Popular Post TownerFan 4,983 Posted May 25, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted May 25, 2018 Did anyone else catch the cameo of EpIV Imperial motif in "Train Heist"? Nice touch, imho: Also, nice cameos/lifts of two not-so obvious moments from ANH ("Blasting Off") and TESB ("Attack Position") in the cue "Reminscence Therapy": I also liked a lot the Holst-like harmonic texture in the strings in a couple of action moments, a nice throwback to Williams' Planets pastiche for the original film: The Illustrious Jerry, igger6, Arpy and 5 others 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Sharkissimo 1,973 Posted May 25, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted May 25, 2018 3 hours ago, leeallen01 said: - 25% Original Powell music. Made up of some nice soft melodies, rippoffs from Williams Sith male choir, Giacchino's John Carter Choir, and Horner's Avatar Choir. Horner didn't patent the usage of the Bulgarian Women's Choir and neither did Williams with overtone singing. All of these much more prevalent in contemporary film scoring than you seem to believe. Bilbo, MikeH, Breadstick Basilisk and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 2,835 Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 I really really like Reminiscence Therapy. igger6 and The Illustrious Jerry 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taikomochi 1,136 Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 Reminiscence Therapy is awesome, but I find the transition at 0:28 between the ANH and ESB material extremely jarring and awkward. Not sure why they thought that was acceptable. Sounds like a classic, terrible JW album edit, but I assume it’s not actually an edit but the way the music was performed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 I never thought I'd like a choir rendition of the Star Wars main title theme but John Powell made it work! DarthDementous and Smaug The Iron 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Sharkissimo 1,973 Posted May 25, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted May 25, 2018 6 hours ago, Jack said: Why do some of Powell's harmonic cadences just sound... wrong? Can anyone explain what the fuck 1:30 [cadence at 1:35] in Flying with Chewie is? It sounds fine to me, and the voiceleading checks out. In Am: 6 V6/iv iv6 It6 Vsus (implied) V (implied) -> 6 iv VII6 i F A/C# Dm/F F7(no5) Esus (implied) E (octaves) -> F Dm G/B Am [Secondary Dominant] [Italian Sixth] [Deceptive Half-Cadence] [Subtonic Cadence] You've got a deceptive half-cadence that resolves to the submediant (or an elided deceptive cadence), and an octave unison on the dominant (although the string figuration and harp glissando sort of 'fill in' the missing harmony). Beyond that, there's nothing particularly radical here in its phrasal structure or harmonic syntax, and you can find considerably more daring in many of Williams' cadences (see Frank Lehman's genus of chromatically modulating cadential resolutions). Loert, Ludwig and MikeH 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post MikeH 768 Posted May 25, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted May 25, 2018 4 hours ago, Holko said: On the Here They Come with percussion - maybe I'm just young, or have no taste, or haven't listened to any RCP scores so I can't be tired of it, but I like it. It adds a different texture to it, a different flavour that makes it a bit more fresh instead of another straight-up rehash (I loved it in Battle of Crait, but this is way too close to it in time). This is not Episode IX, people, this is just a spinoff. I've no problem with it moving away from the Williams sound a bit here and there. It still does it enough that it feels like the same universe. Exactly. There are some members here that think Williams is closed minded and hates percussion grooves and anything modern. No. It might not be his own personal style, but I have a strong feeling that Williams is much happier hearing a skilled and musical composer being true to his own compositional voice over one who’s just trying to ape him. A. A. Ron, Not Mr. Big and DarthDementous 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muad'Dib 1,802 Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 The begging of Train Heist absolutely transports me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 I love the 'marching band-esque' percussion for Here they Come, a welcome little sprinkle of change from Powell! Flying with Chewie is sublime, Powell letting his hair down and just doing what he does! Smaug The Iron 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DominicCobb 194 Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 7 hours ago, Chen G. said: Stuff like Battle of Crait would probably be the result of temp-track emulation because it has no bearing on this fiilm. But we knew going in that the Asteroid Field was going to be a thing: was it used anywhere near asteroids, though? The obvious Asteroid Field melody is used briefly during, yes, a bit with asteroids, but other parts of the cue are used too (as well as maybe “Attacking a Star Destroyer” if I remember correctly?). It’s all during one big action set piece sequence which make me think there was some temp music editing involved. Interested what other people heard and if this stuff is on the OST. Chen G. