The Illustrious Jerry 3,356 Posted September 26, 2018 Share Posted September 26, 2018 That Imperial March in Mimban Battle Part I! What part of the film is Don't Hold Your Breath from? That brass opening on Break In! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted September 26, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted September 26, 2018 1 hour ago, crumbs said: Wow! That horn solo in Don't Hold Your Breath is simply sublime! Really shows the malleability and beauty of John's themes, as if we didn't already know. Superb. Yep, that's definitely Williams Taikomochi, crumbs, SteveMc and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Illustrious Jerry 3,356 Posted September 26, 2018 Share Posted September 26, 2018 Chills from Qi'ra contacts You-Know-Who. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted September 26, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted September 26, 2018 Just now, The Illustrious Jerry said: Chills from Qi'ra contacts You-Know-Who. Voldemort?! Smaug The Iron, ocelot and A. A. Ron 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Illustrious Jerry 3,356 Posted September 26, 2018 Share Posted September 26, 2018 I knew that was coming. Damn HP fans! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post mrbellamy 6,287 Posted September 26, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted September 26, 2018 23 minutes ago, Not Mr. Big said: Yep, that's definitely Williams I keep thinking how it’s pretty funny that between “Adventures of Han” and its excerpt in “Reminiscence Therapy” plus the high likelihood that this “Don’t Hold Your Breath” segment and the finale of “Dice and Roll” are the old man, it’s like a mini bonus John Williams Solo score for JWFan to unlock. Will, crumbs, Not Mr. Big and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CGCJ 394 Posted September 26, 2018 Share Posted September 26, 2018 John Powell's posted a video of the 3m18s Chicken in the Pot vocals session: SteveMc and Loert 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Parker 3,040 Posted September 26, 2018 Share Posted September 26, 2018 53 minutes ago, CGCJ said: John Powell's posted a video of the 3m18s Chicken in the Pot vocals session: Hell yeah! Interesting that the performance was locked to the film, would've thought they'd just record the track free. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,526 Posted September 26, 2018 Share Posted September 26, 2018 Also, a clever way to watermark the footage. If anything leaks, it'll be quite obvious who did it. Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Parker 3,040 Posted September 26, 2018 Share Posted September 26, 2018 2 hours ago, Holko said: Also, a clever way to watermark the footage. If anything leaks, it'll be quite obvious who did it. "There's more than one John Powell in the world, you know! What makes you think it was me!?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will 2,215 Posted September 26, 2018 Share Posted September 26, 2018 @Not Mr. Big and @Manakin Skywalker, what's the Coaxium maybe-JW cue that's been referred to in this thread? Is it something Manakin has posted on YouTube? (I haven't seen the film so I don't really know what people are referring to when they talk about a scene ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Guest Posted September 26, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted September 26, 2018 25 minutes ago, Will said: @Not Mr. Big and @Manakin Skywalker, what's the Coaxium maybe-JW cue that's been referred to in this thread? Is it something Manakin has posted on YouTube? (I haven't seen the film so I don't really know what people are referring to when they talk about a scene ) I don't even know what they're referring to either... I think maybe "Don't Hold Your Breath" from the end of the film when Han and Enfys are talking about the coaxium and the rebellion. Currently finishing up a few more cues. @Holko the part of Mine Mission you were talking about actually seems to be a pitch-changed loop using music from the first half of the track, so if that is correct then the cue is complete as is on the album. Will, Holko and The Illustrious Jerry 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post crumbs 14,315 Posted September 26, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted September 26, 2018 7 hours ago, Not Mr. Big said: Yep, that's definitely Williams If it isn't Williams, it's the best Williams impersonation I've heard from another composer. The cue's thematic development, the progression of orchestration, the classic build-up to the big statement of Han's Theme, and the fragments of his secondary theme, just excellent scoring. Trademark modern Williams, especially the experimentation with Han's A Theme towards the end of the cue (not being slavish to the melodic line as introduced). Reminds me of the way Williams structured the last half of Remembering Emilie and Finale from War Horse, with a touch of that noble warmth in his Lincoln writing. Begins with his main idea on a solo instrument (piano for War Horse, horn here) before gradually folding in the rest of the orchestra as the cue progresses. There's no non-Williams themes in the cue either, lending further credence to the theory. It also strikes me as a cue Williams would've wanted to score, considering it's the emotional climax of Han's arc. A real shame it wasn't on the OST though. Hopefully the FYC has it. Will, The Illustrious Jerry, Holko and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Will 2,215 Posted September 26, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted September 26, 2018 Hot damn, this cue is good! Bofur01, Holko and SteveMc 