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James Newton Howard's WATERWORLD - NEW La-la Land 2CD Complete Edition!

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Mike Matessino co-produced and mastered Waterworld, but this was Dan Goldwasser's baby.  He co-produced and edited it - and did the artwork.

 

I opened mine up yesterday and have listened to most of it on work commutes.  Glanced through the liner notes and read Goldwasser's note - pretty neat that he got demos from JNH's personal archive!  I wonder if the "Three On Deck" demo would line up with the Extended Cut of the film.  I look forward to reading Grieving's main notes soon!

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Yup!  I finished listening this morning, it all sounds fantastic!  The demos are an interesting curiosity but not something I'll listen to over and over again, same with the alternates.  The session speech is nice, especially since its both JNH and Costner talking.


Grieving's liner notes are good, too!  They don't really study the score, but cover the production of the film and some aspects of how the score came to be.  I never would have known that the sample libraries used to make the demo and color some of the cues was a gift from Zimmer, that was neat.

 

Overall, a truly awesome release, one of the very best of 2017!

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On ‎9‎/‎19‎/‎2017 at 8:03 AM, Jay said:

Mike Matessino co-produced and mastered Waterworld, but this was Dan Goldwasser's baby.  He co-produced and edited it - and did the artwork.

Well, then props to him! Simply a fantastic piece of work from all who were involved.

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On 9/8/2017 at 2:35 AM, Richard Penna said:

Same - I love the highlights of this - Swimming, some great action material, and some awesome usage of his main themes, but overall even the OST feels overlong to me. I don't know why - the rest of it doesn't do much for me.

 

On 8/17/2017 at 5:20 PM, Thor said:

I have no comment on this particular release (that isn't already known to everyone).

 

However, I would use this opportunity to chime in and say that WATERWORLD is not only my favourite JNH, it's in my list of alltime Top 10 scores! I also belong to the few who actually like the film, and have done so ever since I saw it in the cinema (as opposed to most of my fellow critics).

 

The sound quality of the OST seems OK to me, and it does contain its fair share of mediocre cues, so is there any really good reason to obtain the extended release?

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I dont' find that the OST has a lot of 'mediocre' cues. There is a little bit of filler here and there -- between the surprisingly many highlight cues -- but so do almost all soundtracks. I find it to be one of the few long-running albums to sustain a 70-minute running time. Pretty much perfect, in my eyes. So obviously, I would not recommend "meddling" with perfection by getting either an abbreviated or extended release. :)

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On 1/8/2018 at 11:22 AM, Thor said:

I dont' find that the OST has a lot of 'mediocre' cues. There is a little bit of filler here and there -- between the surprisingly many highlight cues -- but so do almost all soundtracks. I find it to be one of the few long-running albums to sustain a 70-minute running time. Pretty much perfect, in my eyes. So obviously, I would not recommend "meddling" with perfection by getting either an abbreviated or extended release. :)

 

I would love to read your review of Waterworld, though. But to make it relevant, you have to review the expanded edition. :)

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On 1/8/2018 at 10:22 AM, Thor said:

I dont' find that the OST has a lot of 'mediocre' cues. There is a little bit of filler here and there -- between the surprisingly many highlight cues -- but so do almost all soundtracks. I find it to be one of the few long-running albums to sustain a 70-minute running time. Pretty much perfect, in my eyes. So obviously, I would not recommend "meddling" with perfection by getting either an abbreviated or extended release. :)

 

My playlist is 40 minutes and has what I consider the highlights. Thing is, the more action material you've got, the more unique the individual compositions need to be, and I don't feel they are in this score.

 

I discovered this score way back during my soundtrack infancy, and Swimming in particular made a huge impression on me. I always have images in my head when listening to scores (it's largely how I judge how good they are - if it doesn't conjure an image, it's probably not for me) and this cue and others from the score were really vivid and inspiring in their imagery.

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5 hours ago, Jurassic Shark said:

 

I would love to read your review of Waterworld, though. But to make it relevant, you have to review the expanded edition. :)

 

You wish! ;)

 

I "mini-review" it in my very first episode of Celluloid Tunes, which is about my top 10 favourite soundtracks of all time (but don't listen to that -- it's slow, sluggish, poor sound quality and whimsical!). I also briefly touch on the score in my interview with JNH a few years ago.

 

But yeah -- would be nice to review it, to get all the thoughts sorted in one place. The original soundtrack, of course.

 

I've also been an avid defender of the movie, ever since I saw it in the theatre.

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As a compromise, you could do a comparison between the extended edition and the OST. That gives you the opportunity to bash the extended. :)

 

I'm guessing you also like Kamen's Robin Hood. It's great to hear it's being released in expanded form! That's a score which definitely should have been better presented on the OST.

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Love Kamen's ROBIN HOOD. One of my favourites of his, and acquired on CD around the same time as WATERWORLD (actually a bit earlier). I've deliberately not commented on the recent expansion (for obvious reasons), but if there is one thing lacking a bit from the OST, it's the sound quality....and those weird fade-ins and fade-outs of certain tracks. Wouldn't mind to have those fixed, at the very least.

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36 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said:

Btw, what do you think about the Back to the Future complete edition? That surely is an improvement over the OST. :)

 

Partially, yes. Love the movie, and love the score IN the movie, but on album, I much rather prefer the straight-up western score for 3. The suites on the OST really capture the essence of the score. There is a lot of "start" and "stop" in that music, if that makes sense. That being said, I've always wanted to try and make a playlist of the OST suites, with a few added cues from the expansion, to see if that would result in a good listening experience.

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I agree that the complete score to the first is a tad disappointing on album, but at least we get more of Silvestri's music than on the OST, which to me didn't have enough of it. The third entry definitely is the most satisfying of the three scores. I don't own any edition of the third, and I'm debating with myself whether the expanded is worth buying.

 

Looking forward to your playlist. You could make a podcast out of it! :)

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