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,344 Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 It's kind of a shame for the latter that the one objective difference is that Powell's score is a MUCH better recording than Giacchino's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muad'Dib 1,802 Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 I kept thinking what did the descending phrase of Lando's Closet reminded me of and I remembered! It's Stravinsky's Firebird. Particularly when the horn plays it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,344 Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 Man, four threads for this thing...I keep struggling to remember which conversation was where! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 Yes! The Moderators have lost control. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,344 Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 They will pay the price for their lack of vision! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Illustrious Jerry 3,356 Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 Okay so I'm streaming the score right now. The Adventures of Han is great. It's adventurous. It's another great Williams composition. I can here that part I love from The Battle of Crait in there. I'm overjoyed for that to be expanded on!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeH 768 Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 I really wish they included the small quote from a previous score that accompanies you-know-what. That was great! igger6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Illustrious Jerry 3,356 Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 Ooooh. That quote of the Imperial theme from SW '77 at 3:36 in Train Heist is great! Marauders Arrive is splendid!!! Can we confirm it's the gang theme? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,344 Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 4 minutes ago, MikeH said: I really wish they included the small quote from a previous score that accompanies you-know-what. That was great! It feels like the equivalent of Vader's theme making a cameo in TFA not appearing on the album. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Illustrious Jerry 3,356 Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 Dice and Roll has some nice percussion. Then the lead in to the Rebel fanfare. EPIC! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luka 242 Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 11 minutes ago, MikeH said: I really wish they included the small quote from a previous score that accompanies you-know-what. That was great! Fuuuuu* Why did I read this? haha It probably confirms a theory I heard online x) Anyways I'll see it in a couple hours haha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Illustrious Jerry 3,356 Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 Chicken in the Pot is the best track on the album . MikeH and Luka 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,344 Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 It at least has the best track title. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Illustrious Jerry 3,356 Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 Reminiscence Therapy actually tho! My life is complete! Awesome Rebel Fanfare (but with the amount of use of it in Solo I think my thought of it also being for the Falcon makes a lot of sense), awesome Here They Come variation, the Asteroid Field , Chewie's theme, then The Adventures of Han usage. Then the use of that awesome Battle of Crait hurried strings, more Rebel Fanfare, even the SW Main Theme a little. I mean THIS REALLY IS Reminiscence Therapy!!! Ohmigosh, Ohmigosh, Ohmigosh!!!! igger6 and Will 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A. A. Ron 1,742 Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 7 hours ago, leeallen01 said: Powell's had his turn. I say a new composer for each spinoff. JNH for Kenobi, as he was the first choice of the filmmakers and Williams for Solo but couldn't do it. Much as I love this and Powell in general, I'm totally down for a JNH Star Wars! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Ollie 1,059 Posted May 25, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted May 25, 2018 7 hours ago, JTWfan77 said: Very disappointing. I had high hopes for this but those f'ing percussion loops are completely inapproriate for SW. And on Here They Come, no less! Really JP? Did JW honestly give this score his stamp of approval (but not Giacchino's)? As a score it's fine, just not for SW. I'll stick with Rogue One, thanks. Let the eye-rolling commence. I agree, not really impressed. Reminiscence Therapy is a jarring listen and sounds like a greatest hits cue. The “Hear we come” section isn’t very good. It it jumps back and forth between Powell’s style and Williams. The Solo theme is ok but pales in comparison to Rey’s. Im in the Rogue One camp, much better score. Smaug The Iron, 1977, Luka and 1 other 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Sharkissimo 1,973 Posted May 25, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted May 25, 2018 1 hour ago, MikeH said: Exactly. There are some members here that think Williams is closed minded and hates percussion grooves and anything modern. I know, right? "What are those awful RCP drums doing in a period score?!! Has Williams lost his mind?" Fucking reactionary idiots. Loert, BLUMENKOHL, Brónach and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,012 Posted May 25, 2018 Author Share Posted May 25, 2018 Just now, Sharky said: I know, right? Fucking reactionary idiots. I was thinking that! Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post A. A. Ron 1,742 Posted May 25, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted May 25, 2018 It's like TFA all over again -- You lot are smoking God knows what and I'm just sitting over here enjoying the hell out of a new score. mrbellamy, Kasey Kockroach, igger6 and 3 others 3 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 4,892 Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 2 hours ago, Disco Stu said: Well @Breadstick Basilisk I jinxed myself. For the first time that I can remember I've had a preordered soundtrack CD delayed from Amazon. Just got an email. I'm not seeing the movie until Sunday and I'm still going to wait to listen to even a note of the score until I get the CD, which might be Monday now. I'm a patient man. I actually cancelled my order yesterday morning once I realized it hadn't shipped yet. I figured it would be faster to just take a 5 minute drive to Walmart than wait another week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post mrbellamy 6,287 Posted May 25, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted May 25, 2018 5 hours ago, leeallen01 said: I find myself saying "ooo lovely melody" in pieces like "Good Guy" thinking I'll hear a lovely long piece of Powell's new love theme, and then again it goes back to Williams Han theme. Powell didn't seem to have the confidence to let his stuff shine. He has some great ideas and really nice melodies that last for 5 seconds and then he quickly goes back to Williams like he's insecure to own the score himself. I wish he did it all alone. I think this is a weird and bifurcated way to look at it, like there's Powell's stuff and then any use of the Williams theme at all is just lip service and ass kissing. The whole point is that it's the theme for the main character. "The Good Guy" is a typical film score cue that passes through a handful of themes in a few minutes. The Williams is in there as fleetingly as any of the others. I don't see how that's so intrusive to you. Sharkissimo, A. A. Ron and MikeH 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 1 minute ago, Manakin Skywalker said: I actually cancelled my order yesterday morning once I realized it hadn't shipped yet. I figured it would be faster to just take a 5 minute drive to Walmart than wait another week. The shipping notices can be weird from Amazon sometimes. I've definitely gotten shipping notices from them on the day the order arrives before 1 minute ago, mrbellamy said: I think this is a weird and bifurcated way to look at it, like there's Powell's stuff and then any use of the Williams theme at all is just lip service and ass kissing. The whole point is that it's the theme for the main character. "The Good Guy" is a typical film score cue that passes through a handful of themes in a few minutes. The Williams is in there as fleetingly as any of the others. I don't see how that's so intrusive to you. People get so hung up on whose melodies are whose and I'm like, "It's how you use them!" Some of the best compositions in music history are composers working with melodies they didn't write. Sharkissimo and DarthDementous 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,302 Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 This is so good it makes me angry. Kasey Kockroach 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,344 Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 17 minutes ago, Brónach said: This is so good it makes me angry. Why so, I ask curiously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,012 Posted May 25, 2018 Author Share Posted May 25, 2018 Having almost finished the album, it is quite comprehensive but still missing some interesting bits. WWII-like statements of The Imperial March early on in the film and the source music version of it as well. Think we need a promo of some sort already. Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,344 Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 I get the impression it's at least not missing quite as much as other Star Wars OSTs lately, but that's just from what I'm reading. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,012 Posted May 25, 2018 Author Share Posted May 25, 2018 Think it features most of the major beats, definitely. But I think it could use a few more quieter cues to balance out all the steroid-fuelled action. I mean, it's quite loud. Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,344 Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 Agreed. I love that stuff, but can understand it'd exhaust others. But, you know, had to make room for the Williams demo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post mrbellamy 6,287 Posted May 25, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted May 25, 2018 11 minutes ago, Disco Stu said: People get so hung up on whose melodies are whose and I'm like, "It's how you use them!" Some of the best compositions in music history are composers working with melodies they didn't write. I knew this was going to be a problem around here and I myself was worried the Williams stuff was not going to gel, but now that I've listened to it I'm kinda baffled that people have any issues with that side of it. It's funny that people are saying "He doesn't go 5 seconds without the theme!" because I found surprisingly long stretches without it, or just a very brief reference. Powell indulges in his own material plenty. The Williams theme is not given any unique treatment other than there's just more of it, all the new themes get their big versions and token nods alike. It's really just used like any main theme of any score. A track like "Mine Mission" is fairly emblematic of my listening experience where you get 2 straight minutes of the new militaristic material, and then a sweeping version of Chewbacca's theme for 30 seconds, and then