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Parker 3,040 Posted September 27, 2018 Share Posted September 27, 2018 21 minutes ago, crumbs said: Trademark modern Williams, especially the experimentation with Han's A Theme towards the end of the cue (not being slavish to the melodic line as introduced). Every other post, it seems that I discuss Williams' prowess with thematic melodies, more specifically everything outside of the melodies themselves. Well, you list another one of his great strengths here. I love that Williams, beyond simple methods such as "I'll make minor melody major" really tampers with the DNA of a given melody in a variety of ways, being recognizable while also maintaining a sense of fluidity and spontaneity (no "I wrote the theme this way, this is how it must be!") The first Star Wars example to come to mind: Will and Not Mr. Big 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,315 Posted September 27, 2018 Share Posted September 27, 2018 Yes, he has an extraordinary ability to play around with the DNA of this melodies so they're still recognisable despite switching out notes here or there, or going from minor to major, etc. Then when he layers in some counterpoint... wowee. Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CelMech 8 Posted September 27, 2018 Share Posted September 27, 2018 Love this one. Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,287 Posted September 27, 2018 Share Posted September 27, 2018 15 hours ago, Holko said: 15 hours ago, mrbellamy said: Definitely one of my favorite bits of the score. There was another little variation of Han's theme that I loved that I don't think is on the OST, believe it was right after the train heist when Beckett, Han, Chewie are talking before they head to Paul Bettany. Just remember a really nice atmospheric solo trumpet thing with the three of them on that mountain. Wonder if anyone knows what I'm yakking about. It's in Manakin's track "Dryden's Yacht". Thank ya, thank ya. Yeah, love this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Holko 9,526 Posted September 27, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted September 27, 2018 @Manakin Skywalker, isn't the previously unidentified piece in the Credits the finale of Hyperspace? If so, you can make Hyperspace a bit cleaner with it. Will, Manakin Skywalker and crumbs 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bofur01 245 Posted September 27, 2018 Share Posted September 27, 2018 Fabulous work Manakin! Just in case it’s not been mentioned already, there’s a little music, including a quiet Enfys Nest theme, as the gang plan the conveyex heist with binoculars. Don’t think you have that? Manakin Skywalker 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Illustrious Jerry 3,356 Posted September 27, 2018 Share Posted September 27, 2018 Great work @Manakin Skywalker! Manakin Skywalker 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will 2,215 Posted September 27, 2018 Share Posted September 27, 2018 23 hours ago, crumbs said: If it isn't Williams, it's the best Williams impersonation I've heard from another composer. The cue's thematic development, the progression of orchestration, the classic build-up to the big statement of Han's Theme, and the fragments of his secondary theme, just excellent scoring. Trademark modern Williams, especially the experimentation with Han's A Theme towards the end of the cue (not being slavish to the melodic line as introduced). Reminds me of the way Williams structured the last half of Remembering Emilie and Finale from War Horse, with a touch of that noble warmth in his Lincoln writing. Begins with his main idea on a solo instrument (piano for War Horse, horn here) before gradually folding in the rest of the orchestra as the cue progresses. There's no non-Williams themes in the cue either, lending further credence to the theory. It also strikes me as a cue Williams would've wanted to score, considering it's the emotional climax of Han's arc. A real shame it wasn't on the OST though. Hopefully the FYC has it. "Don't Hold Your Breath" actually does contain multiple Powell themes. See, e.g.: Thus, the first half of the track is definitely not JW. Of course, that doesn't necessarily mean the second half isn't him. Not Mr. Big 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,348 Posted September 27, 2018 Share Posted September 27, 2018 Is that statement of the "Meet Han" music tracked? it almost sounds like it to me. Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 27, 2018 Share Posted September 27, 2018 16 hours ago, Holko said: @Manakin Skywalker, isn't the previously unidentified piece in the Credits the finale of Hyperspace? If so, you can make Hyperspace a bit cleaner with it. I looked into it and it turns out it isn't part of Hyperspace. Not only is it in a different key, but the orchestration is different as well. Am I missing anything else (besides source music, which is pretty much unobtainable)? I can't seem to find anything more. Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,315 Posted September 27, 2018 Share Posted September 27, 2018 30 minutes ago, Will said: Thus, the first half of the track is definitely not JW. Of course, that doesn't necessarily mean the second half isn't him. Yeah I specifically meant from the horn solo onwards. It's two different cues in that one clip, 0:00-1:40 then 1:40-3:35 for the potential Williams part. Not Mr. Big and Will 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted September 27, 2018 Share Posted September 27, 2018 1 minute ago, crumbs said: Yeah I specifically meant from the horn solo onwards. It's two different cues in that one clip, 0:00-1:40 then 1:40-3:35 for the potential Williams part. I'll eat my own ass if that isn't Williams crumbs and Will 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,315 Posted September 27, 2018 Share Posted September 27, 2018 Once Solo cues start being added to that music database we'll probably get a clearer idea of which cues JW composed, as he should be listed as composer. Although the fact his themes were adapted by Powell throughout the score might complicate that; JW could receive a co-composer credit on any cue featuring his themes (ala the cues for JW:FK that used his JP theme). Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,042 Posted September 28, 2018 Share Posted September 28, 2018 2 hours ago, Not Mr. Big said: I'll eat my own ass if that isn't Williams Meh...aside from the fact that it's obviously all based on material that we know Williams wrote, I don't hear anything definitively Williams-ish about that particular cue. I could imagine Powell penning that arrangement. Nothing definitively non-Williams-ish either, of course, so I ain't saying you're wrong. Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted September 28, 2018 Share Posted September 28, 2018 1 hour ago, Datameister said: Meh...aside from the fact that it's obviously all based on material that we know Williams wrote, I don't hear anything definitively Williams-ish about that particular cue. I could imagine Powell penning that arrangement. Nothing definitively non-Williams-ish either, of course, so I ain't saying you're wrong. Really? There are a ton of very specific Williamsisms all throughout the cue. Like the War Horse-esque descending major chords, the Phantom Menace-esque brass writing, the woodwind resolve at the end, etc crumbs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Guest Posted September 28, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted September 28, 2018 Alright so I did find out that "Don't Hold Your Breath" is in fact two separate cues, AND I found a completely clean version of the first half of the second part, including a completely clean opening. I will be re-uploading them both shortly. crumbs, Will and Bofur01 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loert 2,511 Posted September 28, 2018 Share Posted September 28, 2018 I love how clear and sparkly the triangle sounds here, never quite heard it this way before. Also: Frickin' awesome! This is quite different from the original... Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,287 Posted September 28, 2018 Share Posted September 28, 2018 Similar to the "Flying with Chewie" version but the trumpet calls are a bit different. Loert and Will 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Will 2,215 Posted September 29, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted September 29, 2018 How great is this? Locrius, Loert and Bofur01 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post crumbs 14,315 Posted September 29, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted September 29, 2018 On 9/28/2018 at 12:48 PM, Not Mr. Big said: Really? There are a ton of very specific Williamsisms all throughout the cue. Like the War Horse-esque descending major chords, the Phantom Menace-esque brass writing, the woodwind resolve at the end, etc Agreed. Like I said, if it isn't Williams, it's the best Williams impersonation I've heard by a modern composer. Unlike a lot of the pastiche we hear from composers trying to emulate the JW sound, that cue sounds exactly like how Williams would've written it if he'd scored the whole film. Which is different to how Powell approached the rest of the score. He didn't impersonate Williams; he wrote a John Powell score using the musical idiom of Star Wars as his template. Those are two very different approaches. Taikomochi, Will and Not Mr. Big 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted September 29, 2018 Share Posted September 29, 2018 That woodwind ending is so Williams-esque that I expect it to segue into a Harry Potter ending cue (Han's Wonderful World??) Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CGCJ 394 Posted September 29, 2018 Share Posted September 29, 2018 Some more cues have turned up in the BMI repertoire! Spaceport [Anthony Willis] Cornellia Chase [Batu Sener] - Likely just a misspelling of Corellia, although the entry is later than the one for Enfys Nest Arrives. Adventures of Han [John Williams] - Alternate titles; Han Solo Theme, Meet Han. Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 29, 2018 Share Posted September 29, 2018 Not too much information here, but this shows what composers are credited with working on each album track: http://www.hans-zimmer.com/index.php?rub=disco&id=1630 19 minutes ago, CGCJ said: Cornellia I hear that's what they call academia over at Cornell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will 2,215 Posted September 30, 2018 Share Posted September 30, 2018 20 hours ago, Manakin Skywalker said: Not too much information here, but this shows what composers are credited with working on each album track: http://www.hans-zimmer.com/index.php?rub=disco&id=1630 Yep, that's a great resource. It was somewhat disappointing to learn that my favorite cue, "Corellia Chase," wasn't all Powell, but of course we don't really know how much Sener helped. (Although given the expansive definition of "orchestrator" these days, I have to imagine that it'd take a pretty massive contribution to credit someone with "additional music"). This was also the source that confirmed JW's direct involvement in "Dice and Roll." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CGCJ 394 Posted October 3, 2018 Share Posted October 3, 2018 More cue titles! (From ASCAP) Enfys Standoff [John Powell] Failed Heist [John Powell] Kessel Run Pt 2 - TIE Chase F [John Powell] L3 & Falcon Pt 2 [John Powell] Skype Showdown [John Powell] Dryden Yacht Duet [John Powell] Cornellia Chase [Batu Sener] The Beast [Batu Sener] Testing Dryden's Patience [Batu Sener] Enfys Nest Arrives [Batu Sener] Kessel Run Pt 2 - Maw [Batu Sener] Spaceport [Anthony Willis] Chewie Untamed Pt 1 [Anthony Willis] Lando's Closet [Anthony Willis] Savareen Tent B [Anthony Willis] Dryden Fight [Anthony Willis] Mines Pt - 1 - Heist [Paul Mounsey] Real Thing Double Cross [Paul Mounsey] OST Credits: Meet Han [John Powell/John Williams] Corellia Chase [John Powell/Batu Sener] Spaceport [John Powell/John Williams/Anthony WIllis] Flying with Chewie [John Powell/John Williams/Anthony WIllis] Train Heist [John Powell/John Williams] Marauder's Arrive [John Powell/Batu Sener/John Williams] Chicken in the Pot [John Powell] Is This Seat Taken? [John Powell/John Williams] L3 & Millennium Falcon [John Powell/John Williams] Lando's Closet [John Powell] Mine Mission [John Powell/John Williams] Breakout [John Powell] - Registered as "Breakout (Soundtrack)", so Breakout is likely the original cue title! The Good Guy [Paul Mounsey/John Powell/John Williams/Anthony WIllis] Reminiscence Therapy [John Powell/John Williams] Into the Maw [John Powell/Batu Sener] Savareen Standoff [John Powell/John Williams] Good Thing You Were Listening [John Powell] Testing Allegiance [John Powell/John Williams/Anthony WIllis] Dice & Roll [John Powell/John Williams] Will and Smaug The Iron 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Popular Post The Illustrious Jerry 3,356 Posted October 9, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted October 9, 2018 No, while many would pin Giacchino's Rogue One to have been lackluster, we must admit that his cue titles are always amusing and punny. The other day I considered what a Giacchino track list for Solo might have looked like. Here's what I came up with. 1. Introductions and Han-dshakes (Meet Han) 2. How To Chase a Speeder (Corellia Chase) 3 which was Spaceport I couldn't think of one. 4. Not A Wookiee Mistake (Flying with Chewie) 5 (Train Heist) could easily be Heist to See You but he's used that for Incredibles 6. Not Nesting Around (Marauder Arrive) 7 Chicken in the Pot is already an oddball. 8 Is This Seat Taken? I couldn't come up with one. 9. Falcon at First Sight (L3 and Millenium Falcon) 10. The Lady, the Pilot, and the Wardrobe (Lando's Closet) 11. That's Mine! (Mine Mission) 12. If Ain't Break Out Don't Fix It (Break Out) 13. A Han-dsome Guy (The Good Guy) 14 Reminiscence Therapy is already pretty clever. 15. I Want My MawMaw (Into the Maw) 16. Leaving the Nest (Savareen Stand-Off) 17. The Vos Breaks (Testing Allegiance) 18. Kicked the Beckett (Good Thing You Were Listening) 19. Beating the Cheater (Dice and Roll) Kasey Kockroach, SteveMc and Will 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,344 Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 Let's get down to business! To defeat the Han! (Come to think of it, it is interesting that Powell doesn't really go for puns) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A. A. Ron 1,742 Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 Perhaps Powell takes his work seriously? Locrius and SteveMc 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 Or has a less punny music editor. Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 I think it was established that it was Giacchino's music editor who began the pun track titles, then Giacchino ran with it. 2 hours ago, Muldoon said: Perhaps Powell takes his work seriously? Pun titles don't affect the quality of the music, and before anyone jumps in to say 'haw haw, yeah that's because Giacchino has no quality', I'll act the mature one here and say that both Giacchino and Powell delivered fantastic scores. Will and Kasey Kockroach 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 2 hours ago, Arpy said: I think it was established that it was Giacchino's music editor who began the pun track titles, then Giacchino ran with it. Which is rather unfortunate. It became tiresome quite a while ago. The novelty has surely worn off by now. Locrius 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 2 hours ago, Arpy said: Pun titles don't affect the quality of the music, and before anyone jumps in to say 'haw haw, yeah that's because Giacchino has no quality' Let's just say the puns and the (lack of) musical depth go hand in hand. A. A. Ron and Locrius 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Locrius 97 Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 On 10/8/2018 at 4:15 PM, Will said: Hands down one of my favorite moments in the score! Really stood out to me on my first viewing; I was disappointed to realize later that night that it wasn't included on the album, but thankfully "Lando's Closet" still helped satisfy my craving for the theme. Still, though, I love how the strings swell at the beginning of this appearance of it. Will and Bofur01 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 22 minutes ago, publicist said: Let's just say the puns and the (lack of) musical depth go hand in hand. Lack of musical depth haha, who am I kidding, I'm on JWFan... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Parker 3,040 Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 12 minutes ago, Arpy said: Lack of musical depth haha, who am I kidding, I'm on JWFan... Even if I was a fan of Michael Giacchino, I dont think I'd consider him a particularly deep or nuanced composer, generally. ocelot and Locrius 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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