading it that has a trajectory that is met with all the movies leading up to it. You have full on bombastic Avengers, they bring in Taiko for Thor 3 and it's fantastic, Black Panther was good, I love the heist comedy of Ant Man, etc etc. I wish Kathleen Kennedy would learn from it for Star Wars. She's hemorrhaging fans on each movie. 1 minute ago, kaseykockroach said: At least animated movies generally offer a bit more color than the superhero sameness. Agreed! OK, heading out for the evening. Chat to you all tomorrow xox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 Just now, ocelot said: I love the Marvel movies. They have a great person heading it that has a trajectory that is met with all the movies leading up to it. You have full on bombastic Avengers, they bring in Taiko for Thor 3 and it's fantastic, Black Panther was good, I love the heist comedy of Ant Man, etc etc. I wish Kathleen Kennedy would learn from it for Star Wars. She's hemorrhaging fans on each movie. You honestly watch that stuff for 'entertainment'? Yikes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,343 Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 There's some splendid variety in Powell's animation scores (because, again, animation isn't a genre), it's just most people don't want to bother giving it a chance because it's animated and therefore inherently less worthy of attention than the score to Logan or Shape of Water or Black Panther or what have you . But I stopped caring about that awhile ago. It's a shame, but what the hey, more for me. Powell does whatever movie he wants, and if he wants to do Rio and that's what makes him happy, that's none of my business. I pretty much put the superhero movies in the same category as Star Wars. It's fun to watch discussions on them, but talking about them compels me more than actually watching it. They make money, so I guess it's what people want and it's what makes them happy. They're not for me, so I just shrug and move on to things I am into, be it something offered by the mainstream or digging through the dirt in other ways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breadstick Basilisk 108 Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 Anyone else frustrated by the obnoxious short volume dip at 1:13 of "Marauders Arrive"? I was listening with earbuds and it was painfully obvious; at first thought it was maybe my individual rip of the CD that had a problem, but when I checked Spotify and YouTube, sure enough it was there too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,343 Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 Don't hear anythin', chum. That cover sure is the pits though. I should probably change it to something more appealing in my digital library.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Dragonspartax 3 Posted May 27, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted May 27, 2018 13 hours ago, Matt C said: I thought the score was enjoyable in the film, but I fucking hated the synthy percussion. Powell, it is an SW film, not How to Train Your Dragon. And Powell lays on the Williams references a bit too thickly, especially during the Kessel run, where he jumps from "The Asteroid Field" to the Rebel fanfare and back again. But there are some really lovely quieter moments that channel Wiliams without quoting the themes. I need to see the movie again before I buy the soundtrack. This is exactly what I thought about the score. Your problems are identical to mine. The "RCP" percussion adds absolutely nothing (and as you said sounds like How to Train your Dragon) to what's going on and in fact covers up his work. I also thought the call backs were too heavy handed during the Kessel Run. I would have preferred an original piece specific to the Kessel Run similar to how Williams writes different pieces for action scenes. The percussion just annoys me and I'm a percussionist myself. As a good friend of mine said way back in the 7th grade, "Percussion is like salt, too much and you ruin the plate. Too little and the food needs a little spice. When you get it just right it's perfect", or something along those lines. All that being said, I thought the soundtrack was fantastic without the RCP percussion as it sounds distinctly Star Wars and retains the tone and style of fast moving brass and strings perfectly. 1977, leeallen01 and Bofur01 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breadstick Basilisk 108 Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 Listen with headphones or something. It's extremely obvious, at least in lossless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Lockdown 238 Posted May 27, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted May 27, 2018 I like this cover. The Illustrious Jerry, Breadstick Basilisk and Ricard 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,343 Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 I have been for quite awhile! xD Though fortunately for my sanity, I'm taking a break. And eugh, it's just the colors on that cover is what looks ugly to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 2 hours ago, Sharky said: Faye transforms herself into Joan, abstracting her into something between a Kabuki onnagata and the goddess Juno. It's a stylized rather than "realistic" performance, but so what? Joan was a highly stylized actress. Lange is far too studied, feline and delicate, carrying herself like a porcelain doll that will break at any moment. Joan would've slapped her silly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lockdown 238 Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 Speaking of Marauders Arrive, does anyone hear Jupiter Ascending at all? Arpy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,343 Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 No, just beautiful she-demons ascending from Hell on flaming motorcyles whenever I hear that cue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lockdown 238 Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 Just now, kaseykockroach said: No, just beautiful she-demons ascending from Hell on flaming motorcyles whenever I hear that cue. Listen to the strings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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