Han's theme shows up for 5 bloody seconds to function as a transition back into the military material and somehow the thinking is that John Williams is interrupting a perfectly nice track and Powell is insecure... MikeH, Sharkissimo, Not Mr. Big and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breadstick Basilisk 108 Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 3 hours ago, Disco Stu said: Well @Breadstick Basilisk I jinxed myself. For the first time that I can remember I've had a preordered soundtrack CD delayed from Amazon. Just got an email. I'm not seeing the movie until Sunday and I'm still going to wait to listen to even a note of the score until I get the CD, which might be Monday now. I'm a patient man. Sorry to hear! I think I'm going to reserve an in-store pick-up at a local Barnes & Noble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkissimo 1,973 Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 59 minutes ago, Disco Stu said: People get so hung up on whose melodies are whose and I'm like, "It's how you use them!" Some of the best compositions in music history are composers working with melodies they didn't write. It's the Chris Clemmensen Cult of the Melody. Film music fans who place an unreasonably high premium on hummable thematic material (and by extension its author/s) at the expense of other considerations, like texture/orchestration, harmony, diegetic role, rhythm, form, development of said thematic material. Talking about variations development, I love this little motive that Powell derives from Williams's Searching Theme. He takes its characteristic semitonal trill figure, and then sets its standard A minor harmony through David Lewin's SLIDE operation, arriving on an uncanny Ab major. In a SLIDE, the fifth (A-E) literally 'slides' down a semitone to Ab-Eb, while the third (C) is sustained. It's a distinctly un-Williams device (I associate it more with composers like Horner, JNH, Goldenthal and Zimmer) but it's a welcome (and perhaps overdue) addition to Star Wars' harmonic landscape. Another occurrence slightly later in the same cue: Am - F/A - F#m Brónach and Dixon Hill 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,287 Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 Yeah! I didn't realize until today that that was derived from the Searching theme, and the low strings playing the Hero theme. I didn't really pick up on it in the album but found it surprisingly distinctive and moody in the film, cool example of the Powell/Williams hybrid and Powell not being too precious about the theme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludwig 1,120 Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 2 hours ago, Sharky said: It sounds fine to me, and the voiceleading checks out. In Am: 6 V6/iv iv6 It6 Vsus (implied) V (implied) -> 6 iv VII6 i F A/C# Dm/F F7(no5) Esus (implied) E (octaves) -> F Dm G/B Am [Secondary Dominant] [Italian Sixth] [Deceptive Half-Cadence] [Subtonic Cadence] You've got a deceptive half-cadence that resolves to the submediant (or an elided deceptive cadence), and an octave unison on the dominant (although the string figuration and harp glissando sort of 'fill in' the missing harmony). Beyond that, there's nothing particularly radical here in its phrasal structure or harmonic syntax, and you can find considerably more daring in many of Williams' cadences (see Frank Lehman's genus of chromatically modulating cadential resolutions). I agree. It's also more "classical" a progression than Williams usually writes, one that, after the first chord, follows a typical pathway for harmonizing a lament bass (stepwise down from the tonic to dominant note). Haven't seen the film yet, but makes me think there's some kind of imminent threat (represented by the lament bass) Han maneuvers out of (represented by the triumphant entry of his hero theme. Sharkissimo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 Ye gods, Corellia Chase is astoundingly good. Effortless. MikeH 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Illustrious Jerry 3,356 Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 1 hour ago, Manakin Skywalker said: I actually cancelled my order yesterday morning once I realized it hadn't shipped yet. I figured it would be faster to just take a 5 minute drive to Walmart than wait another week. I can't seem to find a site where it says it's available in store. Anyone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,344 Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 I love that since I don't remember most Star Wars themes, Reminiscence Therapy doesn't mean anything to me other than another great track! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 That wonderful lyrical - and again, effortless - stuff in Flying With Chewie starting at 2:11 is the best film music I've heard in a while. You can hear his MV heritage in that great harmonic motion and interesting bass. Beautiful, moving stuff. No idea what it might be scoring - it probably doesn't live up to the music. MikeH 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,344 Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 It's for Han and Chewie shooting the breeze after a narrow escape. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 You know what, that could actually be a great moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,344 Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 Chewie was by far my favorite part of the movie, both the character himself and his theme. The Illustrious Jerry 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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